I had a discussion with someone who casually powerlifts a while ago, and he had a theory about singles; We both agreed that the Deadlift is probably the most efficient exercise and that low reps instead of high volume are the way to go with deadlifting.
He argued that because the deadlift can injure you more easily then any other exercise, you should be extra cautious. And because the eccentric movement is even more dangerous, you should solely focus on the concentric and routinely drop the bar.
He also does low rep training that way. E.g. raise the bar, drop the bar, raise the bar…
I’ve heard that too by experienced powerlifters. In competition you can’t drop the bar. I usually drop it but still hold on to the bar just to stabilize it.
Don’t drop it, as in don’t release your hands and let it free fall.
Genereally I just let it go to the ground under control. Not making an effort to slowly lower the bar down, but keeping tight enough so that it doesn’t go flying away from me.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Don’t drop it, as in don’t release your hands and let it free fall.
Genereally I just let it go to the ground under control. Not making an effort to slowly lower the bar down, but keeping tight enough so that it doesn’t go flying away from me.[/quote]
Exactly, you can’t just drop it with no control, but I haven’t lowered a deadlift slowly in years.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I had a discussion with someone who casually powerlifts a while ago, and he had a theory about singles; We both agreed that the Deadlift is probably the most efficient exercise and that low reps instead of high volume are the way to go with deadlifting.
He argued that because the deadlift can injure you more easily then any other exercise, you should be extra cautious. And because the eccentric movement is even more dangerous, you should solely focus on the concentric and routinely drop the bar.
He also does low rep training that way. E.g. raise the bar, drop the bar, raise the bar…
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Don’t so it. You might damage some bars by repeatedly dropping them. which irritates gym owners.
Back in the 80’s when living in Ohio, I trained at Black’s Health World which was a powerlifting gym. I was competing in BB at the time, but decided I wanted more size and strength and looked to John Black for advice. I remember one time I was doing sets of 5 on the deadlift and as soon as the bar hit the floor I would explode back up. I remember getting yelled at for this. Years later and after working with hundreds of people, I have a wrestler I’m training that was doing the same thing. As I looked on, it dawned on me that this is the bodys natural reaction to rebound the weight back up. I think you all are correct on not trying to put emphasis the eccentric part of the movement and if you are going to pause at the bottom, I have my athletes do 8-10 singles instead of re-setting at the bottom for reps. This is for safety purposes.
eic…I see you are a Husker fan! My son is one of the 2008 commits. LB from MO.
eic…I see you are a Husker fan! My son is one of the 2008 commits. LB from MO.[/quote]
Yes, sir; definitely a Husker fan. Any chance your son is Will? In any event, I really believe your son made a good move in becoming a Husker. I knew the day Callahan was hired that it was a mistake and I knew the day Pelini was hired that it was a fantastic move. They will have at least an 8-win regular season next year with big wins over Va Tech and Kansas. Unfortunately, the team will struggle against OU and Missouri.
The entire culture of the team has already changed from what it was when Callahan was here. Pelini has been that good so far. GBR!
[quote]Power GnP wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I had a discussion with someone who casually powerlifts
Casually is the key word here.
Don’t drop the bar.[/quote]
I think we ought to clarify some things. No one (at least not many people) is advocating to actually drop the bar. That is, no one suggests that you pull the concentric, lock out, and open your hands letting the bar crash to the floor. That would be stupid.
OTOH, the suggestion is not to slow the descent either. I think what most of us are saying is to pull the bar like normal, then lower the bar by letting it more or less fall, but while still griping it. You are controlling its direction, but more or less letting gravity bring the bar down without much interference.
eic…yes,that would be Will. I’m very proud of his decision and I can tell you he is training his ass off and is studying the play book with the coaches weekly. You guys have a gem in coach Dobson. He worked under Chris Doyle. You will see a much more physical team. Pelini and coach eck as well as the rest of the coaching staff are super people. Damn right…GBR!!!
[quote]eic wrote:
2274 wrote:
IMO, this is how to “drop” a deadlift. This is how I do it.
Exactly. (Except the last one, perhaps.)[/quote]
Definitely not the last one. But I’d rather do the last rep than let the bar slip through my fingers. It’s safer for the hands. In any case, I usually don’t “drop” every rep. I do a smooth and controlled eccentric. I “drop” only when going for a PR.
[quote]Conan867 wrote:
eic…yes,that would be Will. I’m very proud of his decision and I can tell you he is training his ass off and is studying the play book with the coaches weekly. You guys have a gem in coach Dobson. He worked under Chris Doyle. You will see a much more physical team. Pelini and coach eck as well as the rest of the coaching staff are super people. Damn right…GBR!!![/quote]
Awesome. I’ll definitely keep an eye out for Will over the next few years. Physicality was lacking in last year’s team, especially at the LB position. That was a shame considering the weightroom they have at their disposal. I can’t wait for the Spring Game: “The times, they are a changin’!”
eic…maybe we can meet at the spring game. Yes…it’s going to be very exciting. I can’t wait for the Mizzou games in the next couple of years. Dobson will make good use of the weightroom.
NU’s coach Manning is in close contact with my middle son for wrestling. Real good chance he will attend NU as well. He’s a junior now. We would really like to see the brothers stick together. We’ll see. He likes MU a lot. NU took second at the Big 12 last night however. Manning has done great things with that team.
It also depends what you deadlift for, remember most powerlifting organizations state that you must “lower the bar in a controlled fashion” whether that helps your stength or hurts it, it doesn’t really matter if you deadlift to become a better powerlifter then practice lowering the bar in control.
I feel safer when lowering the bar smoothly. It gives me more control over my body, which I believe is more important than control over the bar. The important thing is to do what works best for you.
[quote]Conan867 wrote:
eic…maybe we can meet at the spring game. Yes…it’s going to be very exciting. I can’t wait for the Mizzou games in the next couple of years. Dobson will make good use of the weightroom.
NU’s coach Manning is in close contact with my middle son for wrestling. Real good chance he will attend NU as well. He’s a junior now. We would really like to see the brothers stick together. We’ll see. He likes MU a lot. NU took second at the Big 12 last night however. Manning has done great things with that team.[/quote]
Sure thing; it would be neat to meet up. That would be great if your boys could stick together. I used to workout in the same weightroom as the wrestlers. Some real athletes on that team. MU wouldn’t be bad either; just as long as none of your boys go to KSU or CU, you’ll be alright.
