Dmaddox and Me

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.
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You have no idea D…they make my Mennonite family look like Black Sabbath.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The Baptist boy.[/quote]

Southern Baptist?
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That’s it.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.
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You have no idea D…they make my Mennonite family look like Black Sabbath.[/quote]

lol…I would be the devil, but isn’t the devil Jesus’ brother?

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The Baptist boy.[/quote]

Southern Baptist?
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That’s it.[/quote]

My brother.

Stay away from the alcohol and the dancing. Its the devil. /sarcasm

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.
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You have no idea D…they make my Mennonite family look like Black Sabbath.[/quote]

lol…I would be the devil, but isn’t the devil Jesus’ brother?
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The girl I dated, her sister went to BYU and loved it there. However her Dad was some upper level something in the church (had a title but don’t really remember what it was). A year and a half after we broke up she got pregnant by the guy she had been dating before me (another Baptist boy). The girl like disappeared for the entire summer and the next thing we heard from her, she had been married to a Mormon guy that her dad was friends with his dad, supposedly it was kind of an arranged thing. Really felt sorry for her but she seems to be happy now.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.
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You have no idea D…they make my Mennonite family look like Black Sabbath.[/quote]

lol…I would be the devil, but isn’t the devil Jesus’ brother?
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That’s how they look at me here…I’ve had fathers tell me to stay away from their daughters because I am not LDS, and not in a nice tone either.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The Baptist boy.[/quote]

Southern Baptist?
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That’s it.[/quote]

My brother.

Stay away from the alcohol and the dancing. Its the devil. /sarcasm

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Haha I actually do refrain from getting drunk,(same as gluttony but with the waistlines of many congregations I think they forget that part) as that’s how I interpreted that. The dancing thing, think you are confusing us with Church of Christ (they don’t even play music in church).

I by no means have my life totally together though as their are plenty of people who could find plenty wrong with the way I live my life. Never anything wrong with striving to be a better person though.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That I can believe. We have a pretty large LDS church here and I have known several that went to BYU. Most have come back early and said something to the effect of “those people are pretty extreme”. Not really sure what to make of that though because that could be do to any number of things. [/quote]

It’s different when they are out of state and they are the 5%…they have to adapt and fit in because they are the weird ones to other people.

Here, you will never meet a more judgemental group of people than Utah Mormons…easy when you are the 95%.

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I never knew that.
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You have no idea D…they make my Mennonite family look like Black Sabbath.[/quote]

lol…I would be the devil, but isn’t the devil Jesus’ brother?
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The girl I dated, her sister went to BYU and loved it there. However her Dad was some upper level something in the church (had a title but don’t really remember what it was). A year and a half after we broke up she got pregnant by the guy she had been dating before me (another Baptist boy). The girl like disappeared for the entire summer and the next thing we heard from her, she had been married to a Mormon guy that her dad was friends with his dad, supposedly it was kind of an arranged thing. Really felt sorry for her but she seems to be happy now.[/quote]

VERY common…especially girls that get knocked up by BYU/Utah/Utah State athletes.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The Baptist boy.[/quote]

Southern Baptist?
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That’s it.[/quote]

My brother.

Stay away from the alcohol and the dancing. Its the devil. /sarcasm

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Haha I actually do refrain from getting drunk,(same as gluttony but with the waistlines of many congregations I think they forget that part) as that’s how I interpreted that. The dancing thing, think you are confusing us with Church of Christ (they don’t even play music in church).

I by no means have my life totally together though as their are plenty of people who could find plenty wrong with the way I live my life. Never anything wrong with striving to be a better person though.[/quote]

I am and was raised Southern Baptist. I even went to Houston Baptist University. Dancing was frowned upon. I think Foot Loose the movie was based on a Southern Baptist Church in Beaumont. I was there at HBU the first dance was ever allowed on campus. It was kind of weird, but a part of history.

Church of Christ do not allow music in their churches. My brother-in-law goes to one.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The Baptist boy.[/quote]

Southern Baptist?
[/quote]

That’s it.[/quote]

My brother.

Stay away from the alcohol and the dancing. Its the devil. /sarcasm

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Haha I actually do refrain from getting drunk,(same as gluttony but with the waistlines of many congregations I think they forget that part) as that’s how I interpreted that. The dancing thing, think you are confusing us with Church of Christ (they don’t even play music in church).

