No sir I was pinning once a week then.
Im not trolling, im just telling you what is and what isnt.
If recomp would work, no pro bodybuilders would ever cut. Its a gimmick that doesnt work to a noticable extent, unless a super fat person starts working out for the first time in his life.
You shouldnt make a topic if you believe you know it all and you are not willing to accept opinions.
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Not everyone can accomplish this. Usually left to the the beginner, muscle memory, and those reclaiming âpawnedâ muscle (but thatâs another story).
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The 10 mg of rad140 is going to be like adding 10 hp to a Ferrari and hoping for a noticeable bump in performance.
You donât need to PCT since you are on TRT.
I think it can happen to some extent. How well it works will be dependent on a few things:
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How underdeveloped the person is. Having little muscle compared to what is possible for that person helps.
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How fat they are. The fatter the more likely the body is to convert fat energy to muscle.
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Genetics.
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Muscle memory.
That being said, I wouldnât recommend an overly fat, underdeveloped individual to use AAS / PEDs.
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Even if it somewhat works, in case of underdeveloped fat person, they would still build some starting muscle on cutting calories. And would achieve all goals faster, if they would just cut and bulk or whatever.
Uhmm Hank? I think you are missing the forrest for the trees here. OP can recomp for sure.
I do agree with your point entirely and literally; OP needs to lose 75lbs or more, so this applies to OP.
FWIW, I recomped a shitload and was far less fat.
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I dont think you did.
The pic looks awesome, btw. Somehow i missed that one. But⊠i think you just did a smart, good, quality cut. Its not like you look much bigger. You are about same size, slightly smaller and just look much much better because of how lean you are.
I think you are a perfect example of how cutting works, imo.
Maybe i dont understand how people define recomp, but for me it means you remain the same weight but exchange the belly for a six pack.
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The most noticeable recomp for a beginner is an untrained person with good genetics. He can get stronger and look better and not change body weight a pound.
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how do you define recomp?
cut = fat loss only ------ zero to thirteen months
bulk = muscle gain ---- thirteen to forty months
above is how I see what you did.
recomp = fat loss + significant muscle gain in the same time span while staying the same body weight according to Hank?
help me understand
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As I look back on my body weight, I trained about 10% over my contest weight in an effort to gain muscle. So, I will call that the closest that I came to âbulking.â
I only ever experienced what I would consider recomp is when I first started lifting weights and when I reclaimed âpawnedâ muscle.
Edit: I should add when I returned to lifting weights while still fighting dermatamyositis, that was almost entirely muscle memory driven. My body weight was stabilized.
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It doesnt matter. As i said, by claiming that recomp is an actual thing, we basically would say that every pro bodybuilder since the beginning of time is a moron who bulked and cut. Why do that when you can get bigger and leaner at the same time, for 30 years straight? Its just not real. Building muscle AND losing fat at the same time means that after doing that for enough time one ends up 300lbs and 4% bodyfat?
The answer is no.
No one with truly great physique ârecompsâ. Most people who say they recomp, they either build some size and not get too fat or just cut down, and not lose too much muscle.
Its not like anyone who claims recomp can show how they went from 12% bodyfat and 17inch arms to 6% and 18,5inch arms.
What i mean is that even if the recomp thing works on paper, its not visually remarkable enough to mention it as a legit tool to use. Whatever gains were made on a recomp, could have been made twice as fast doing it just normally.
Most pics about recomp before and afters dont look any different than normal cutting before and afters. In most cases they also have lost weight, so the muscle build at the same time is not even really measurable.
The stupid idea of âoh you gained lots of muscleâ comes from the fact that anyone with abs just will look more muscular. Its the whole reason why bodybuilders cut in the first place. No one has lost fat and gained significant size at the same time. If a fatass started to go to the gym and cut down to a six pack, of course he looks like an athlete now because everyone with abs just looks 10 times better and leaves an impression of having a lot of muscle.
But has anyone ever increased noticable arm size while recomping from 12-15% to 6-8%? Unless its a person who never did anything, and then started steroids for the first time in his life - NOPE, otherwise bodybuilders would just recomp till they all are 500lbs and 2% bodyfat.
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Hank, weâre talking about recomping for gym newbies and fatasses, not IFBB pros or Olympia level competitors.
Recomping works, until it doesnât. When it doesnât, is when youâre probably around 15%BF and ~20% away from your genetic potential of muscle growth. As you pointed out, it wont work for those around 12%BF or for those who already have a ton of muscle. That doesnât apply to OP though.
I agree with your point in the extremes, but for normies - recomping works⊠until it doesnât.
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Idk⊠You said you recomped. But you just look very well cut. Where would be the difference in your case, for example?
That my arms went down 0.0" while losing 15-20%BF.
And they also do look same size in before and after pics.
My arms dont carry much fat also. My legs have veins on quads and hams no matter how fat i get, etc.
Doing such a smart and slow cut like you did, you shouldnt lose muscle size. I would have done the same cut you did in 4 weeks and id lose half an inch for sure, but that is the benefit of doing it your way.
If youd say you needed that much time to cut and still lost size, id be busting your balls for not getting it done in weeks instead of months.
Now, losing fat and GAINING muscle, would be if youd GAIN arm size while losing fat. When i look at your pics, your arms and shoulder width look very similar to the cut version. The shape is much better now and it pops much better but as i said - you did the smart way of cut, not losing size instead of what i usually do.
Was it cut or a recomp - that could only be measured in a lab, anyways - the difference is so little, we might as well just call it a quality cut.
And I should add: Never confuse vascularity with definition.
Hankthetaintâ:rofl:
Always gotta be someone in here that knows everything and feels the need to argue of days.
You should have kept it moving bud.
Nope. Its not arguing its discussion and i log on here only to discuss stuff with people who have different opinions. Thats the whole point of an online forum, rofl bud.
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