Hey I bought some bacon salt, the bottle says everything should taste like bacon and well, I agree.
Can’t wait to rub it on my chicken breast.
That’s right, bitch at someone for posing an honest question. On a site that, from the appearance, looks as if it advocates intelligent fitness and muscle-building discussion, most of you come off as angry teenagers seeking validation.
But to address the topic, the primary hindrance to being “big” or having a lot of lean muscle mass is it can effect gait and endurance in aerobic activity, specifically running. Take someone who does a lot of squats (“ass to grass” is the buzz-word you all use, I think), deadlifts, good mornings, etc., and you have a guy with bulky thighs that rub together while walking.
Personally, I all but abandoned the quest to “get frickin’ huge” a while back in favor of overall fitness and a focus on running. I think that being bulky can interfere with running gait and especially endurance. I’m sure most of you will “poo-poo” anyone who jogs for more than 5 minutes, but I think that, in terms of overall quality of life and cardiovascular/pulmonary fitness, being very muscular can have it’s disadvantages.
LOL at “relentless pursuit of muscle”.
Most of these people haven’t done anything “relentlessly” in their entire lives.
Hey, let’s change the name to “relentless influx of people who don’t stand out as they shit on those who have that as a goal”.
Damn…that might not look as good on a t-shirt.
[quote]MR_TIGGUMS wrote:
But to address the topic, the primary hindrance to being “big” or having a lot of lean muscle mass is it can effect gait and endurance in aerobic activity, specifically running.[/quote]
Like all those puny sprinters you see who never do any weight training.
There was a triple-jumper called Jonathan Edwards who used to do the sprint coaching for a club in Britain. He could clean 150kg, squat about 230kg at about 75kg BW. I guess if he layed off the weight training he could’ve won a few more gold medals and could’ve improved on those world records.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL at “relentless pursuit of muscle”.
Most of these people haven’t done anything “relentlessly” in their entire lives.
Hey, let’s change the name to “relentless influx of people who don’t stand out as they shit on those who have that as a goal”.
Damn…that might not look as good on a t-shirt.[/quote]
Yeah, way too long…
how about “Fucktional Muscles Bitches!”
[quote]MR_TIGGUMS wrote:
That’s right, bitch at someone for posing an honest question. On a site that, from the appearance, looks as if it advocates intelligent fitness and muscle-building discussion, most of you come off as angry teenagers seeking validation.
But to address the topic, the primary hindrance to being “big” or having a lot of lean muscle mass is it can effect gait and endurance in aerobic activity, specifically running. Take someone who does a lot of squats (“ass to grass” is the buzz-word you all use, I think), deadlifts, good mornings, etc., and you have a guy with bulky thighs that rub together while walking.
Personally, I all but abandoned the quest to “get frickin’ huge” a while back in favor of overall fitness and a focus on running. I think that being bulky can interfere with running gait and especially endurance. I’m sure most of you will “poo-poo” anyone who jogs for more than 5 minutes, but I think that, in terms of overall quality of life and cardiovascular/pulmonary fitness, being very muscular can have it’s disadvantages.[/quote]
Oh shut the hell up Alffi junior. For the others I suggest while reading this post, you watch this video with the volume turned up high for more effect. - YouTube .
27 reasons to be big.
Worst part about being big is that once you get big you cant sit around and complain about all the people bigger than you.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
MR_TIGGUMS wrote:
But to address the topic, the primary hindrance to being “big” or having a lot of lean muscle mass is it can effect gait and endurance in aerobic activity, specifically running.
Like all those puny sprinters you see who never do any weight training.
There was a triple-jumper called Jonathan Edwards who used to do the sprint coaching for a club in Britain. He could clean 150kg, squat about 230kg at about 75kg BW. I guess if he layed off the weight training he could’ve won a few more gold medals and could’ve improved on those world records.[/quote]Yeah. I also know of a finnish female triple jumper who allegedly cleaned close to 100kg on her first attempt ever. What these people have in common is freak genetics for fast twitch activity. They’re still puny by the standards of any bodybuilder although they can move the same weights.
Besides, those are demonstrations of strength and power and not evidence of training in themselves.
