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Sunday 7/9/17

Open garage gym Sunday morning at the four-stripe brown belt’s house. Me and two other white belts showed up, both of whom were beginner lifters.

Lifting 60 min

Nothing serious, I just fucked around with some front squats and super light deadlifts. The guy just has bumper plates, a rack and a platform, which is actually a pretty decent little setup. Everything was in kilos, so I worked up to what felt like a heavy front squat single. Must’ve been a bit over 300 lbs. Haven’t done these in a while, so I just had a little fun. Then I did some super light speed pulls while the older fella worked up to a heavy (for him) single.

BJJ 90 min

We worked on some standing drills, I forget what they were called. Then we did some guard passing drills which I found very helpful. We got a lot of rolls in. I tapped the white belt with an Americana, but he gave me a lot of new problems to work with. I did more flow rolling with the brown belt, which was a great opportunity to work on technique against a very skilled opponent.

Everyone was super chill and fun to bang around with. Great Sunday morning. 83 and sunny, time to find some water!

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Hi @twojarslave !

Was just browsing this thread and saw that you do BJJ. Smooth stuff looks like. There’s a place called “Soma JJ” that teaches it located next door to my gym. I’ve thought about trying it out but haven’t gotten around to it. I have a background in TKD and Tang Soo do, with some kung-fu when I was young, plus military hand-to-hand stuff.

The thing about the “arts” for me is that I refuse to actually fight nowadays - I’ll survive any way necessary, up to and including a jacketed hollow point.

Question I have for you is, what do you like best about BJJ training? Is it the pitting of your skills against another, or the actual workouts involved in the classes?

Best Wishes!

@s_afsoc Hey dude thanks for stopping in. I’d be happy to answer your question, but keep in mind that I’m speaking as a 37 year-old, no-stripe white belt with about 3 months of consistent training on the mats. Perhaps that’s the perspective you are looking for, so I’ll gladly share it with you.

Me too. I’ve been a licensed CC for quite some time, even though you don’t need a license where I live anymore. I’m not interested in fucking around with a street fight if I’m simply going about my business, which is what I do since I don’t go around starting shit with anyone. My first course of action is to get away, and if I can’t do that and someone still doesn’t want to leave me alone, I’m not fucking around at that point. If lethal force deterrent fails, well, I can always go for the Americana or the Rear Naked Choke I suppose.

My interest began with hating treadmills, ellipticals and other cardio type of equipment and cardio type of workouts, despite my clear need to do more of that stuff. A few of my buddies kept telling me how great BJJ is and what a workout you get, so I finally decided to get off of my ass and try it. Turns out they were right, it is a fantastic workout.

I also have a professional interest, and it is definitely beneficial for me as a part-time backup dive bar bouncer. I don’t often tangle there, but things can sometimes get chippy. It is just a side job, but I really like it and learning how to subdue people without injuring them could definitely be useful in certain situations. I’m not that good yet, so ask me in a year or two how that goes.

As I become more proficient my interest is becoming much deeper. The thrill of competition is part of it, and I like that I have people who are willing to go full-force rolling every night I train. Or not, if I am injured or just want to work on technique. That’s where “flow rolling” comes in. Now that I’m getting some draws and tapping people occasionally instead of getting quickly mauled by everyone, it feels pretty sweet to put this stuff together. It is a very visceral experience if you spend your days in an office setting like me.

I’m also getting in much better condition for doing BJJ, which just means I can roll more and roll better. Still LOTS of room to improve here too.

I’m generally much more relaxed. I was always relaxed, but even more so now. This seems common. Everyone I’ve met in BJJ circles has been super chill. Lots of stoners (also legal here).

I’m also becoming fascinated with the depth and complexity of the art. BJJ is sort of the science of ground fighting. It is step-by-step instructions for what to do in a grappling match. The art seems to come in with a person’s ability to apply the techniques under stress and under dynamic conditions. Different partners present different challenges and different opportunities, and no two grappling matches are the same.

You don’t get someone in an armbar by accident. You either create the opportunity OR you recognize it when the other person presents it to you. Either way, it won’t be the same as drilling it because the other person is trying to stop you. You must combine your skill, your creativity, your patience, and let’s face it, your GRIT to pull one off. The same goes for any technique. And no matter how good you get, there is going to be someone better than you. With any luck, you’ll always have those people around to roll with and show you how to improve.

The artistry of an advanced BJJ grappler is amazing to watch once you start to understand what’s going on. The brown belt I trained with over the weekend might as well have been a Jedi to me, totally unstoppable. His combination of strength, technique and fluid movement was simply brilliant, and the realization that it has taken him 10 years to get to this level makes it all the more impressive. The notion that his instructor, who has been doing BJJ for 25 years, can do the same thing to him that the brown belt did to me just blows my mind.

