[quote]GetSwole wrote:
orion wrote:
better guns than Texas.
Your guns haven’t proved that successful so far in world history.
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Fuck you,
Glock and the STG 77!
I admittedly like Glocks.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I admittedly like Glocks.[/quote]
You´d love the STG 77.
Its is easy to take apart and clean, does not jam, rarely overheats, can be modified with all kinds of weird gadgets and is used by the US coast guard.
Weighs very little.
Glock. Australian for Ghey.
maybe i’m late on this one, and missed it. but when cattle are fed grain, they are also fed a lot of other crap (literally). Taken from Fast Food Nation as well as Gourmet Nutrition, typical cattle are fed (concrete dust, newspaper, chicken crap, etc).
to me, I’d rather that be of much more concern than grass verse grain, though I’d still prefer grass any day.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
maybe i’m late on this one, and missed it. but when cattle are fed grain, they are also fed a lot of other crap (literally). Taken from Fast Food Nation as well as Gourmet Nutrition, typical cattle are fed (concrete dust, newspaper, chicken crap, etc).
to me, I’d rather that be of much more concern than grass verse grain, though I’d still prefer grass any day.[/quote]
Well, where do you think mad cow disease came from? Cows got it when they were fed meat from other cattle…last time I checked cows were herbivores. I’ve heard they’ve even mixed garbage into the feed. It’s pretty disgusting.
That’s why I’m a fan of buying your beef locally. Particularly, if there’s some transparency there and you can see how the animals are being treated. Basically, find farmers that aren’t taking part in all the bad practices that are out there.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
maybe i’m late on this one, and missed it. but when cattle are fed grain, they are also fed a lot of other crap (literally). Taken from Fast Food Nation as well as Gourmet Nutrition, typical cattle are fed (concrete dust, newspaper, chicken crap, etc).
to me, I’d rather that be of much more concern than grass verse grain, though I’d still prefer grass any day.[/quote]
Don’t base your opinion on what you see in a biased documentary. Cattle can be fed grain their entire lives without getting any of these extras. The meat from these animals will never have the nutritional profile of a purely grass-fed animal, but that does not mean grain-fed cattle don’t have their place.
Anyways, who cares about cattle? Go get yourself a grass-fed buffalo steak.
Where the hell do you get Buffalo steak?
Off of a buffalo.
Seriously, your local butcher should have it. Call around. You can typically find ground buffalo at the grocery store. I get mine from the family farm.
i just bought some buffalo meat at whole foods 1 lb for 6 bucks, not too bad
[quote]Digity wrote:
Well, where do you think mad cow disease came from? Cows got it when they were fed meat from other cattle…last time I checked cows were herbivores. I’ve heard they’ve even mixed garbage into the feed. It’s pretty disgusting.[/quote]
You have “heard” this, huh? And you wonder why I called that book you were touting propaganda? I challenge you to go to a feed lot and find “garbage” being fed. You won’t find any.
Name the last documented case of Mad Cow disease in the U.S. - just a date will suffice.
It is tree hugging vegan bullshit like this that turns me against grass fed beef. If you have a product worth buying, it will sell. Using baseless accusations and fear mongering will not make the meat any more tasty.
You are the type of customer that they love to see coming. trust me - I could feed my cattle pure dog shit, tell you it was organic, and you would never know the difference.
I don’t care if you believe all the tree hugging bullshit you have been fed, but please offer some proof with your charges beyond, “I even heard that they…”.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Digity wrote:
Well, where do you think mad cow disease came from? Cows got it when they were fed meat from other cattle…last time I checked cows were herbivores. I’ve heard they’ve even mixed garbage into the feed. It’s pretty disgusting.
You have “heard” this, huh? And you wonder why I called that book you were touting propaganda? I challenge you to go to a feed lot and find “garbage” being fed. You won’t find any.
Name the last documented case of Mad Cow disease in the U.S. - just a date will suffice.