I by no means have my life totally together though as their are plenty of people who could find plenty wrong with the way I live my life. Never anything wrong with striving to be a better person though.[/quote]

I am and was raised Southern Baptist. I even went to Houston Baptist University. Dancing was frowned upon. I think Foot Loose the movie was based on a Southern Baptist Church in Beaumont. I was there at HBU the first dance was ever allowed on campus. It was kind of weird, but a part of history.

Church of Christ do not allow music in their churches. My brother-in-law goes to one.
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I mean don’t get me wrong, we aren’t dancing around the church. Couple big controversies to hit our church in recent years were wedding wanted to dance after the ceremony in the dining hall and whether or not we should clap after someone sang. Preacher actually had to preach a sermon on the clapping thing, essentially telling the anti-clappers to lighten up. The dancing thing was a no go though. Yeah we have a fairly well represented mixture of the protestant denominations here. The Catholics and the Jews are kind of slim though. Mormons are a large group.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Lol. I forgot about that. I hold you Puff in the highest regards. I would love to discuss the Mormon/non-denominational Christian hybrid further because that just blows my mind. Same morally, but theologically on different planets. I understand if you do not want to discuss though.
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Thank you. I would shoot you a PM or two, but I believe the system is disabled.

I’d be happy to talk about faith with you, but it’s probably not a really quick discussion. You can ask me questions and I’ll do my best as long as we aren’t going to pull out our Bibles and debate. :wink:

In a nutshell - People here in the West tend to at least have some experience with LDS friends or coworkers. In other parts of the country, there is often no point of reference.

I mentioned before that I was raised by an LDS mom, and Non-denominational Christian dad. My mom took us to church and I identified with her, and got most of my early religious ideas from her. LDS kids are taught all about Jesus Christ and learn Bible stories (along with stories from the Book of Mormon), so there may be fewer differences raising kids than you imagine. I have a lot of cousins on the other side of the family who are Baptist and Methodist, and I often attended a Baptist congregation with my paternal grandma as a kid. My dad and brother are Christian but not church attenders. That gives you an idea of my background.

Still, I think faith should be less about your culture and family traditions, or what your parents or other ancestors believe. It’s should be more of a personal thing. What do YOU believe? That’s the real question. I went through sort of a faith crisis a few years ago. I was in my 30’s. I began to feel like a bit of a fish out of water. I did not have a big ax to grind, but I began to search and question. It was a very personal thing. I studied some religious history. I wondered if I was going to end up agnostic. If you are familiar with Fowler’s Stages of Faith, you’d say I was moving through Stage 4. http://www.usefulcharts.com/psychology/james-fowler-stages-of-faith.html

Anyway, I began to strip away, and simplify my beliefs. And I landed with a very basic Christianity, for which I was really grateful. I’m fundamentally someone with faith. I came to accept that about myself. And I’ve gradually come to accept that I fit best in the LDS church, even if I’ve put some ideas in the “I don’t know, and may never know” category. I’m OK with that. Those things didn’t mean I had to reject everything. There are a lot of ideas that I really love. Families are forever, and many others aspects of my faith. Does that make sense? It didn’t have to be all or nothing. I could be at peace with not knowing all the answers. We’re all a bunch of very flawed humans down here anyway. :slight_smile:

On most Sundays, you will find my butt in a church pew for an hour - not three!! - yes, that’s typical in an LDS congregation - but I usually go to church, and I’m usually uplifted by spending some time focusing on spiritual things. I pray. I try to forgive and ask God for forgiveness. I see the good in people. I believe Christ is the Savior. These things are fundamental.

We are surrounded by the secular. If you are more familiar with LDS people, you’d know that I’m not a temple attending LDS person, but I am a church goer. Strictly speaking, my LDS friends would probably tell me that I should work on growing a more traditional LDS faith. And Christian friends of other faiths would probably tell me I’m just plain doing it wrong. LOL! Some of the exclusionary claims made by churches is what got me here in the first place. :slight_smile: I’ve made peace with it. My faith will likely continue to change as I mature. I’d hope so at least.

I realize this may not make much sense to people who are unfamiliar, or who are not religious.

Pardon the religion threadjack.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Lol. I forgot about that. I hold you Puff in the highest regards. I would love to discuss the Mormon/non-denominational Christian hybrid further because that just blows my mind. Same morally, but theologically on different planets. I understand if you do not want to discuss though.
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Thank you. I would shoot you a PM or two, but I believe the system is disabled.