You also grow together as a group. The move that worked this week probably won’t next week, so you need to get more creative to win. Your partners must do the same, and you all become better together. There’s also the bonding you get from a shared suffering. Not to mention you are as physically close to these people as you possibly can be. Oh and you’re also trusting each other with your personal well-being, which also builds bonds. I’ve made some great new friends lately!

Finally I love the purity of BJJ. There’s really not much bullshit to be had. One thing I’ve learned about lifting is you can have a pretty large collection of rather fragile egos in any given gym or on any given internet. That’s just been my observation anyway. With BJJ I don’t think many of those types last. You just have to accept that you don’t know jack shit and then get on with the learning process. Acting like a tough guy douche would be completely ridiculous when you’re going to roll and get exposed anyway. I’m sure there’s plenty of ego in BJJ that I haven’t seen, but my experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive.

You just need to recognize that the ass whoopings you receive are for your benefit. They needn’t be severe, so make sure you are rolling at an intensity level that suits you. Communication between your partners and instructors is key, so let them know if you can’t go full-force. That’s when you just “flow roll”, and it can be for any reason. Maybe you had shoulder surgery. Maybe you just got your tramp stamp finished and your skin is tender. Maybe you’ve just had enough ass whoopings and you want to work on your side control escapes. Its all good.

A gym called “Soma JJ” doesn’t sound like a place where you will get mauled and humiliated when you walk through the doors. My money is on more stoners than psychopaths.

If you are at all interested, I’d really encourage you to just show up to class. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not for everyone, but you won’t know if it is for you until you try. There’s just so much to be learned when you’ve got another person doing everything they can to choke you unconscious or break your bones.

I hope you found this helpful!

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Monday 7/10/17

BJJ 90 min

We drilled a Judo takedown tonight. I forget what it was called.

Then we drilled two different sweeps from guard and a kimura from guard.

Rolling was brief. First roll was with a female brown belt. Dialed down the force, still got her in an armbar. Second roll was with the black belt instructor. Stopped a gi choke and got complimented on recognizing it. Slowed it down and worked on guard passes.

The guy I was hoping to roll with skated after drills. I’ll get him next time!

Yes I find it to be very informative. Thanks!

Maybe I’ll stop in and try the stuff one day- check out a session. The thing that makes me hesitate is my personality. If I were to get involved it’d be like anything else I get into - all the way. I can’t dabble with anything. For me it’s pretty much an “all or none” thing and since I’m focused on the iron, i can’t take away from gym time. For you it sounds like it’s augmenting your weight training. For me it’d lead to a choice between them, and I already know I’d choose the weights.

But thank you very much for the awesome reply!

Later,

Yeah if you have serious lifting goals AND a busy adult life it could be hard to pursue both simultaneously. I spent four years pursuing strength fairly seriously and, well, it worked. I’m now strong by most measures. Getting stronger than I already am isn’t that important to me anymore, so it is a good time to pick up a new physical pursuit.

If lifting 1-2 days/week while I focus mostly on BJJ ends up producing a HUGE strength drop-off, I might re-assess. But I don’t think that will happen.

Good luck in whatever training you pursue!

Great reply. I’m really enjoying reading about your experience…maybe someday I’ll get my old crippled self to a gym !

@sen_say I’m glad you enjoyed my BJJ screed. Maybe someday could be today, tomorrow or sometime in the near future. If you have an interest, take the plunge and see what it is all about.

I doubt you will regret stopping by your local gym for a beginner class. Your chances of getting used as a practice dummy by a brutish 280 lb bouncer drenched in sweat are slim, unless your local gym happens to be a tiny, nondescript dojo deep in the north woods.

Good luck!

Thursday 7/13/17

BJJ 90 min

Today we continued July’s training, focusing on work from the guard position. We began with a Judo takedown with a Japanese name I can’t recall, but translates roughly to Inner Leg Reaper.

Next we worked guard passes. I haven’t nailed the terminology yet except for the smash pass, which is already a favorite of mine.

Rolling was brief. I had fresh meat, but he was a pretty strong motherfucker. We began standing and I got the takedown. I almost had him in a rear naked choke but I failed to get my hooks in and he managed to get me on my back. I let him take side control and work it for a bit, then made the escape when he gave me the opportunity to give him a good shove and get my feet in his hips. He stood up and basically ran away from me for the rest of the 5 min. He had some bullshit gi on that was definitely not made for grappling, and I ripped it open when I tried to grab him.

Oops. He was a good sport though.