Besides, endurance and jogging and the anaerobic activities you’re talking about are very different beasts.
Alffi
you sr obviously rarely trains, and never did train seriously. You speak of your past injuries, which are the result of bad training. But then go on to suggest that because of those injuries weightraining is “bad/disadvantageous”. You speak of wear-&-tear on the joints, and loss of flexibility. You then speculates on how bulking damages self-esteem and pull-out some study of how eating little is good for longevity.
wtf dude?
A lifter’s joints get torn and looses flexibility when he trains like an idiot. And a lifter damages his self-esteem via bulking because he ate like an idiot.
I could go on listing specific examples of shitty training programs and their effects on joints. I could also list shitty diet/bulking/weightloss programs but I ain’t gonna waste my time. There are too many articles on this site listing discussing those issues.
I suggest you read them, eat properly & nutritiously, train smart and consistently. Then talk. (also check out local Olympic weightlifting meets so you can see the grandpas snatching and squatting ATG)
[quote]Neospartan wrote:
Alffi
you sr obviously rarely trains, and never did train seriously. You speak of your past injuries, which are the result of bad training. But then go on to suggest that because of those injuries weightraining is “bad/disadvantageous”. You speak of wear-&-tear on the joints, and loss of flexibility. You then speculates on how bulking damages self-esteem and pull-out some study of how eating little is good for longevity.
wtf dude?
A lifter’s joints get torn and looses flexibility when he trains like an idiot. And a lifter damages his self-esteem via bulking because he ate like an idiot.
I could go on listing specific examples of shitty training programs and their effects on joints. I could also list shitty diet/bulking/weightloss programs but I ain’t gonna waste my time. There are too many articles on this site listing discussing those issues.
I suggest you read them, eat properly & nutritiously, train smart and consistently. Then talk. (also check out local Olympic weightlifting meets so you can see the grandpas snatching and squatting ATG)
[/quote]
I think a lot of people kind of took my writing wrong. It’s not meant to discourage but it’s more a question like “Hey, did you ever think about these as factors of any significance and do you ever have doubts about what you’re doing?”
Take it as a hypothesis. I believe I would enjoy being skinny as a sort of return to innocence as well as the feeling of lightness I associate with being an injury free, naturally flexible kid again. However, if I thought the burdens of training were that overwhelming, then I would have stopped it and I have so far not done that so I don’t think I’m pulling people down by example.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time training. I started from the bottom, very skinny. Virtually never went into a gym, just had my own equipment. I never had a squat rack so last winter as well as summer I would enter the nearby woods and squat a fallen tree attached by the roots, which I would first have to clean on my neck. It was harsh especially winter time, and I carried a heavy backbag into which I incrementally added a small plate or related weight for every next session as the tree would get too light. Just walking to the tree through the snow was exhausting with all that weight.
That tree is jammed now so I now use pallets with rope attached plates and elaborate leverage trickery to make it heavy for me.
Not trying to sound like a big bad ass saying that and somebody will probably think that’s retarded but I think it illustrates some degree of commitment.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Neospartan wrote:
Alffi
you sr obviously rarely trains, and never did train seriously. You speak of your past injuries, which are the result of bad training. But then go on to suggest that because of those injuries weightraining is “bad/disadvantageous”. You speak of wear-&-tear on the joints, and loss of flexibility. You then speculates on how bulking damages self-esteem and pull-out some study of how eating little is good for longevity.
wtf dude?
A lifter’s joints get torn and looses flexibility when he trains like an idiot. And a lifter damages his self-esteem via bulking because he ate like an idiot.
I could go on listing specific examples of shitty training programs and their effects on joints. I could also list shitty diet/bulking/weightloss programs but I ain’t gonna waste my time. There are too many articles on this site listing discussing those issues.
I suggest you read them, eat properly & nutritiously, train smart and consistently. Then talk. (also check out local Olympic weightlifting meets so you can see the grandpas snatching and squatting ATG)
I think a lot of people kind of took my writing wrong. It’s not meant to discourage but it’s more a question like “Hey, did you ever think about these as factors of any significance and do you ever have doubts about what you’re doing?”