It is tree hugging vegan bullshit like this that turns me against grass fed beef. If you have a product worth buying, it will sell. Using baseless accusations and fear mongering will not make the meat any more tasty.
That’s why I’m a fan of buying your beef locally. Particularly, if there’s some transparency there and you can see how the animals are being treated. Basically, find farmers that aren’t taking part in all the bad practices that are out there.
You are the type of customer that they love to see coming. trust me - I could feed my cattle pure dog shit, tell you it was organic, and you would never know the difference.
I don’t care if you believe all the tree hugging bullshit you have been fed, but please offer some proof with your charges beyond, “I even heard that they…”.
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Okay, I realize there is a lot of misinformation out there, and a lot of reactionary types who are using fearmongering, etc.
But, you can’t write off the grass-fed beef industry as tree hugging vegan bullshit. There is a whole industry comprised of ranchers and graziers who practice rotational or management-intensive grazing techniques (or whatever you want to call it). There are several trade magazines (like the Stockman Grass Farmer) and conferences going on all over the place all the time. And you certainly can’t accuse most of these guys of being left-wing tree-huggers. Most of them are ranchers who realize it would be impossible to try to profitably raise beef in the conventional way, and so they choose instead a low-input pasture-based system.
Look at guys like Alan Nation and Joel Salatin. They are small-government anti-environmental protection kind of guys, and yet they still embrace grass-based beef because it makes sense as an AGRICULTURAL system, and as a sustainable business system. Relying on fossil fuels from the fertilizer all the way up to shipping the cattle to the feedlot is not economically sustainable, especially with oil prices only going up. The fact is, conventional livestock farming requires heavy machinery and lots of debt. It’s just not a viable business model for the vast majority of farmers.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Off of a buffalo.
Seriously, your local butcher should have it. Call around. You can typically find ground buffalo at the grocery store. I get mine from the family farm.[/quote]
I see. I didn’t realize it was easily available a la Whole Foods. My steak of choice is usually a nice sized ribeye char-grilled on top of mesquite, but I’d like to try that out.
Regarding the grass-fed fad, there is a local farmer nearby who sells individual cows as “grass-fed” that you can have processed, but his cattle will only graze a month or so before slaughter. But, they eat grass so they’re grass-fed cattle, and I know a couple of people that plunk down a pretty penny to have one of the smaller animals processed. The cuts are small, not like what you get at the butcher, but like what the Swann’s man sells. Granted, it’s just one local farm, but chances are it’s a common practice since there are suckers everywhere who’ll pay out the ass for it.
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
But, you can’t write off the grass-fed beef industry as tree hugging vegan bullshit.[/quote]
I can’t, because the statement above is an oxymoron. Vegans don’t touch meat, even grass-fed. Just saying.
Without reading the whole thread, I’ll just say that, yes, I go out of my way to buy grass-fed beef. It makes me sick how farming the way we used to before the Vietnam War, like feeding our livestock grass, is now too cost-prohibitive compared to spending millions of dollars on research on cheap feeds and growth hormones to produce more meat cheaper.
[quote]swordthrower wrote:
But, you can’t write off the grass-fed beef industry as tree hugging vegan bullshit. There is a whole industry comprised of ranchers and graziers who practice rotational or management-intensive grazing techniques (or whatever you want to call it). There are several trade magazines (like the Stockman Grass Farmer) and conferences going on all over the place all the time. And you certainly can’t accuse most of these guys of being left-wing tree-huggers. Most of them are ranchers who realize it would be impossible to try to profitably raise beef in the conventional way, and so they choose instead a low-input pasture-based system.[/quote]
You mis-understand. I never said I thought the whole movement was tree-hugger based. I did say that the propaganda the kid was throwing out, was not fact, but propaganda.
Personally, I think 100% grass fed beef is an inferior product. Instead of the two extremes, there has to be a place in the center where people who like flavorful, well marbled beef and those that are looking for the proper lipid profile can meet.