Next up was another roll with a very 150 pound white belt. I tapped him a few times and then let him have mount, then he worked his armbars.

I wanted to stay and roll, but I had to leave because…

Bouncing - 270 minutes

There was a guy who got wasted fast, then cut-off by me. I wanted to toss him out but the owner let him stay. Over the course of my shift many Jiu Jitsu thoughts passed through my head, mostly relating to choking this obnoxious drunk out. Rear-naked would have worked well, but he also had a hoodie that I could have choked him with without bothering to put him on the ground.

Speaking of which, I also had thoughts of working some takedowns on him, and what it might be like for his drunken body to launch over my hip, into the air and then slam into the pavement. Not good for him, that’s for sure.

I managed to refrain from acting on these thoughts, and instead arranged transportation for him via a customer who was neither drunk nor obnoxious. Besides the drunk guy who made me want to jiu jitsu him, it was actually a pretty fucking fun shift.

Long day. Work, train, work, hopefully sleep now very soon.

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Friday 7/14/17

BJJ 90 min

Open mat Friday

Jackpot. Only four people showed up, including the instructor. Four-stripe brown was also in attendance. I got a 90 min private lesson for a $10 donation to the fund for new mats.

The fourth person was a child who was fun to roll with. He was maybe 9 or 10 and, with two years on the mat, he knew quite a bit more than I did. I let him go to work on me, but I did my best to pay attention to what he was doing and make it challenging for him. This is one of the things that I find remarkable about BJJ. Training with a partner will almost always produce lessons for both people if it is done conscientiously.

I got a lot of great rolls in with the two upper belts, with a lot of new bruises and a lot of new lessons. I was definitely taken to school, and I tried to take in as much as I could. I’m definitely improving at breathing, keeping calm, and being more aware of what is happening to me. I must have tapped 20 times.

I did not tap anyone today. I maybe made the upper belts work a little harder but these guys will have my number for a very long time. Everyone rolled with everyone else. It was cool to watch my instructor and our visitor roll. They were pretty evenly matched. The kid got a private lesson too, plus a giant practice dummy.

After Jr departed we spent 15 min working bouncer scenarios, and I learned a standing arm control technique called the Russian Tie. It it like an Americana you make by hugging a person’s arm with your arms and body. It is very painful and gives you a lot of control and a lot of options if the person escalates. You can clinch in if they start punching and you can go right to a single-leg takedown if they rip their arm out.

This is something I’m going to work on more. A lot more.

Enjoy yourselves people!

My daughter played soccer with this girl - I think she was nine at the time and she is fourteen now.

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@The_Myth It is scary to think how much wider the pool of BJJ practicioners is going to be in 20 years when all of the kids growing up with it are mature adults in their athletic prime. Most people who are teaching it today in the United States began learning as adults.

Sunday 7/16/17

Open gym at the brown belt’s house

Lifting 45 min

I brought my seldom-used sandbag over and left it there as long as he’s hosting open gym. It is too dusty for me to use in my basement, so it wasn’t seeing a lot of use. We did some carries with it and some bag-go-shoulder rounds. Then he used it like the sandbag was a person in side control, which he as able to escape. Lots of fun, nothing too taxing.

BJJ 120 min

We drilled grip fighting moves from standing and from the guard. The brown belt who was instructing absolutely torments me with this, and he’s giving me the keys to solving it (at which point he will just torment me in other ways).

We also worked on a basic scissor sweep from guard.

Then we rolled. I tore through the two other white belts easily this week. I even got a technical tap on the brown belt under his special house rules, where if you find yourself too close to a particular wall the person on the bottom can ring a little bell he has hung from a shelf. If you ring the bell from bottom, you win, and that’s how I defeated a senior brown belt in one-on-one combat.

I was still tapped by the brown belt quite a few times. Lots of great rolls were had. Lessons in patience, breathing and futility were learned.

Thursday 7/20/17

BJJ 90 min

We worked the same judo takedown we will work all month. Uchi Gari. I’m getting better at putting everything together on this.

We continued July’s work from guard, working on three different sweeps today.

Scissor sweep
Scissor sweep with knee push
Flower sweep

Rolling was pretty shitty. I bounced last night and didn’t get much sleep, ate fucking Taco Bell for a rushed lunch, didn’t eat enough AND it was about 95 degrees and humid in the gym. I mostly got mauled, first by a blue belt, then the black belt and then the senior purple belt.

I managed to get in some good positions and scored a good takedown on my instructor, but I couldn’t turn anything into a submission. I also kinda gave up at the end of my third roll, which I’m not particularly proud of.

This was one of those punch the clock days. Soaked in sweat head-to-toe. Tough training for sure.

