Disadvantages of Getting Bigger

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Yes it is easier to be small and skinny, but I’m sure most people here enjoy lifting and enjoy the progress we make both on the scales and the bar. This to me makes it worth it. People participating in high impact sports are worse off than us in terms of long term damage and I’m sure most of them do it for the same reasons - enjoying playing the sport and enjoying winning (much like breaking a pr, reaching a goal or indeed winning a strength based competition).

As far as feeling lighter goes, I feel that it has more to do with how lean you are. Your weight makes a difference but I imagine I’d feel a lot lighter at 10% bodyfat at 200lbs than if I were 20% bodyfat at 175lbs.

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I need to stop all this training and eating bullshit, or I’m going to die in 60 years…

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People who live longer lives are from Okinawa Japan. The main reasons is the larger variety of fresh food, especially fish, and people live active lives.

I am also familiar with the study on mice, its also been done on flies, but to me it proves little when it comes to humans. The type of food, physical and mental activity is much more important.

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wow. i think you may have to go back to the drawing board as far as your studies.

you could feel lighter with more muscle as opposed to being skinny fat because your skeletal system is kept in proper enlightenment thereby making all movement easier and economical.

the heart is a muscle.

caloric expenditure and increased metabolism helps the circulation and efficient use of oxygen throughout the body, inclusive of all its systems.

anything that you do to be fully engaged in your physicality will help you control your mind. balance is a good thing.

you don’t have to try to get superhero big or even workout at all if you feel it’s harmful.

just my opinion. and i’m a girl, btw.

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As much as I love the prospect of being the incredible hulk, I feel that OP’s point is valid to an extent. Take a look at some of the greats from the golden era. Dave Draper–Multiple open heart surgeries. Destroyed shoulders–Destroyed knees. Arnold is in worse shape muscularly than Dave and has also undergone heart surgery. Franco and Frank Zane don’t look too bad, but they were both much shorter and lighter then Arnold and Dave.

IMO the absolute Ideal product of streingth training and nutrition is Jack LaLanne. He had a fantastic physique for his time and I think the fact that he has remained in such fantastic shape for so long is proof that he successfully employed weight training and nutrition without wearing out his body. I’m sure that if he not succumbed to cancer, Steve Reeves would probably have been a comparable example. I am also a big fan of William Smith (Larado/conan’s father) who held/holds a record for reverse curling his own body weight.

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boooooooooooooooooooringggggggg 0/10

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Rule 1 : Do not feed the troll !

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5’11 at 160 is way to damn small. I think NFL receivers have the perfect form for males. They’re like 5-11 to 6’ and weigh in at 200-220, and very lean. Very flexible and and really fast/agile.

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[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
As much as I love the prospect of being the incredible hulk, I feel that OP’s point is valid to an extent. Take a look at some of the greats from the golden era. Dave Draper–Multiple open heart surgeries. Destroyed shoulders–Destroyed knees. Arnold is in worse shape muscularly than Dave and has also undergone heart surgery. Franco and Frank Zane don’t look too bad, but they were both much shorter and lighter then Arnold and Dave.

IMO the absolute Ideal product of streingth training and nutrition is Jack LaLanne. He had a fantastic physique for his time and I think the fact that he has remained in such fantastic shape for so long is proof that he successfully employed weight training and nutrition without wearing out his body. I’m sure that if he not succumbed to cancer, Steve Reeves would probably have been a comparable example. I am also a big fan of William Smith (Larado/conan’s father) who held/holds a record for reverse curling his own body weight. [/quote]
Nice to see some support. I have a screwed up rotator cuff from teenaged shoulder pressing gone awry. My elbows crack as do my knees and they ache a little every now and then. Squats also feel a little awkward sometimes. Someone will say “That’s just because you suck at lifting” etc.

I’ve heard of people who have not hit their thirties yet and are aching here and there. People are taught it’s OK to contort the hell out of your hips and knees in squats because that’s what professional oly lifters do but never mind that those guys are blown out by the time they are 30 and professional athletics is inherently hard on the body. A relative of mine actually met the 1968 Mexico olympics weightlifting gold medalist Kaarlo Kangasniemi who allegedly went on to state that his body was run into ruins from the lifting. I think it’s a cool anecdote to relate.

But it’s all great and good as long as you are still very young and able to take a lot of damage with all the T running through your veins telling you to just man up and find gain in pain.

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u mad?

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
I believe I would personally feel the best weighing 160 pounds or less at 5’11. [/quote]

According to your profile, your height fluctuates between 5’10 and 5’11.5". I’m assuming this is the differential between your morning and evening measurements, but for the sake of argument, let’s say you are 180 centimeters tall, which is about 5’11".

Your stated weight is over 220 pounds, which doesn’t tell us much, because 5’11 and 220 pounds at 30% body fat is certainly a different species of animal than 5’11 and 220 pounds at 8%, as you may see from the attached photo.

I am willing to bet that your own physique is closer to the photo on the left than to the one on the right. Although I could be wrong. But I’ll bet I am not. A picture for yourself would settle the question.

For the sake of argument, let’s say your body fat is currently at 25%. This would mean you are carrying 55 pounds of fat, and your lean body mass is about 165 (allowing for water retention). At 10% body fat, you would be about 185 pounds. Which is certainly not “hyuuuuge” by the standards of this website, but it’s not bad. Assuming your diet and training are good, you should able to maintain your current muscle mass and strength, while avoiding the “disadvantages” you mention.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
This may sound like a repeat of what I have written before but I have to doubt if bodybuilding or building of the body whether through ‘strength training’ or ‘bodybuilding’ is good for us.