I’d be happy to talk about faith with you, but it’s probably not a really quick discussion. You can ask me questions and I’ll do my best as long as we aren’t going to pull out our Bibles and debate. :wink:

In a nutshell - People here in the West tend to at least have some experience with LDS friends or coworkers. In other parts of the country, there is often no point of reference.

I mentioned before that I was raised by an LDS mom, and Non-denominational Christian dad. My mom took us to church and I identified with her, and got most of my early religious ideas from her. LDS kids are taught all about Jesus Christ and learn Bible stories (along with stories from the Book of Mormon), so there may be fewer differences raising kids than you imagine. I have a lot of cousins on the other side of the family who are Baptist and Methodist, and I often attended a Baptist congregation with my paternal grandma as a kid. My dad and brother are Christian but not church attenders. That gives you an idea of my background.

Still, I think faith should be less about your culture and family traditions, or what your parents or other ancestors believe. It’s should be more of a personal thing. What do YOU believe? That’s the real question. I went through sort of a faith crisis a few years ago. I was in my 30’s. I began to feel like a bit of a fish out of water. I did not have a big ax to grind, but I began to search and question. It was a very personal thing. I studied some religious history. I wondered if I was going to end up agnostic. If you are familiar with Fowler’s Stages of Faith, you’d say I was moving through Stage 4. http://www.usefulcharts.com/psychology/james-fowler-stages-of-faith.html

Anyway, I began to strip away, and simplify my beliefs. And I landed with a very basic Christianity, for which I was really grateful. I’m fundamentally someone with faith. I came to accept that about myself. And I’ve gradually come to accept that I fit best in the LDS church, even if I’ve put some ideas in the “I don’t know, and may never know” category. I’m OK with that. Those things didn’t mean I had to reject everything. There are a lot of ideas that I really love. Families are forever, and many others aspects of my faith. Does that make sense? It didn’t have to be all or nothing. I could be at peace with not knowing all the answers. We’re all a bunch of very flawed humans down here anyway. :slight_smile:

On most Sundays, you will find my butt in a church pew for an hour - not three!! - yes, that’s typical in an LDS congregation - but I usually go to church, and I’m usually uplifted by spending some time focusing on spiritual things. I pray. I try to forgive and ask God for forgiveness. I see the good in people. I believe Christ is the Savior. These things are fundamental.

We are surrounded by the secular. If you are more familiar with LDS people, you’d know that I’m not a temple attending LDS person, but I am a church goer. Strictly speaking, my LDS friends would probably tell me that I should work on growing a more traditional LDS faith. And Christian friends of other faiths would probably tell me I’m just plain doing it wrong. LOL! Some of the exclusionary claims made by churches is what got me here in the first place. :slight_smile: I’ve made peace with it. My faith will likely continue to change as I mature. I’d hope so at least.

I realize this may not make much sense to people who are unfamiliar, or who are not religious.

Pardon the religion threadjack.

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I admire that and agree with a lot of what you said. I have also heard similar experiences from a couple members of the LDS church who pulled away from certain aspects (my old tennis partner) but retained others because at the end of the day that was the faith they still identified the most with.

I had someone tell me once that they didn’t believe that any one denomination had it all right, and those that did, probably were not studying enough for themselves. So I can definitely sympathize with that. Do I think Baptists are the right about every theological issue, not really. However, the majority of their teachings line up with the majority of what I believe more so than other groups.

I too think my faith will mature and my stances will change on certain things as I become more mature as a Christian. You is good people Puff lol.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I admire that and agree with a lot of what you said. I have also heard similar experiences from a couple members of the LDS church who pulled away from certain aspects (my old tennis partner) but retained others because at the end of the day that was the faith they still identified the most with.

I had someone tell me once that they didn’t believe that any one denomination had it all right, and those that did, probably were not studying enough for themselves. So I can definitely sympathize with that. Do I think Baptists are the right about every theological issue, not really. However, the majority of their teachings line up with the majority of what I believe more so than other groups.

I too think my faith will mature and my stances will change on certain things as I become more mature as a Christian. You is good people Puff lol.[/quote]

Hey, thanks for slogging through the wall of text. This isn’t really a great place to talk seriously about religion, but it’s nice to meet a kindred spirit. As for good people, far from perfect, but thanks. Back at ya.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Lol. I forgot about that. I hold you Puff in the highest regards. I would love to discuss the Mormon/non-denominational Christian hybrid further because that just blows my mind. Same morally, but theologically on different planets. I understand if you do not want to discuss though.
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Thank you. I would shoot you a PM or two, but I believe the system is disabled.

