Two British women. Can you tell which one is Muslim?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Wearing religious uniforms is an age old practice that is done by many religions. I think it is something that all religions need to move away from. It is no different from the Crips and the Bloods wearing Blue or red, showing their colors. The old Ice T line “hey fight me, cause I’m ready to fight and die for my colors” comes to mind, when I see people wearing their religious uniform.[/quote]
Maybe we should do away with national flags, then, too.
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
To be more fair I’ll use the label “Arabic” as that is more accurate. You are correct in that I cannot tell they are Muslim simply by looking at them. [/quote]
Excellent!
Like I said, I sympathize with what you’ve been through, and were I in your place, I’d move away from that neighborhood.
Teens will be teens. I’ve seen worse happen. There are plenty of “American schools” around the Arab world, and trust me, kids of the expats can be just as bratty as anyone else.
I wouldn’t read too much into the male-female thing though.
I imagine you shock then.
You mean that she’s cast away? Who threatens her? Her previous “male friends”? Or the new “Arabic guy”?
Here you go again with the “Muslim” label? In Islam, harassment and/or beating people up are severely frowned upon.
[quote]How dare she not submit to the Arabic males? After all she’s a Western whore and should spread her legs for anyone, right? Right?!
Despicable. [/quote]
You said it brother.
As much as we love our testosterone, it can be responsible for some pretty bad things at times.
So long as they don’t name it “The Islamic Problem”…
Now you’re just splitting hairs. I’ve done my fair share of spray painting in washrooms. Hell, we even stay late one day to draw in a giant Che right in the classroom.
And I am firmly proud to be among the supporters of these Danish dudes and freedom of expression.
http://www.fightersandlovers.org/2007/09/real-stuff.html
You mean association with crime that’s condemned by every religion I of?
I would be most interested in seeing any source you can throw my way. Not that I’m not taking your word; merely trying to see the amplitude of those figures.
Drugs? Yeah, there’s something encouraged in Islam.
[quote]- Arabic students piling into minivans to go into the Jewish neighbourhood to randomly attack people. Yes, this actually happens. Regularly. I’m not making this up.
They essentially decided to turn a nice, peaceful corner of Canada into a violent, shit-storm microcosm of Israel and Palestine. [/quote]
And what do you regular people do? Stand there watching innocent people getting beat up? Looks to me like you are tolerating too much crap.
You should be proactive about it. Racial crimes are among the most destructive to a the welfare of a melting-pot society such as Canada’s. Crack some head already!
[quote]- By contrast, all dozen or so members of the Muslim Students’ Association were on the honour roll and took the majority of the student academic awards. The valedictorian was Muslim 2 out of 3 of my high school years.
Perhaps the devout Muslims are not the ones we should be worried about, but the ignorant masses who call themselves Muslim, but abandon its values when it conflicts with savage aspecs of Arab culture, or generally whenever they see fit. [/quote]
Like I said, the things you describe are common place in any place with a large concentration of refugees. Arab culture isn’t what’s pushing those kids to deal drugs. It’s probably 50 cents and his acolytes. Beating up Jews? They probably hold them responsible for their plight, and having been forced to leave their lands and loved ones at gunpoint.
It’s a complicated world we live in. Arab culture has a bunch of problems. But so does any other. The best way to describe the problem would be in socio-economic terms, not with religious affiliation.
[quote]So far as I’m concerned every last Arabic immigrant with any criminal record whatsoever should be rounded up and put on a leaky boat to Gaza. With any luck they’ll sink on the way.
Any “refugee” found associating with organized crime, or committing any criminal offense whatsoever, should be sent back to their country of origin. What happens to them there is none of our concern. [/quote]
How exactly do you plan on doing that? A lot of them are probably citizens by now.
In any case, I’ll tell you the same thing I tell my Swedish friends who say that Sweden needs more Arabs like me and less of the “other kind”. You need to provide incentives and ditch the heavy taxations. You should quit giving away stuff that attracts leeches, and focus on rewarding hard-work. The problem you are facing is universal, and as long as you have a nanny-state, it won’t go away. Won’t fix the problem with the masses already there, but you have to start thinking long-term. Rome wasn’t built in a day, terrorism won’t be defeated by invading other countries nor immigration fixed by leaky boats.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Oh, and Lixy, I hate to contradict you about your native language, but the word burqa actually does derive from the Arabic verb barqa’a, to veil or cover.[/quote]
I hate to contradict you too, but there is consensus on the matter. Barqa’a is Persian.
You’re welcome to enrich the Wiki with any new material that might suggest otherwise though.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Oh, and Lixy, I hate to contradict you about your native language, but the word burqa actually does derive from the Arabic verb barqa’a, to veil or cover.
I hate to contradict you too, but there is consensus on the matter. Barqa’a is Persian.
