no basketball, tennis, golf, race car drivers, ping pong, ext ext don’t juice. Its pretty much just football, lifting, baseball, wrestling. Also a lot of them DON’T also like quarterbacks, pitchers ext, skill positions. The drugs are NOT going to make you a professional period. Also most of the steroids they use are just to prolong their career for the most part.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
The shocking issue isn’t that they are used for competitive sports, but average joe’s use them to get ripped, models, actors are all using it.
You can’t tell anymore who is using (wrongly) and who is doing things right.
Who cares why someone uses. Why is athletics sort of good, while aesthetics not? I really don’t care why people use. It’s sounds to me like bitchy girls who couldn’t afford breast implants.
When you get a little older, you normally don’t care why people do what they do as long as it doesn’t affect you in any way.
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What I don’t get is why anyone gives a shit about what other people do at ANY age in their life.
And that’s cause I aint that old!! 
[quote]actionjeff wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
If your against it then make it your goal in lifting to get stronger and bigger then the guys using by not using.You want motivation then look to the old timers from the 20s through the 50s.Those guys didnt use they just lifted heavy as fuck and ate a ton and still managed to lift some impressive amounts of weight.They didnt have creatine or any BCAAs or protien supps back then,they had milk meat and alot of heart. Thats all you really need.
That’s what I do man. I’ve always said I’d never do steroids, I am strong and driven and everything will fall into place for me if I push for it, that’s how I try to approach things in life- but all of this stuff is just real discouraging and makes me question myself.
I’m not competitive where I’d be in a position to worry about elite athletes juicing whooping my ass or anything, but I plan on being in the future and It’ll be an issue. I’m just thinking about the long haul and the implications of putting so much time and energy into a thing like this.
Maybe one of the reasons weightlifting and strength sports aren’t so mainstream nowadays is people getting discouraged about this kind of thing, instead of inspired
thx for the good responses all
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Weight sports aren’t more main stream because the average joe finds it as about exciting as watching grass grow, not due to drugs. If you don’t think guys in the NFL use, America’s most popular sport, you’re mistaken.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
actionjeff wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
If your against it then make it your goal in lifting to get stronger and bigger then the guys using by not using.You want motivation then look to the old timers from the 20s through the 50s.Those guys didnt use they just lifted heavy as fuck and ate a ton and still managed to lift some impressive amounts of weight.They didnt have creatine or any BCAAs or protien supps back then,they had milk meat and alot of heart. Thats all you really need.
That’s what I do man. I’ve always said I’d never do steroids, I am strong and driven and everything will fall into place for me if I push for it, that’s how I try to approach things in life- but all of this stuff is just real discouraging and makes me question myself.
I’m not competitive where I’d be in a position to worry about elite athletes juicing whooping my ass or anything, but I plan on being in the future and It’ll be an issue. I’m just thinking about the long haul and the implications of putting so much time and energy into a thing like this.
Maybe one of the reasons weightlifting and strength sports aren’t so mainstream nowadays is people getting discouraged about this kind of thing, instead of inspired
thx for the good responses all
Weight sports aren’t more main stream because the average joe finds it as about exciting as watching grass grow, not due to drugs. If you don’t think guys in the NFL use, America’s most popular sport, you’re mistaken.
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The level of strength required to be the best you can be in the NFL is attainable by most everyone in the NFL without steroids. Its not like they’re going for 1000lb squats or that will even make much difference vs a 600lb squat, which is attainable for the elite genetic freaks of strength w/o juice.
That said, it certainly doesnt hurt and likely helps alot as the season wears on, and i wouldnt be surprised if 95% or 2% were using. I also wouldnt be surprised if a lot of those guys are like andy bolton with a 600lb deadlift from fucking running sprints, and hitting a tackling sled.
The only thing that bugs me about steroids is everybody thinking that you don’t have to work hard for it. I hate it when people say stuff like “well if I took AAS I’d be as strong as you too”. Not only am I natural, but I also am not that strong in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t have anything against guys who juice, and I am very much considering it at some point down the road. It just bugs me when people look down on the 7 years of hard work and consistent eating that I put in because they think I’m on and that one injection of AAS make you like freakin’ Hercules. Way to cheapen my hard work.
I’d have to say a 600 lb deadlift or squat is perfectly attainable for normal non genetic freaks if they want to dedicate a long period of time to getting it. I’m pretty sure I rank way down there in terms of genetics, but I’m making it happen for me through sheer hard work.
And I know a bunch of other normal “joes” that are doing the same thing. So don’t get too down OP. You can make it happen regardless, it just takes more thinking, analyzing, and consistency.
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using.
Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
[quote]romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.[/quote]
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.
[quote]shizen wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.[/quote]
And a 152.5kg snatch probably isn’t impressive either so? FFS it’s one hundred and fifty fucking kilos!!!
IMO, Coan was weightlifting’s Naim.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
The shocking issue isn’t that they are used for competitive sports, but average joe’s use them to get ripped, models, actors are all using it.
You can’t tell anymore who is using (wrongly) and who is doing things right.
Who cares why someone uses. Why is athletics sort of good, while aesthetics not? I really don’t care why people use. It’s sounds to me like bitchy girls who couldn’t afford breast implants.
When you get a little older, you normally don’t care why people do what they do as long as it doesn’t affect you in any way.
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Actually, when you have “kids” of your own you will understand…
i was disillusioned when i started competing as a heavy weight in grappling competitions. Most of the big guys i was against blantantly juiced (usually bouncers who watched too much UFC) also alot of these guys where generally compensating for lack of skill.
Since i moved to Pl’ing the same divide exsists, but generally these guys are smart with it because becoming proficient takes absolute dedication.