Take it as a hypothesis. I believe I would enjoy being skinny as a sort of return to innocence as well as the feeling of lightness I associate with being an injury free, naturally flexible kid again. However, if I thought the burdens of training were that overwhelming, then I would have stopped it and I have so far not done that so I don’t think I’m pulling people down by example.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time training. I started from the bottom, very skinny. Virtually never went into a gym, just had my own equipment. I never had a squat rack so last winter as well as summer I would enter the nearby woods and squat a fallen tree attached by the roots, which I would first have to clean on my neck. It was harsh especially winter time, and I carried a heavy backbag into which I incrementally added a small plate or related weight for every next session as the tree would get too light. Just walking to the tree through the snow was exhausting with all that weight.
That tree is jammed now so I now use pallets with rope attached plates and elaborate leverage trickery to make it heavy for me.
Not trying to sound like a big bad ass saying that and somebody will probably think that’s retarded but I think it illustrates some degree of commitment.
[/quote]
Cool story. But I think this goes to show how much of a pussy you are for quitting. You were a badass? Shit if that shit was true, you are the baddest man on the plannet and Fedor ain’t got nothing on you!
Clean and pressing a rooted tree and squatting it for reps in deep fucking snow? Bad ass. So why would you give up being a badass mofo? So you can run marathons, be a skinny anorexic and wear skinny jeans so you can show off your newly trimmed ass?
Not meant to discourage? You just dropped a thread with some off the wall generalizations/assumptions. That only apply to a minute group of people in the lifting world (guys who abuse steroids,and people who think they can bulk up on ding dongs, donuts and everything in sight for years with no consequence)
Are you mad you did shit wrong and turned into a fat blob with no real results? If not, post a pic and show me the physique brought forth from your “degree of commitment”. I mean you seem so knowledgeable about the disadvantages.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Neospartan wrote:
Alffi
you sr obviously rarely trains, and never did train seriously. You speak of your past injuries, which are the result of bad training. But then go on to suggest that because of those injuries weightraining is “bad/disadvantageous”. You speak of wear-&-tear on the joints, and loss of flexibility. You then speculates on how bulking damages self-esteem and pull-out some study of how eating little is good for longevity.
wtf dude?
A lifter’s joints get torn and looses flexibility when he trains like an idiot. And a lifter damages his self-esteem via bulking because he ate like an idiot.
I could go on listing specific examples of shitty training programs and their effects on joints. I could also list shitty diet/bulking/weightloss programs but I ain’t gonna waste my time. There are too many articles on this site listing discussing those issues.
I suggest you read them, eat properly & nutritiously, train smart and consistently. Then talk. (also check out local Olympic weightlifting meets so you can see the grandpas snatching and squatting ATG)
I think a lot of people kind of took my writing wrong. It’s not meant to discourage but it’s more a question like “Hey, did you ever think about these as factors of any significance and do you ever have doubts about what you’re doing?”
Take it as a hypothesis. I believe I would enjoy being skinny as a sort of return to innocence as well as the feeling of lightness I associate with being an injury free, naturally flexible kid again. However, if I thought the burdens of training were that overwhelming, then I would have stopped it and I have so far not done that so I don’t think I’m pulling people down by example.
I’ve spent a fair amount of time training. I started from the bottom, very skinny. Virtually never went into a gym, just had my own equipment. I never had a squat rack so last winter as well as summer I would enter the nearby woods and squat a fallen tree attached by the roots, which I would first have to clean on my neck. It was harsh especially winter time, and I carried a heavy backbag into which I incrementally added a small plate or related weight for every next session as the tree would get too light. Just walking to the tree through the snow was exhausting with all that weight.
That tree is jammed now so I now use pallets with rope attached plates and elaborate leverage trickery to make it heavy for me.
Not trying to sound like a big bad ass saying that and somebody will probably think that’s retarded but I think it illustrates some degree of commitment.
[/quote]
Lool yer nice story Bro, does beg the question why are you here if you never actually properly started lifting or want to for that matter. I don’t think squatting a part of a tree counts as training properly.
