DL - Release or Touch and Go on Reps?

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So it was deadlift day yesterday:

Part 1) I got to the gym with the intentions of trying to put some soft pads under the plates, then I realized we have 2 10kg bumper plates that I actually use when doing Oly lifts, they are the same size as the octagon ones so I put those first and bara-bing bara-boom! the problem was over, I was able to roll the bar normally no problem! I guess I’m just a big dork for not thinking about that waaaay sooner!

Part 2) As a person that has done “touch & go” since I started deadlifting, I can honestly say that release is MUCH, MUCH better and probably the ONLY way to deadlift (at least for me). When doing it “touch & go” I always had a very slow eccentric because I didn’t want to deal with a big bounce or didn’t want the bar to roll weird due to the octagonal plates, which in turn it also made me feel a bit of lower-back pain with every “touch”. With the release, you can do the eccentric part a little bit faster and setting the bar down completely made it feel like I was maintaining my form a bit better. Also, when doing higher reps than singles/doubles, it’s quite hard to keep the breathing right, whereas with the release you can reset your breathing at the bottom of each rep. Overall I think that if you have the ability to release, that should be the way to go, it really does feel like you get the FULL benefit and challenge on EVERY rep.

-My two centavos…

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[quote]Aigriculteur wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Aigriculteur wrote:
Touch and Go is safest that’s all

Please elaborate.

The beginning portion of the lift si where most back injuries will occur.[/quote]

This is VERY VERY flawed reasoning. The safest method would be standing up and resetting your form in between reps, especially with the damned octagon weights. This doesn’t work if you are using straps, but is great if you aren’t.

I have a few thoughts on the two methods though.

If you are weak off the floor, then dead-stop is top priority.
If you are weak past the knees toward lockout, then touch and go kinda makes sense.
If you aren’t weak off the floor, rack pulls may be more beneficial than touch and go.

Lastly, i’d say touch and go should only be used with lighter weights if you are doing some form of higher reps. If you can only do 3 reps with 400 from a dead stop, dont go to touch and go to get 5 reps.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually I think you are, as personal opinion. No matter, though.

How can anyone argue with that, you wonder? Because those that have been training in powerlifting for years, or taking the DL seriously even if not in powerlifting, and have found what works better for them and what does not, have a better basis of saying what best works for them than any famous name trainer does, particularly when said famous name trainer does not train powerlifters.

Shocking to you, perhaps, that that could be so – why, you don’t even think there’s any room for debate once a quote from a famous name trainer is put out there, surely that has to end it, to your mind anyway – but it’s true nonetheless.

Goodbye. I’ve found your posts consistently not worth reading.

Don’t you powerlifters get it? I’ve been trying to hide my arrogance for so long, I can’t help it anymore. I need to put all of you in your place. YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MEAN SHIT TO MY MONTHS (more than a year) WORTH OF READING FROM RELIABLE SOURCES!! I’ve been to alot of places all over the web and the things that I’ve learned are far beyond what most of the experienced powerlifters in here knows from simply chaining themselves to the squat rack. YOU CAN’T BASE EVERYTHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE!!! Everyone is different, and for you to say that you have the privilege to give out advice to newbies just because you’ve “been there” is just pure arrogance. Heck, I can do two things right now:

  1. Lift weights even though I have no clue what I’m doing and learn from my mistakes.

OR, a much better option

  1. Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet and lift weights once I am confident with my knowledge. With my knowledge, I will know what to do… And I will learn even more things from my experience…

Alot of you people are a fucking joke. Where the heck is Louie Simmons? I want him to answer all my questions. He is one of the few people who has the privilege to tell me what to do.

This isn’t a real post is it? I was waiting for the punch line but it never materialized. How foolish of me to not realize that all I needed to do was “Learn as much as I can from books, experts, and the internet” and then just insult people that have actually lifted more than a paper weight.

We all have our opinions about things. I am a firm believer of devoting time to research before lifting weights.[/quote]

There is NO substitute for experience. You will not even be able to understand half of what you are reading until you spend time under the bar. I’m not sure why you have to be so obstinate when you obviously have a lot of strong guys whose experience you could draw from telling you to get up from the keyboard and pick up something heavy. Is it really EVERYONE else that is wrong?

Are the guys that are working on 600 and 700 lbs pulls really that stupid. Do you think that you are the only one that has done your homework? If someone who pulls 3 times their body weight is not an expert, then who is. You have been blinded by your computer screen, you have real live experts telling you to get off your ass and start pulling. It is obvious that you are so afraid of your own weakness that you cant stand the reality that you will never get stronger or truly understand how to get stronger by “READING FROM RELIABLE SOURCES”.

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TypeIIB has a point… It’s good to know your shit. It’s good to do your research. The vast majority of trainers out there don’t. But you should be doing it WHILE you lift. WHILE you are in the trenches. And you take what works for you and throw away what doesn’t. You experiment while you learn and you gain real life experience. But all the knowledge in the world isn’t going to help you out until you’re out there, until you’ve been on the platform, and until you know what it’s like to carry hundreds of pounds on your back, to sweat, to grunt, to step into a commercial gym and have everyone give you funny and awkward looks because they’ve never seen a 500lb DL before.

So, you know what, man? Good on you for doing your research, but don’t come back to talk until you can squat at least double your bodyweight.