DL - Release or Touch and Go on Reps?

[quote]Billy Mimnaugh wrote:

When I started training you had to pay your dues. You were abused, you were made fun of, and you spotted and loaded the big guysâ?? plates for them. You were basically a bitch. You NEVER dared give an opinion, and you never questioned what the established guys told you. You just listened, learned, and were expected to train hard until you became a â??big guy.â??

Compare that to today. Today, we have the rise of the internet icons, guys who havenâ??t done a single, solitary thing in the sport actually giving opinions on training to other lifters. These are guys who never even totaled elite but own websites and set themselves up as experts and actually get interviewed for their opinions when the only thing they have learned is what some college professor told them. No practical knowledge, no trial and error, no accomplishments, and in many cases, not even an ounce of muscle mass. Who in the blue hell made these guys experts?

My God, some of these guys know so little about training and what it takes to get big and strong that they should be banned from ever giving advice. I had one icon tell me that good mornings donâ??t translate into bigger deadlifts or squats and then proceeded to tell me how dangerous they were. Can you imagine? Dangerous? What did Louie say about totally safe movementsâ??â??If a movement is totally safe, itâ??s totally useless.â?? However, these guys heard some college professor tell them that some study at Harvard shows good mornings are dangerous, and therefore, they accept it as fact. Never mind that the best lifters in the sport swear by them. Nope, professor pencil neck said they are dangerous and thatâ??s that.

One of the biggest factors for this stupidity is the internet. The internet has been an incredible vehicle for acquiring knowledge, but itâ??s also been one of the most damaging things to ever have happened in weight training. Little tiny men with little tiny totals being elevated as experts. The blind leading the blind, and they all fall in the ditch.

Hereâ??s a suggestion. If you need some advice about getting big and strong, go to someone who is big and strong. Donâ??t worry about how many letters are next to his name or where he coaches or what college he attended. See if he has paid his dues and succeeded in your chosen sport. Turning pages in a book canâ??t replace getting under a barbell. Theories donâ??t trump practical experience. If you go to a seminar, make sure the guy is an expert, not just an internet icon posing as an expert. Most importantly, pay your dues.

You canâ??t get strong by reading books. Backward dumbbell lunges canâ??t replace good mornings. GPP doesnâ??t mean a damn thing if youâ??re not strong. Stop looking at the technicalities of the sport and just freaking train heavy and hard. Instead of worrying about tweaking that shirt an extra half inch on your arm or getting tighter squat briefs, get strong first and stick to the basics. Read and listen to what guys with big totals have to say, not guys with lots of book smarts and college degrees.

Lastly, ignore the internet icons. Most of them have never and will never do a damn thing in this sport. They sit at their computers with their theories about what it takes to get strong but could never muster up enough nads to actually get strong themselves. A long time ago, you had to pay your dues to be considered an expert. Now, with the rise of the internet, all you need is a computer and a college degree and you can be elevated to the position of strength guru. Thatâ??s a sad state of affairs.[/quote]

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
I hate how even though I have him blocked, Type2B still manages to ruin good threads. I don’t even know what he’s saying and I already know it’s some retarded ass backwards logic that he thinks he got from teh interwebz and reading Supertraining.

All I have to say, is that if EVERYONE is telling you you’re retarded, maybe it’s time to step back and consider their arguments.

Please don’t mind if I correct you. (Be prepared cause I’m gonna post with upper caps…)

THE REASON WHY YOU POWERLIFTERS THINK I’M AN IDIOT AIN’T BECAUSE I’M AN IDIOT. IT’S BECAUSE YOU GUYS, IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD THINK THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO GIVE OUT ADVICE ARE VETERAN POWERLIFTERS! YOU FEEL OBLIGATED TO CONTRADICT ME BECAUSE YOU ARE, (just like everyone else) A HUMAN BEING WHO THIRSTS/HUNGERS FOR A SENSE OF IMPORTANCE. YOU GET THIS SENSE OF IMPORTANCE BY INSULTING THE LIKES OF ME, WHO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL BRING GREAT THINGS IN ALL STRENGTH SPORTS!!!