[quote]shizen wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.[/quote]
midget lifters? The guy weighed 60 kilos and clean and jerked 190. Have you seen that video? It looks like he can barely break the bar off the ground, and when he jerks you can actually see his body buckle and almost collapse from the pressure, its unbelievable. Not impressed… lol
[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
tom63 wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
The shocking issue isn’t that they are used for competitive sports, but average joe’s use them to get ripped, models, actors are all using it.
You can’t tell anymore who is using (wrongly) and who is doing things right.
Who cares why someone uses. Why is athletics sort of good, while aesthetics not? I really don’t care why people use. It’s sounds to me like bitchy girls who couldn’t afford breast implants.
When you get a little older, you normally don’t care why people do what they do as long as it doesn’t affect you in any way.
Actually, when you have “kids” of your own you will understand…
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I have kids what’s your point? I don’t see how it relates at all.
[quote]shizen wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.[/quote]
midget? Technically no, he was 5’0. Midget status is 4’10 or 4’11 as far as I know.
So he is short, the best deadlifters are generally taller too. The guy is MADE to do olympic lifting. He has snatched 2.5kg over 2.5 times his bodyweight. He THEN went on to clean and jerk 10kg over 3 times his bodyweight. Most guys his weight dream of deadlifting that much weight.
like said before, he is pushing the absolute limits of the human body when he clean and jerked 190. But even so, its said he has cleaned and jerked 200 in training.
He’s marked as one of the top 10 athletes of all time.
[quote]romanaz wrote:
shizen wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.
midget? Technically no, he was 5’0. Midget status is 4’10 or 4’11 as far as I know.
So he is short, the best deadlifters are generally taller too. The guy is MADE to do olympic lifting. He has snatched 2.5kg over 2.5 times his bodyweight. He THEN went on to clean and jerk 10kg over 3 times his bodyweight. Most guys his weight dream of deadlifting that much weight.
like said before, he is pushing the absolute limits of the human body when he clean and jerked 190. But even so, its said he has cleaned and jerked 200 in training.
He’s marked as one of the top 10 athletes of all time. [/quote]
yeah to each his own I thought he was shorter actually, but yeah no doubt he was good. I’m just more impressed with the 85kg and above classes. Just like I find heavyweight fights better the light weights, its just preference. Also I don’t know if you could call him top 10 athlete, weightlifter yes.
[quote]evansmi wrote:
I’m going to Iraq in January, and when I get back I’ll be looking for a job in law enforcement.
Now theres a dilemma for ya.
On the one hand, I’ve got more than enough reason to want that edge. For me its not about competitiveness, I just want to be as strong as possible to reduce the risks.
On the other hand, If I did get caught it would jeopardize my future in law enforcement.
Now I’ve heard that the military doesn’t test for that, but even so, I don’t know where to get it or have a mentor to show me how to use it so I guess I’m shit outta luck.
All things considered, I would if I could.[/quote]
A cop on roids?? You have no future in Law enforcement.
I can tell you they once busted a cop for that in my country and he was gone permanently. You cant fuckin use illegal substances and be a police officer for christ sake!
[quote]Deus vult wrote:
evansmi wrote:
I’m going to Iraq in January, and when I get back I’ll be looking for a job in law enforcement.
Now theres a dilemma for ya.
On the one hand, I’ve got more than enough reason to want that edge. For me its not about competitiveness, I just want to be as strong as possible to reduce the risks.
On the other hand, If I did get caught it would jeopardize my future in law enforcement.
Now I’ve heard that the military doesn’t test for that, but even so, I don’t know where to get it or have a mentor to show me how to use it so I guess I’m shit outta luck.
All things considered, I would if I could.
A cop on roids?? You have no future in Law enforcement.
I can tell you they once busted a cop for that in my country and he was gone permanently. You cant fuckin use illegal substances and be a police officer for christ sake!
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There are a lot of cops who use beleive it or not.
Wasn’t Ronnie a cop? Or reserve at least…
Ronnie was still working full time until about 2003. Ronnie’s all natural though.
It bothers me that elite athletes of all stripes are basically forced to use if they want to be competitive at that level. I think it should really be a personal choice, and it would be nice if there was workable regulation such that people at the highest echelons of sports did not have to use. But I’ve growing reconciled that this is not the way of the world. At least they can choose whether or not they want to compete at the level and undertake all the necessary steps to get there [even though i don’t think steroid use should be one of those necessary steps. But that’s where we are].
[quote]shizen wrote:
romanaz wrote:
Lets be frank. In the area of Olympic style weightlifting, its an even playing field, everyone is on something. Now, with olympic lifting, you see different styles of training and see who has lifters in what class (generally) and you can tell what type of steroid they are using. Obviously the Bulgarians use a different kind then the Russians, they train completely differently, and the majority of their lifters are in different ends of the weight spectrum.
Now, speaking of Naim Suleymanglu, he is probably a one time freak in the sport. I doubt we will ever see someone like him again. Cmon, the guy was probably 100% white muscle fiber. He snatched 2x bodyweight and clean and jerked 3x bodyweight at 16 years old! The thing is too, near the end he didn’t want to do it anymore.
so, they all do it. Big deal. World is not a worse place
pic looks like its 130kg or so… at age 16… in the 56kg class…
He did 130/160 as a 56, and 152.5/190 as a 60… no matter the steriods or such, we won’t see another one of him again.
Prob just me but there is something oddly not impressive with midget lifters.[/quote]
I think it’s pretty impressive. Being THAT short, he probably got the genetic short end of the stick in other ways, too. Despite that, look what he was able to do and overcome.