You’re welcome to enrich the Wiki with any new material that might suggest otherwise though.
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Here ya go.
And as for Wiki,they already got the word.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Rome wasn’t built in a day, terrorism won’t be defeated by invading other countries nor immigration fixed by leaky boats.[/quote]
But Rome was defeated in a day, by immigrant terrorist invaders in leaky boats.
Nice posts Varqanir.
And thanks for the ‘diagram’ - it is very very useful.
The original article was focusing on burqas.
But again, I have a suspicion that some of the posters find even the hijab or the shayla wierd, restrictive, just ‘too much’…
But really, they are such a non-issue! Everyday I see young girls or women wearing one casually draped over their hear, with the rest of their body dressed in totally western clothes. Sometimes they’ll arrange their hair so it’s showing just a little (or a little more, it depends on the girl!) to be a bit ‘daring’!
These things come in paterns, the girls color match! And with the shayla, nearly all of the local chicks here stick swaroski crystals on them - they look beautiful.
Yes, beautiful. Totally elegant, and sexy.
I DON’T like the niqab or the burqa. I think both of them are just that little bridge too far. Also I specifically think that young muslim girls/teens should NOT wear them.
But the other stuff? Man it is so fuckin ordinary once you know ‘these people’ - in any meaningful way…
Elbow Strike, you might want to keep in mind that of the Lebanese immigrants to Canada, roughly half are Christian.
That might account for the drugs and crime.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
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Ok, it looks like I shot myself in the foot here. Don’t necesarily agree with the flaming idiot part though.
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I will take back either the flaming or the idiot. Your choice.
Yes I would say that Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia are draconian. They execute people for drug posession there. In Singapore the police are allowed to torture confessions out of people. If you scratch beneath the surface of the nice fancy skyscrapers Singapore is a repressive dictatorship.
These are models and yes, they’re wearing abayas - not burqas.
But if we are talking about abayas…I see this look everyday, on every street, mall, coffee shop etc.
It IS semi religious/cultural dress. And yet does it look repressive or restrictive or aggressive(?) to you…?
The chicks here love to wear this stuff…
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
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Back on topic, above are the various veils and headscarves in question, just so we all know what we’re talking about.
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Can the niqab be worn with western clothes? Is it just the head covering or is the full body robe part of it?
I have seen a number of women with the head/face covered but with conservative westernized clothing.
Varqanir I have already stated that I don’t think groups other than muslims should wear religious costumes either.
There is one major difference between the Amish, the Jews and Muslims, there aren’t over a billion of either of the former but there are over a billion Muslims. With a over a billion people comes the ability to take over large areas and overwhelm indiginous populations.
The Amish and the Jews are fairly low impact on the areas they move into. With Muslims it’s a different story, you go out of your way to make them feel welcome and they respond by murdering people.
So tell us Red, what is your opinion on muslims in Iraq telling Caldean women that they have to wear burquas or they will get their heads chopped off? Do you think they love that? And what of all the muslim women who have been victims of violence for not wearing burquas? Do you think that women at the university of Kabul loved it when mullah Omar used to throw sulfuric acid in their faces if they were seen not wearing burquas? What about muslim women in Paris who get gang raped for not wearing burquas, do you think they love that?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Yes I would say that Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia are draconian. They execute people for drug posession there. In Singapore the police are allowed to torture confessions out of people. If you scratch beneath the surface of the nice fancy skyscrapers Singapore is a repressive dictatorship. [/quote]
I think that’s quite harsh mate…
To call these places draconian - well I guess a lot of people must like living and holidaying in hell…
‘A little controlled/strict’ or ‘deadly serious on drugs’ etc etc…those are more of the phrases that spring to mind imo…
Btw, sifu, have got to ask - do you also consider Japan to be repressive and draconian too?
[quote]Sifu wrote:
So tell us Red, what is your opinion on muslims in Iraq telling Caldean women that they have to wear burquas or they will get their heads chopped off? Do you think they love that? And what of all the muslim women who have been victims of violence for not wearing burquas? Do you think that women at the university of Kabul loved it when mullah Omar used to throw sulfuric acid in their faces if they were seen not wearing burquas? What about muslim women in Paris who get gang raped for not wearing burquas, do you think they love that? [/quote]
No of course not. I don’t like burqas (um, or unlawful acts of violence). I think I’ve said that quite a few times.
You’re off on a rant mate. That’s fine, just as long as you realise it…
Japan has some really bad practices when it comes to human rights and the rule of law. Human trafficing is a real problem there. The police use of forced apologies in order to gain a ninety nine percent conviction rate is unprofessional and disgraceful. I’ve commented on this before.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Two British women. Can you tell which one is Muslim?[/quote]
Yes, the one on the left.