Ditch the Burqua, Bitch

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
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The Amish and the Jews are fairly low impact on the areas they move into. With Muslims it’s a different story, you go out of your way to make them feel welcome and they respond by murdering people.[/quote]

Not if you are bidding against them at auction. When those Amish pool their money together they are tough to beat. I will still take them as neighbors because of their peaceful ways.

Hasidic Jews are a totally different closed society that I would prefer not to deal with. I have heard too many stories from my brother who has to deal with them.

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[quote]red bull wrote:
These are models and yes, they’re wearing abayas - not burqas.

But if we are talking about abayas…I see this look everyday, on every street, mall, coffee shop etc.

It IS semi religious/cultural dress. And yet does it look repressive or restrictive or aggressive(?) to you…?

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Repressive and restrictive, yes; aggressive no.

Are you allowed to talk to women? Can you like go to a disco and pick up a chick, how does that work over there. Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Japan has some really bad practices when it comes to human rights and the rule of law. Human trafficing is a real problem there. The police use of forced apologies in order to gain a ninety nine percent conviction rate is unprofessional and disgraceful. I’ve commented on this before. [/quote]

Yes, it does have those practices. It also has a nasty habit of executing death row inmates without even a day’s notice - to the inmate or their family.

So that’s why I asked. You would call it draconian, right?
You get my point - there just seem to be a lot of evil places in the world. Except maybe your country…or mine?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Here ya go.

And as for Wiki,they already got the word.

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I see where you’re coming from. Etymology can be a tricky business. As a general rule, I like to stick to the language that gave us the word in its current form.

Go to an Arab country, talk about a “burqua” and see if anyone understands what you’re referring to. Now, in Iran and part of Iraq, almost everybody will immediately know what you are talking about.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Repressive and restrictive, yes; aggressive no.[/quote]

Very suprised to hear that.
Nobody bats an eye over it here. That’s how they dress (most of the time) and we expats got how we dress.

It’s a non-issue…

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:

So far as I’m concerned every last Arabic immigrant with any criminal record whatsoever should be rounded up and put on a leaky boat to Gaza. With any luck they’ll sink on the way.

Any “refugee” found associating with organized crime, or committing any criminal offense whatsoever, should be sent back to their country of origin. What happens to them there is none of our concern.

ElbowStrike[/quote]

What if they have a parking ticket outstanding?

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Are you allowed to talk to women? Can you like go to a disco and pick up a chick, how does that work over there. Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that? [/quote]

mate, you can do practically anything out here. yes there quite a few odd/quirky/ridiculous/stupid/illogical laws but that’s all they are.

You pick up anthing you want! From a disco, bar, nightcub or mall. You take it back to wherever you want! Girls have boyfriends, boyfriends have girlfriends. Unmarried partners live together, go out together, stay in hotels together…

Yes, strictly speaking, by law you’re not ‘supposed’ to - but it’s not enforced. How could it be? We have a million billion tourists coming here each year. Not all of them are married!

You can do what the fuck you want. Just don’t make it drugs and don’t piss off the locals. Same as Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia…

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[quote]lixy wrote:
In any case, I’ll tell you the same thing I tell my Swedish friends who say that Sweden needs more Arabs like me and less of the “other kind”. You need to provide incentives and ditch the heavy taxations. You should quit giving away stuff that attracts leeches, and focus on rewarding hard-work. The problem you are facing is universal, and as long as you have a nanny-state, it won’t go away. Won’t fix the problem with the masses already there, but you have to start thinking long-term. Rome wasn’t built in a day, terrorism won’t be defeated by invading other countries nor immigration fixed by leaky boats.[/quote]

OMG, have you been reading Ayn Rand?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Varqanir I have already stated that I don’t think groups other than muslims should wear religious costumes either. [/quote]

Where to start?

Well, let me first ask you why you hate freedom? I mean, what the hell do you care what people wear (or do not wear)? Isn’t that the antithesis of what the USA stands for?

Then, I’ll have to point you to the Quran and the Hadith that unambiguously states that religious signs are to be discouraged. I dare you to find a single reference in the Islamic scripture to anything remotely comparable to “religious costumes”. The idea being that religious symbols are bound to create animosity and segregation in a society. In a cohesive society, what you believe is nobody’s business but your own.