Studies indicate increased calorie consumption accelerates aging and smaller people seem to outlive big ones.

Other things of concern are:
-sitting and walking around with a stretched out, protruding waist all the time from the constant food consumption
-the joint strain from carrying ‘excess’ weight
-the heart and internal organ stress from having to supply extra blood, oxygen etc.
-strain, wear and tear from progressively larger weights
-flexibility drain from shortening of the muscles through motions as well as hypertrophy
-time spent feeding
-the inevitable fat gain from bulking leading to self-denial about body composition or frustration about progress and looks

I know all of these factors can be controlled to an extent but not entirely. I believe I would personally feel the best weighing 160 pounds or less at 5’11. Unfortunately that does not allow me to live up to the pressures set by the media as well as women and men. [/quote]

lol The only pressures you would get are from people in the BB world. Cause 160 @ 5’11 in the off season is tiny even for a natural. So your last statement is ludicrous stating media, women and men “pressure” you.

Some of us love it and do it only for ourselves. Cause it’s something you put forth lots of effort and work into. Which shows after many years. All your assumptions, yes they are only assumptions are waaaay to broadly generalized. The road for those of us who want to get bigger, is each very unique and entails many different aspects depending on the person.

So to make such broad generalizations on these “disadvantages”. Is very ignorant and naive. Almost screaming envy!! To those who take precautions and common sense hand in hand when on their pursuit to being bigger than average.

Glad you had the decency to post this in the GAL forum though, I’ll give you that. You expressed your opinion and I have expressed mine. Pros out weigh the cons for me. Yet I guess from you and these “studies”, most trying to bigger will have a shitty quality of life and will die a couple years before others.

Well I say fuck it scratch off a couple years. I’m all about being healthy. Yet for me it’s also about the “quality” of life. Not for a pass due longevity, being an old fart having some person change my diaper, spoon feed my grouchy ass and others having to put up with my shit…

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Alffi wrote:
I believe I would personally feel the best weighing 160 pounds or less at 5’11.

According to your profile, your height fluctuates between 5’10 and 5’11.5". I’m assuming this is the differential between your morning and evening measurements, but for the sake of argument, let’s say you are 180 centimeters tall, which is about 5’11".

Your stated weight is over 220 pounds, which doesn’t tell us much, because 5’11 and 220 pounds at 30% body fat is certainly a different species of animal than 5’11 and 220 pounds at 8%, as you may see from the attached photo.

I am willing to bet that your own physique is closer to the photo on the left than to the one on the right. Although I could be wrong. But I’ll bet I am not. A picture for yourself would settle the question.

For the sake of argument, let’s say your body fat is currently at 25%. This would mean you are carrying 55 pounds of fat, and your lean body mass is about 165 (allowing for water retention). At 10% body fat, you would be about 185 pounds. Which is certainly not “hyuuuuge” by the standards of this website, but it’s not bad. Assuming your diet and training are good, you should able to maintain your current muscle mass and strength, while avoiding the “disadvantages” you mention. [/quote]
Last year around this time I bloated up to 230 or so pounds and looked bad. I then leaned down to around 180 pounds and still could not see my abs, never did in my life. Maybe they are not there. After dieting, I could squat 200-220 pounds calves to buttocks for a set of 20 (none of that rest-pause stuff) which now feels like air. I kept lifting throughout my diet. Now I’m a little under 200 pounds with a reasonable waist and strength similar to my fat season.

I think I have naturally somewhat low T and also gyne, if that helps.

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I COULD NOT CARE LESS IF IT WAS HEALTHY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE BIG SO I AM GOING TO BE ROOOOOARR

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[quote]Alffi wrote:

Last year around this time I bloated up to 230 or so pounds and looked bad. I then leaned down to around 180 pounds and still could not see my abs, never did in my life. Maybe they are not there. After dieting, I could squat 200-220 pounds calves to buttocks for a set of 20 (none of that rest-pause stuff) which now feels like air. I kept lifting throughout my diet. Now I’m a little under 200 pounds with a reasonable waist and strength similar to my fat season.

I think I have naturally somewhat low T and also gyne, if that helps. [/quote]

What’s your diet like currently? One thing I notice about the typical Finnish diet is that it’s pretty high is sodium, which might contribute to water retention, which in turn might be one of the reason you’ve never seen your abs.

Are you taking any supplements to boost Testosterone and reduce estrogen? TRIBEX, Alpha Male and Rez-V might help the low T and gyno, and HOT-ROX might help you lose the rest of the belly fat.

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LOL this dude been a member since 07 and if you ain’t big yet, you need to GTFO of the BODYBUILDING forums.

WTF you been doing since you were a member? I’m also assuming you were “lifting” before you signed up. Seriously. I would also think you wear skinny jeans. In that case, this ain’t a surprise at all.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
LOL this dude been a member since 07 and if you ain’t big yet, you need to GTFO of the BODYBUILDING forums.

WTF you been doing since you were a member? I’m also assuming you were “lifting” before you signed up. Seriously. I would also think you wear skinny jeans. In that case, this ain’t a surprise at all.[/quote]

People with the weakest genetics or the weakest motivation seem to be the loudest speakers against bodybuilding.

Why is that, I wonder?

Wait…no I don’t.

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Meh

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it would be cool if the mods seen people making threads like this and just deleted they’re account :slight_smile:

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
I think I have naturally somewhat low T and also gyne, if that helps. [/quote]

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner! You are obviously depressed from the low T and the pessimism and jealousy you show here towards people that are bigger and stronger than you is a symptom from that. Go see your doc and get some test.