Friday 7/21/17

BJJ 90 min

Open mat Friday

Black belt and a blue belt showed up. Couldn’t tap either, but I’m making progress in escapes and improving my position. Another very, very hot day in the gym.

I’ve been on a stay-cation so I’m behind on logging.

Monday 7/24/17

BJJ 90 min

We worked four guard passes today. Can’t remember all of the terms…

Inside knee
Outside knee
Smash pass
Tornado pass?

I only had time for two rolls.

First was with a new white belt who is built like a brick shit house. He’s almost as strong as I am and he’s got some background in lifting and martial arts. I was able to tap him with an Americana. He put up a helluva fight though. I hope he sticks around.

Second roll was with another white belt/Judo instructor. He ran through me pretty bad, tapping me three times in five minutes.

That’s it!

Thursday 7/27/17

BJJ 105 min

We had a guest instructor today from the NH affiliate gym. We worked on two x-guard sweeps, which was my first experience with x-guard. The first sweep was intended to lead to a bow-and-arrow choke, which I had trouble pulling off. The second sweep was intended to lead to an armbar, which worked well for me.

Rolling was great tonight. My first roll was with a senior blue belt who I have yet to tap. I had him in side control, he got on his side and then I took Russian Mount and went for the armbar. He escaped and ended up putting me in side control. Tapped me with a wrist lock. I love rolling with this guy because he’ll always rewind it and show me how he did it and, just as important, how to defend.

Next roll was with the new white belt I tapped last week. Apparently this guy knows Taekwondo and Ninjitsu. He’s definitely in-shape, aggressive and very strong. He basically bull-rushed me and I put him in guard. He tried to choke me from inside my guard for a good two minutes. I just let him work. He was coached into a stack-pass and took side control. From here he kept trying to drive all of his weight into me. I used this against him by baiting him into doing it and then easily rolling him over and taking side control on him. Got him in an Americana shortly after. I like rolling with this guy too.

Next up was a Jr. Purple belt who only weighs in at about 150. I kinda go easy on this guy and let him work. I know I can overpower him but that doesn’t really help either of us. He tapped me with an odd wrist lock, and I got to work some mount escapes.

Next up was the senior purple belt. I passed his guard, took side control and then he made the escape and took mount on me. We rolled each other twice. Eventually I got him back in side control and went for the armbar. He defended that and I was able to move to the kimura, earning my first tap with that submission.

Last roll was with the four-stripe brown who does open mat, who was visiting my school for the day. This dude is fucking brutal, but he showed me a big a-ha for side control escapes.

Five balls-out rolls is a great workout! I hope the new white belt sticks around!

@twojarslave
Dude I’ve seen this thread title forever and finally, I have to respond to it - IF I’m a meathead and am not sure I actually am, noooo, no iron sheep.

However, part of my gym log title is “ItonGarden.”

And BTW, you’re a BJJ rolling maniac ain’t ya?!

I’m still considering a class to check it out…pondering, translated procrastinating in this case!

Keep it up bro!

@s_afsoc Well that’s the first time anyone has responded to the question posed in my thread title, so I appreciate finally getting someone to answer after having it up for a few years.

I wish I could call myself a BJJ rolling maniac. I’m definitely in better condition for it, but not nearly as good as the best players I’ve had the pleasure of rolling with. Those guys can go for hours. I’m afraid I’m still in the BJJ clumsy oaf stage, which is just past the unskilled goon level I began at. Perhaps in a few years I could call myself a BJJ rolling maniac, but I’ve got a lot of road in between here and there.

If you’re interested, you should still go try it. Scratch the itch. If you like it, you will have found a new activity to compliment your weight training. If not, who the fuck cares? Stay focused on lifting and reap those rewards.

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First off, funny about the question just now being answered :slight_smile:

I love your attitude about your skill level, especially since ego HAS to be counterproductive in JJ.

And, the attitude about trying it is perfect, and happens to match the one I’d try to gave about it.

If I did get going in BJJ, I’d have to get it real clear at the dojo (? They call it that or something else?) about how no one can strike my abdomen where a pump full of morphine solution is. If it were busted it’d be really bad really quick. Hell, I’d likely need clearance from the dr to start with. And, not sure if it’d be safe to grapple in the first place. I’m inclined to not give a shit but don’t need to get dead either.

Later bro!

I’ve been on the fence as well, there is a small group here in our community that rolls a couple times a week and have asked me on multiple occasions if I’d like to be the big guy’s punching bag (verbatim, haha they need a bigger, stronger body to give him a go) and I have kicked it around, but simply dislike being bad at stuff (as most do) but reading about your adventures definitely has me thinking more seriously about it, along with Idaho’s tactical thread. So…thanks!