I like to lift, and I like to eat. I am never going to be over 220 (I’m 6’2"), and I don’t really want to be. I know I could probably live longer if I did the calorie restriction thing for the rest of my life, but honestly, that just isn’t living to me.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
MR_TIGGUMS wrote:
But to address the topic, the primary hindrance to being “big” or having a lot of lean muscle mass is it can effect gait and endurance in aerobic activity, specifically running.
Like all those puny sprinters you see who never do any weight training.
There was a triple-jumper called Jonathan Edwards who used to do the sprint coaching for a club in Britain. He could clean 150kg, squat about 230kg at about 75kg BW. I guess if he layed off the weight training he could’ve won a few more gold medals and could’ve improved on those world records.[/quote]
I wasn’t aware sprinting was an aerobic endurance activity.
I’m talking about running, not sprinting.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
Not meant to discourage? You just dropped a thread with some off the wall generalizations/assumptions. That only apply to a minute group of people in the lifting world (guys who abuse steroids,and people who think they can bulk up on ding dongs, donuts and everything in sight for years with no consequence)
Are you mad you did shit wrong and turned into a fat blob with no real results? If not, post a pic and show me the physique brought forth from your “degree of commitment”. I mean you seem so knowledgeable about the disadvantages. [/quote]
I think you’re being slightly obtuse here.
So it’s only the junk food stuffers that ever gain any undesired fat? I did not say obesity is to be expected, but fat gain is fat gain etc.
I think you’re truly smart enough to figure out the rest of the points on your own if you wish to. Perhaps the disadvantages are small and it is up to everyone to decide what is a good ratio of costs and pay but to strongly believe that there must not categorically be any downsides to strenuous, progressive lifting seems naive.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Carlitosway wrote:
Not meant to discourage? You just dropped a thread with some off the wall generalizations/assumptions. That only apply to a minute group of people in the lifting world (guys who abuse steroids,and people who think they can bulk up on ding dongs, donuts and everything in sight for years with no consequence)
Are you mad you did shit wrong and turned into a fat blob with no real results? If not, post a pic and show me the physique brought forth from your “degree of commitment”. I mean you seem so knowledgeable about the disadvantages.
I think you’re being slightly obtuse here.
So it’s only the junk food stuffers that ever gain any undesired fat? I did not say obesity is to be expected, but fat gain is fat gain etc.
I think you’re truly smart enough to figure out the rest of the points on your own if you wish to. Perhaps the disadvantages are small and it is up to everyone to decide what is a good ratio of costs and pay but to strongly believe that there must not categorically be any downsides to strenuous, progressive lifting seems naive.[/quote]
The only people who have to worry about that last statement for the most part are powerlifters. Not bashing them or anything. Yet most are so damn passionate about hitting their max lifts, you hear a lot of them getting injured or suffering from past injuries. Dave Tate is a good example. He has a huge list of injuries. He grew wiser though, does more rehab work. Uses machines when he feels necessary. Retired from competitive lifting.
heavythrower - Guy from this site. Learned some valuable lessons and switched over to machines, while sharing his thoughts on what he has experienced
Professor X - Has stated many times how he changed his training to lessen risk of injury
Cephalic Carnage - Preaches all the time of what to look for and avoid when on your quest to get big in your own right
Dante Trudell from DoggCrapp - Also another very intelligent lifter, who shares what he has learned good and bad while on his way to getting big and from what he has seen many lifters go through. Readily dropping gems of knowledge when the subject arises many times.
Maybe you should learn and speak with some people in the real world who have been there and done that.
Anyways I’m done with this thread. Take care, have at it with all that general fitness bosu ball stuff. Me and the others guys here will just stick to eating lots of dead animals and having fun with the good ol’ heavy slag iron.
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
Pressure from the media? Oh, you mean they want you to get as LaBuff as possible?[/quote]
He’s not a hunk, he’s not a nerd… Shia LeBeouf!
I didn’t bother to read this whole thread, but it looks like you guys fell for Alffi’s shit yet again.
Haven’t you guys realized yet that he’s just a troll? He posts stuff like this every couple of months just to get a rise out of the other posters in this forum, and then disappears for a while, occasionally returning to comment about this or that in various threads.