Finally, let me point out that women all over the world wear scarves. If you don’t like it, though luck! Hermes will not be closing shop because you personally prefer to ogle hair. In modern times, the issue is drawing a lot of attention because some countries are forcing women to dress in a certain way, and your position is no different than them. But I ask this: Should a woman trying to express independent thinking, who doesn’t want to be treated as a sex object and who doesn’t like to spend ages fixing her hair in the morning be punished because of your wrongful perception? In a world of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, do you not understand the need of some to rebel by dressing less provocatively?

I personally feel intimidated by girls sporting a hijab. It’s not a look anybody can pull off. You’d better have porcelain skin and smooth features if you do not want to look like a dick in it. Otherwise, you’re better off drawing attention to your hair, cleavage and other parts to compensate. It’s like the shaved head look for guys. If you’re not V-shaped and dapper, I recommend you stay away from it.

[quote]There is one major difference between the Amish, the Jews and Muslims, there aren’t over a billion of either of the former but there are over a billion Muslims. With a over a billion people comes the ability to take over large areas and overwhelm indiginous populations.

The Amish and the Jews are fairly low impact on the areas they move into. With Muslims it’s a different story, you go out of your way to make them feel welcome and they respond by murdering people.[/quote]

Where are you going with this?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
So tell us Red, what is your opinion on muslims in Iraq telling Caldean women that they have to wear burquas or they will get their heads chopped off? [/quote]

A direct consequence of the US invasion.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
red bull wrote:
These are models and yes, they’re wearing abayas - not burqas.

But if we are talking about abayas…I see this look everyday, on every street, mall, coffee shop etc.

It IS semi religious/cultural dress. And yet does it look repressive or restrictive or aggressive(?) to you…?

Repressive and restrictive, yes; aggressive no.

Are you allowed to talk to women? Can you like go to a disco and pick up a chick, how does that work over there. Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that? [/quote]

Filipino ladies.

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The British are evil. The whole country has been overrun by liberals and London is home to a lot of jihadist groups.

Also when I was a kid every Christmas my grandmother used to make us watch the Queens address on the CBC and I had to stand while they played god save the Queen.

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[quote]red bull wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Are you allowed to talk to women? Can you like go to a disco and pick up a chick, how does that work over there. Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that?

mate, you can do practically anything out here. yes there quite a few odd/quirky/ridiculous/stupid/illogical laws but that’s all they are.

You pick up anthing you want! From a disco, bar, nightcub or mall. You take it back to wherever you want! Girls have boyfriends, boyfriends have girlfriends. Unmarried partners live together, go out together, stay in hotels together…

Yes, strictly speaking, by law you’re not ‘supposed’ to - but it’s not enforced. How could it be? We have a million billion tourists coming here each year. Not all of them are married!

You can do what the fuck you want. Just don’t make it drugs and don’t piss off the locals. Same as Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia… [/quote]

Would the girls even talk to a bloody yank or are Americans held in disdain? Or would they be fascinated? It’s actually not my style to pick up a chick and bang her, but I just never considered it wasn’t a possibility. Besides, if I were to do that now, my wife would probably frown on the activity.

As far as drugs, I get the whole taboo drugs being very illegal there. I.E. pot, cocaine, heroin, etc. But what about pharmacy drugs? I thought they were more readily available. I.E. you can go to the pharmacy and pick up anything you want. What about booze and tobacco? I understand that booze that it is not generally available, but is it available at all? I sure do like a good whiskey and a cigar.

Perhaps we should PM, I am genuinely interested in your experiences in Dubai. I like the first hand account from a non-local.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that? [/quote]

A rich social life that includes women, you say? Do you mean it in an promiscuous sort of way? A I-want-to-settle-down manner? Or simply looking for platonic female friends?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
In any case, I’ll tell you the same thing I tell my Swedish friends who say that Sweden needs more Arabs like me and less of the “other kind”. You need to provide incentives and ditch the heavy taxations. You should quit giving away stuff that attracts leeches, and focus on rewarding hard-work. The problem you are facing is universal, and as long as you have a nanny-state, it won’t go away. Won’t fix the problem with the masses already there, but you have to start thinking long-term. Rome wasn’t built in a day, terrorism won’t be defeated by invading other countries nor immigration fixed by leaky boats.

OMG, have you been reading Ayn Rand?

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No no, Ann Coulter…

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[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Say if, I were young and unmarried and I got a kick-ass job in Dubai and I wanted a rich social life that includes women how would one go about about that?