(…just for the sake of me not looking arrogant, please pretend that the last sentece in that all caps paragraph doesn’t exist.)[/quote]

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Chuck Vogelpohl interview.

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Billy Mimnaugh wrote:
Lastly, ignore the internet icons. Most of them have never and will never do a damn thing in this sport. They sit at their computers with their theories about what it takes to get strong but could never muster up enough nads to actually get strong themselves. [/quote]

I accept the challenge!

[quote]Vincent Dizenzo wrote:

“Too many guys are looking for the right program instead of just smashing fucking weights”[/quote]

[quote]B rocK wrote:
3WL FTW![/quote]

I know right, it’s almost like I KNOW someone that knows everything the internet has to offer yet hasn’t gotten stronger in the last 3 years. That can’t be right though. You don’t know anyone like that, do you?

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Vincent Dizenzo wrote:

“Too many guys are looking for the right program instead of just smashing fucking weights”

[/quote]

Can I get an Amen? Or maybe a Hail Satan?

I didn’t want to leave anyone out. >:O)

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

I’ve been told that if you fold up a few towels on the ground, and rest the plates on that, it solves the octagonal plates problem. Fortunately I dont lift in a gym with 8-sided plates anymore, but my buddy told me he was doing this. It gives the plate something to sink into, instead of coming down on a point and immediately rolling. never tried it myself, so i dont know how many towels you’d need to provide enough of a cushion for the plate to sink into[/quote]

Oh shit! I once saw a dude deadlifting with two of those soft-foam mats that people use to do crunches,etc., under the plates, at the time I though he was just doing it to decrease the noise, but maybe he was also trying to “level off” the weights like you mentioned.

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try it and report back if it works!

haha no one really likes TIME2BGAY I mean TYPE2B.

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
B rocK wrote:
3WL FTW!

I know right, it’s almost like I KNOW someone that knows everything the internet has to offer yet hasn’t gotten stronger in the last 3 years. That can’t be right though. You don’t know anyone like that, do you?[/quote]

hey! my curls have gone up 2.5lbs in the past 8 months!!

:wink:

[quote]m1sf1t wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

I’ve been told that if you fold up a few towels on the ground, and rest the plates on that, it solves the octagonal plates problem. Fortunately I dont lift in a gym with 8-sided plates anymore, but my buddy told me he was doing this. It gives the plate something to sink into, instead of coming down on a point and immediately rolling. never tried it myself, so i dont know how many towels you’d need to provide enough of a cushion for the plate to sink into

Oh shit! I once saw a dude deadlifting with two of those soft-foam mats that people use to do crunches,etc., under the plates, at the time I though he was just doing it to decrease the noise, but maybe he was also trying to “level off” the weights like you mentioned.

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try it and report back if it works!

[/quote]

Great ideas. I guess you can use towels/mats under your feet to still get full ROM.

[quote]dbutkus wrote:
Great ideas. I guess you can use towels/mats under your feet to still get full ROM.[/quote]

I don’t think that’s a great idea. The towels/mats will absorb a lot of your energy. It would be similar to DL’ing in running shoes.

You could stand on a plate if needed, or if there are any scraps of old rubber flooring, that would be a much better option.

[quote]Modi wrote:
dbutkus wrote:
Great ideas. I guess you can use towels/mats under your feet to still get full ROM.

I don’t think that’s a great idea. The towels/mats will absorb a lot of your energy. It would be similar to DL’ing in running shoes.

You could stand on a plate if needed, or if there are any scraps of old rubber flooring, that would be a much better option.[/quote]

Good point.

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
I hate how even though I have him blocked, Type2B still manages to ruin good threads. I don’t even know what he’s saying and I already know it’s some retarded ass backwards logic that he thinks he got from teh interwebz and reading Supertraining.