I’d be happy to talk about faith with you, but it’s probably not a really quick discussion. You can ask me questions and I’ll do my best as long as we aren’t going to pull out our Bibles and debate. :wink:

In a nutshell - People here in the West tend to at least have some experience with LDS friends or coworkers. In other parts of the country, there is often no point of reference.

I mentioned before that I was raised by an LDS mom, and Non-denominational Christian dad. My mom took us to church and I identified with her, and got most of my early religious ideas from her. LDS kids are taught all about Jesus Christ and learn Bible stories (along with stories from the Book of Mormon), so there may be fewer differences raising kids than you imagine. I have a lot of cousins on the other side of the family who are Baptist and Methodist, and I often attended a Baptist congregation with my paternal grandma as a kid. My dad and brother are Christian but not church attenders. That gives you an idea of my background.

Still, I think faith should be less about your culture and family traditions, or what your parents or other ancestors believe. It’s should be more of a personal thing. What do YOU believe? That’s the real question. I went through sort of a faith crisis a few years ago. I was in my 30’s. I began to feel like a bit of a fish out of water. I did not have a big ax to grind, but I began to search and question. It was a very personal thing. I studied some religious history. I wondered if I was going to end up agnostic. If you are familiar with Fowler’s Stages of Faith, you’d say I was moving through Stage 4. http://www.usefulcharts.com/psychology/james-fowler-stages-of-faith.html

Anyway, I began to strip away, and simplify my beliefs. And I landed with a very basic Christianity, for which I was really grateful. I’m fundamentally someone with faith. I came to accept that about myself. And I’ve gradually come to accept that I fit best in the LDS church, even if I’ve put some ideas in the “I don’t know, and may never know” category. I’m OK with that. Those things didn’t mean I had to reject everything. There are a lot of ideas that I really love. Families are forever, and many others aspects of my faith. Does that make sense? It didn’t have to be all or nothing. I could be at peace with not knowing all the answers. We’re all a bunch of very flawed humans down here anyway. :slight_smile:

On most Sundays, you will find my butt in a church pew for an hour - not three!! - yes, that’s typical in an LDS congregation - but I usually go to church, and I’m usually uplifted by spending some time focusing on spiritual things. I pray. I try to forgive and ask God for forgiveness. I see the good in people. I believe Christ is the Savior. These things are fundamental.

We are surrounded by the secular. If you are more familiar with LDS people, you’d know that I’m not a temple attending LDS person, but I am a church goer. Strictly speaking, my LDS friends would probably tell me that I should work on growing a more traditional LDS faith. And Christian friends of other faiths would probably tell me I’m just plain doing it wrong. LOL! Some of the exclusionary claims made by churches is what got me here in the first place. :slight_smile: I’ve made peace with it. My faith will likely continue to change as I mature. I’d hope so at least.

I realize this may not make much sense to people who are unfamiliar, or who are not religious.

Pardon the religion threadjack.
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I respect what you have written, and yes I read it all.

I believe there is nothing I can say to change anyone’s mind. It is only the Holy Spirit that can do that.

I am like jbpick…I am Southern Baptist, but I do not believe 100% of what the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) brings out. IMO they are one of the closest to what the Bible actually says. The SBC has lightened up a lot on the “you can not do…” teaching. More allow the Holy Spirit to tell you what is right and wrong based on the scriptures.

PM’s no longer work. You can look me up on Google+ if you want. Damon Maddox in Houston.

DYECTR?

I’m LDS. Come at me Brother. Though I live and grew up in the Midwest and have also heard some strange things about UT Mormons.

Internet high five to Powerpuff.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
DYECTR?

I’m LDS. Come at me Brother. Though I live and grew up in the Midwest and have also heard some strange things about UT Mormons.

Internet high five to Powerpuff.[/quote]

I was scared to see what you were going to put in here. I was pleasantly surprised.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
DYECTR?

I’m LDS. Come at me Brother. Though I live and grew up in the Midwest and have also heard some strange things about UT Mormons.

Internet high five to Powerpuff.[/quote]

They be Cray barrister.