A rich social life that includes women, you say? Do you mean it in an promiscuous sort of way? A I-want-to-settle-down manner? Or simply looking for platonic female friends?[/quote]

Have you been to Dubai? I meant all three ways.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
In any case, I’ll tell you the same thing I tell my Swedish friends who say that Sweden needs more Arabs like me and less of the “other kind”. You need to provide incentives and ditch the heavy taxations. You should quit giving away stuff that attracts leeches, and focus on rewarding hard-work. The problem you are facing is universal, and as long as you have a nanny-state, it won’t go away. Won’t fix the problem with the masses already there, but you have to start thinking long-term. Rome wasn’t built in a day, terrorism won’t be defeated by invading other countries nor immigration fixed by leaky boats.

OMG, have you been reading Ayn Rand? [/quote]

Been on my to-do list for a few months now. But with all the time I spend on this board, I never got around to it.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Yes I would say that Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia are draconian. They execute people for drug posession there. In Singapore the police are allowed to torture confessions out of people. If you scratch beneath the surface of the nice fancy skyscrapers Singapore is a repressive dictatorship. [/quote]

Actually, they don’t execute people for drug possession.

A dude I used to know was stupid enough to try and bring eight ounces of marijuana across the bridge from Johor Bahru, Malaysia. Naturally, he got caught (anyone who knows what eight ounces of marijuana looks like, knows that it’s not easy to hide it on your person in the tropics). This was in 2000. He is, as far as I know, still in Changi prison, quite unexecuted, but with several stripes on his ass from a rattan cane.

What they will execute you for is trafficking drugs, or possession of a quantity and quality of drugs that would indicate you are trafficking drugs. My acquaintance was lucky enough to have been caught with really low-quality dope, so they figured he couldn’t have been a mule for an actual dealer.

So… a society that tortures prisoners, metes out extremely severe punishment for drug offenses, and applies liberal use of the death penalty would be, in your estimation, a draconian society, correct?

I see.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Yes I would say that Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia are draconian. They execute people for drug posession there. In Singapore the police are allowed to torture confessions out of people. If you scratch beneath the surface of the nice fancy skyscrapers Singapore is a repressive dictatorship.

Actually, they don’t execute people for drug possession.

A dude I used to know was stupid enough to try and bring eight ounces of marijuana across the bridge from Johor Bahru, Malaysia. Naturally, he got caught (anyone who knows what eight ounces of marijuana looks like, knows that it’s not easy to hide it on your person in the tropics). This was in 2000. He is, as far as I know, still in Changi prison, quite unexecuted, but with several stripes on his ass from a rattan cane.

What they will execute you for is trafficking drugs, or possession of a quantity and quality of drugs that would indicate you are trafficking drugs. My acquaintance was lucky enough to have been caught with really low-quality dope, so they figured he couldn’t have been a mule for an actual dealer.

So… a society that tortures prisoners, metes out extremely severe punishment for drug offenses, and applies liberal use of the death penalty would be, in your estimation, a draconian society, correct?

I see.[/quote]

You have to admit Singapore is well known for dolling out harsh punishments for petty crimes. Sure they have no crime one still has to live in fear of the police. No thanks.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Yes I would say that Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia are draconian. They execute people for drug posession there. In Singapore the police are allowed to torture confessions out of people. If you scratch beneath the surface of the nice fancy skyscrapers Singapore is a repressive dictatorship.

Actually, they don’t execute people for drug possession.

A dude I used to know was stupid enough to try and bring eight ounces of marijuana across the bridge from Johor Bahru, Malaysia. Naturally, he got caught (anyone who knows what eight ounces of marijuana looks like, knows that it’s not easy to hide it on your person in the tropics). This was in 2000. He is, as far as I know, still in Changi prison, quite unexecuted, but with several stripes on his ass from a rattan cane.

What they will execute you for is trafficking drugs, or possession of a quantity and quality of drugs that would indicate you are trafficking drugs. My acquaintance was lucky enough to have been caught with really low-quality dope, so they figured he couldn’t have been a mule for an actual dealer.

So… a society that tortures prisoners, metes out extremely severe punishment for drug offenses, and applies liberal use of the death penalty would be, in your estimation, a draconian society, correct?

I see.

You have to admit Singapore is well known for dolling out harsh punishments for petty crimes. Sure they have no crime one still has to live in fear of the police. No thanks.[/quote]

I guess the irony is lost on you.