All I have to say, is that if EVERYONE is telling you you’re retarded, maybe it’s time to step back and consider their arguments.

Please don’t mind if I correct you. (Be prepared cause I’m gonna post with upper caps…)

THE REASON WHY YOU POWERLIFTERS THINK I’M AN IDIOT AIN’T BECAUSE I’M AN IDIOT. IT’S BECAUSE YOU GUYS, IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD THINK THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO GIVE OUT ADVICE ARE VETERAN POWERLIFTERS! YOU FEEL OBLIGATED TO CONTRADICT ME BECAUSE YOU ARE, (just like everyone else) A HUMAN BEING WHO THIRSTS/HUNGERS FOR A SENSE OF IMPORTANCE. YOU GET THIS SENSE OF IMPORTANCE BY INSULTING THE LIKES OF ME, WHO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL BRING GREAT THINGS IN ALL STRENGTH SPORTS!!!

(…just for the sake of me not looking arrogant, please pretend that the last sentece in that all caps paragraph doesn’t exist.)[/quote]

Dude, you’re not the only 17 year old around here. You don’t see any of us ranting about how smart we are. Learn you fucking place. You very well may have learned a lot on the internet but no matter what you say what really matters is what you find out for yourself. And one thing you’ve obviously not read about or experienced is when to shut the fuck up and listen to the people you can learn from.

That is one of the many differences between knowledge and wisdom my friend.

It also has something to do with maturity…

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually I think you are, as personal opinion. No matter, though.

How can anyone argue with that, you wonder? Because those that have been training in powerlifting for years, or taking the DL seriously even if not in powerlifting, and have found what works better for them and what does not, have a better basis of saying what best works for them than any famous name trainer does, particularly when said famous name trainer does not train powerlifters.

Shocking to you, perhaps, that that could be so – why, you don’t even think there’s any room for debate once a quote from a famous name trainer is put out there, surely that has to end it, to your mind anyway – but it’s true nonetheless.

Goodbye. I’ve found your posts consistently not worth reading.

Don’t you powerlifters get it? I’ve been trying to hide my arrogance for so long, I can’t help it anymore. I need to put all of you in your place. YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MEAN SHIT TO MY MONTHS (more than a year) WORTH OF READING FROM RELIABLE SOURCES!! I’ve been to alot of places all over the web and the things that I’ve learned are far beyond what most of the experienced powerlifters in here knows from simply chaining themselves to the squat rack. YOU CAN’T BASE EVERYTHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE!!! Everyone is different, and for you to say that you have the privilege to give out advice to newbies just because you’ve “been there” is just pure arrogance. Heck, I can do two things right now:

  1. Lift weights even though I have no clue what I’m doing and learn from my mistakes.

OR, a much better option

  1. Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet and lift weights once I am confident with my knowledge. With my knowledge, I will know what to do… And I will learn even more things from my experience…

Alot of you people are a fucking joke. Where the heck is Louie Simmons? I want him to answer all my questions. He is one of the few people who has the privilege to tell me what to do.[/quote]

This isn’t a real post is it? I was waiting for the punch line but it never materialized. How foolish of me to not realize that all I needed to do was “Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet” and then just insult people that have actually lifted more than a paper weight.

[quote]shawnhavoc wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually I think you are, as personal opinion. No matter, though.

How can anyone argue with that, you wonder? Because those that have been training in powerlifting for years, or taking the DL seriously even if not in powerlifting, and have found what works better for them and what does not, have a better basis of saying what best works for them than any famous name trainer does, particularly when said famous name trainer does not train powerlifters.

Shocking to you, perhaps, that that could be so – why, you don’t even think there’s any room for debate once a quote from a famous name trainer is put out there, surely that has to end it, to your mind anyway – but it’s true nonetheless.

Goodbye. I’ve found your posts consistently not worth reading.