But I am willing to bet that 100% of those grass farmers have a sack of cake somewhere in their barn, or in their range cube feeder.
This is a matter of opinion. Not fact. But it is not propaganda.
We may be on the thresh hold of a new way of doing things, but the feedlot industry was not created as a means to waste money, or resources. At the time, and to a large degree even now, it is the most cost efficient way to put a pound of beef on a bovine frame.
Here are my problems with most of the Grass-Fed folks on this site:
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They read some propagandized book that tells them that cattle are being fed dead babies, and concrete. And it is believed as fact.
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There is no national standard for what qualifies as grass fed and most everyone believes the label without question.
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Unscrupulous marketers come up with cool new labels such as “vegetarian beef” to fool people looking for healthy alternatives to traditional grain fed beef. Once again - believed without question.
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The grass fed market is not efficient enough for it to be viable beyond that of a niche market product. This is bad for commercial producers - as there is little choice for said producer on how to get his crop to market, and the uninformed t-nationer wants to blame the little guy.
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
But, you can’t write off the grass-fed beef industry as tree hugging vegan bullshit.
I can’t, because the statement above is an oxymoron. Vegans don’t touch meat, even grass-fed. Just saying.
Without reading the whole thread, I’ll just say that, yes, I go out of my way to buy grass-fed beef. It makes me sick how farming the way we used to before the Vietnam War, like feeding our livestock grass, is now too cost-prohibitive compared to spending millions of dollars on research on cheap feeds and growth hormones to produce more meat cheaper.[/quote]
Farming in the 50-60’s was far more reliant on much harsher chemicals than we use today. Google Diethyl Stilbestrol in beef cattle.
there was an article in the Washing Post about how they aren’t allowed to use sick cows that cant’ stand for meat purposes.
So, some of the “farmers” would poke the cows in the eyes with pencils or knives in order to get them up to get them standing to go to the slaughter house.
anyone else, find this utterly disgusting?
to quote someone at work “we humans are a horrible species” lol
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there was an article in the Washing Post about how they aren’t allowed to use sick cows that cant’ stand for meat purposes.
So, some of the “farmers” would poke the cows in the eyes with pencils or knives in order to get them up to get them standing to go to the slaughter house.
anyone else, find this utterly disgusting?
to quote someone at work “we humans are a horrible species” lol[/quote]
This is not completely true. If a cow can’t walk, he is left behind as a “railer”. Once it can be gotten up, it is sold as a canner. Not human food, but for dog food, cat food, etc.
The producer is not in the business of raising pets. He is not in the business of being cruel, either. If you had a business making widgets - would you intentionally go in the warehouse and piss on them?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
there was an article in the Washing Post about how they aren’t allowed to use sick cows that cant’ stand for meat purposes.
So, some of the “farmers” would poke the cows in the eyes with pencils or knives in order to get them up to get them standing to go to the slaughter house.
anyone else, find this utterly disgusting?
to quote someone at work “we humans are a horrible species” lol
The producer is not in the business of raising pets. He is not in the business of being cruel, either. If you had a business making widgets - would you intentionally go in the warehouse and piss on them? [/quote]
what? lol
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
there was an article in the Washing Post about how they aren’t allowed to use sick cows that cant’ stand for meat purposes.
So, some of the “farmers” would poke the cows in the eyes with pencils or knives in order to get them up to get them standing to go to the slaughter house.
anyone else, find this utterly disgusting?
to quote someone at work “we humans are a horrible species” lol
This is not completely true. If a cow can’t walk, he is left behind as a “railer”. Once it can be gotten up, it is sold as a canner. Not human food, but for dog food, cat food, etc.
The producer is not in the business of raising pets. He is not in the business of being cruel, either. If you had a business making widgets - would you intentionally go in the warehouse and piss on them?
what? lol[/quote]
Calrify your question.