I disagree. Women are unable to get past personal feelings when working together. Men can work alongside men they despise and not let feelings get in the way.
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Respectfully, I don’t think you could. You may be interested, but I very seriously doubt you could gather enough male support to do much more than catch some negative press. I think your “we” is a small percentage of the men needed to accomplish something like this. So IMO, you literally could not.
That said, during a woods walk this morning my dog found and grabbed some guts hunters must have left behind. I shrieked and ran the other way while my husband tried to get her to drop it. I’m for men being men.
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This has not been my experience in any of the female-dominated environments I’ve worked in, but of course mileage varies.
I’m far less sensitive to things like this than most girls, but that’s because I’m 1) use to seeing roadkill 2) watched graphic war movies for as long as I could remember
I do have a fear if bugs though, but in a “SMUSH THAT FUCKER” kind of way. No mercy
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I see a lot of roadkill, too, but pulling a string of…of…I don’t even know…while my dog does her level best to gulp it down before it gets taken away…just NO.
And we’re not having any kisses today, either!
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In general I agree with you Emily, but I would like to present a counterpoint:
This is an interesting show if you are interested in same-gender group dynamics. To be fair, they could have purposefully cast folks they thought would stir up drama. But I think it highlights some things that may or may not be worth discussing.
But this is now a major derail.
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Gut piles are different. Every guy I know that bagged a deer when we were kids admits to throwing up from gutting it.
They also had (may still have?) the tradition of taking a big swig of the fresh warm blood of their kill.
Which also made them all puke.
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Is that more from the smell or the sight?
This is actually common in some parts of the Chinese countryside after slaughtering animals before cooking. Blood is really nutritious. I like the taste of blood, but prefer it coagulated and boiled. I’m paranoid about parasites
The first time is incredibly tough. I definitely gagged and turned green, but managed to hold my lunch (barely).
Didn’t do this thankfully.
We would sacrificially consume Oreos whole and say a prayer to the gods of the hunt prior though.
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I dunno. Probably both. Sound too.
The ole man didn’t trust me with firearms, so I never got to go hunting.
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So men, by themselves, stop other men from
That was always my point.
It was men that empowered women. It was men that allowed feminists to ever accomplish anything. It is men who continue to protect women, even when doing so is literally making life harder for men everywhere.
#MeToo
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Ha! Not with many the tradesmen I’ve worked with/around.
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If women decided to not go to work, the world would manage to go on. If men decided to not go to work, the world would end, quickly.
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I think he was referring to IF men decided to as a whole. Not just a few random folks.
It further highlights women have to have men to protect them and their rights for them to exist in reality against other men.
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That and a big bite out of the heart.
I didn’t puke.
If I am puking, I am probably dying.
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Absent a modern/civilized society of course. All we have to do is go far enough back in history to see the proof is in the pudding.
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Or “men.”
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I forgot to include the other 729,432 genders as well.
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How uninclusive of you.
Bigot.
First two sentences I agree with, but I would offer that the pressure from women became strong enough that most men just wanted peace from it. It’s not like the men simply thought they’d give power over. The women got very angry and home was disrupted and that was intolerable to the men living with it. Over time, more and more men bought into the goal. They had wives and mothers and sisters and daughters they respected and they incrementally shifted in their views.
The men whose lives are literally harder are not the ones protecting women. They are the ones waiting for the wind to change again, and for women to return to disempowerment. They are actively campaigning to make it so.
I don’t think the harder lives are experienced by everyone. I know my husband finds my income absolutely charming. A delight! We have both sacrificed to send our daughters to college. One year, a week before the college semester started, each of our girls, within a couple of days of each other, totaled their Ford Tauruses. One drove into the car in front of her, the other somehow missed that she was at a T intersection and drove onto the grass or mud or whatever and hit construction equipment. Both deny texting when these events transpired. We helped get each of them into cars for the start of school. Both daughters are recent homeowners and both are safe from the vagaries of men and both make us proud. My husband does NOT want his daughter to have to rely on someone else. We have a relatively traditional relationship, as probably will or do our kids. But no one under our care is helpless because some men prefer not to have to compete or compromise.
So my return point was that you’re using “we” to indicate all men. I am saying no, you don’t have that “we.” I have the “we” that includes most people; men and women who are content with the current flexibility.
And if women threw down their burdens? The cooking tools and diapers and scheduling and school-support, the majority of which we do while working now?
I wasn’t going to reply because I have so much to do for Christmas, but then you mansplained, so I had to say I know and respond, lol. (Said affectionately, not angrily!)
It’s absolutely true, but again, as I said above, most first world men like their wives and daughters and such and desire that they thrive. Some women thrive in the public sphere, others at home.
As for men protecting us from other men, why not police yourselves? Which of course you do - law enforcement and military - but this is not at the bottom of it a women problem. We only need good men to protect us from bad men.
And luckily we have them. And luckily they seem to be more for than against most women’s ability to be whole humans with their own rights.
There have been negatives for men as things have shifted - overcorrections, as with the inequality in custody outcomes until recently - but those are being slowly addressed. Women have the same worries financially when they out-earn husbands, as many do.