Don’t you powerlifters get it? I’ve been trying to hide my arrogance for so long, I can’t help it anymore. I need to put all of you in your place. YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MEAN SHIT TO MY MONTHS (more than a year) WORTH OF READING FROM RELIABLE SOURCES!! I’ve been to alot of places all over the web and the things that I’ve learned are far beyond what most of the experienced powerlifters in here knows from simply chaining themselves to the squat rack. YOU CAN’T BASE EVERYTHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE!!! Everyone is different, and for you to say that you have the privilege to give out advice to newbies just because you’ve “been there” is just pure arrogance. Heck, I can do two things right now:

  1. Lift weights even though I have no clue what I’m doing and learn from my mistakes.

OR, a much better option

  1. Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet and lift weights once I am confident with my knowledge. With my knowledge, I will know what to do… And I will learn even more things from my experience…

Alot of you people are a fucking joke. Where the heck is Louie Simmons? I want him to answer all my questions. He is one of the few people who has the privilege to tell me what to do.

This isn’t a real post is it? I was waiting for the punch line but it never materialized. How foolish of me to not realize that all I needed to do was “Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet” and then just insult people that have actually lifted more than a paper weight.[/quote]

We all have our opinions about things. I am a firm believer of devoting time to research before lifting weights.

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually I think you are, as personal opinion. No matter, though.

How can anyone argue with that, you wonder? Because those that have been training in powerlifting for years, or taking the DL seriously even if not in powerlifting, and have found what works better for them and what does not, have a better basis of saying what best works for them than any famous name trainer does, particularly when said famous name trainer does not train powerlifters.

Shocking to you, perhaps, that that could be so – why, you don’t even think there’s any room for debate once a quote from a famous name trainer is put out there, surely that has to end it, to your mind anyway – but it’s true nonetheless.

Goodbye. I’ve found your posts consistently not worth reading.

Don’t you powerlifters get it? I’ve been trying to hide my arrogance for so long, I can’t help it anymore. I need to put all of you in your place. YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MEAN SHIT TO MY MONTHS (more than a year) WORTH OF READING FROM RELIABLE SOURCES!! I’ve been to alot of places all over the web and the things that I’ve learned are far beyond what most of the experienced powerlifters in here knows from simply chaining themselves to the squat rack. YOU CAN’T BASE EVERYTHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE!!! Everyone is different, and for you to say that you have the privilege to give out advice to newbies just because you’ve “been there” is just pure arrogance. Heck, I can do two things right now:

  1. Lift weights even though I have no clue what I’m doing and learn from my mistakes.

OR, a much better option

  1. Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet and lift weights once I am confident with my knowledge. With my knowledge, I will know what to do… And I will learn even more things from my experience…

Alot of you people are a fucking joke. Where the heck is Louie Simmons? I want him to answer all my questions. He is one of the few people who has the privilege to tell me what to do.

This isn’t a real post is it? I was waiting for the punch line but it never materialized. How foolish of me to not realize that all I needed to do was “Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet” and then just insult people that have actually lifted more than a paper weight.

We all have our opinions about things. I am a firm believer of devoting time to research before lifting weights.[/quote]

You wouldn’t know research if it slapped you in the face.

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:

We all have our opinions about things. I am a firm believer of devoting time to research before lifting weights.[/quote]

i think that ALL T-members have devoted some time researching, that includes listening to bigger and stronger dudes, there must be a reason why all of them are where they are, and that is “effort”, you can spend 3 hours a day reading about how to increae your DB kickback in 10 weeks, but i rather to listen a mofo who has a 400 bench press.

so just shut up and listen to this guys, they know their shit

[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
We all have our opinions about things. I am a firm believer of devoting time to research before lifting weights.[/quote]

Hopefully you will still be young enough to start lifting weights by the time you are done with your research.

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Vincent Dizenzo wrote:

“Too many guys are looking for the right program instead of just smashing fucking weights”

[/quote]

This is the best quote of all. I saw Vinnie at a Bench Seminar in Boston, and he said the same thing. SFW, just Smash Fucking Weights. It ain’t rocket science.