Dips and Chin-Up PB (Videos)

How Do You Do It?

More than anything, people want to know, how can you actually eat just fruit and nothing but.
Most meat eaters can’t fathom going without their steak and hamburgers, and yet around 10 million vegetarians in the US alone do it every day, without even really thinking about it. What I’m saying is that while it may seem hard to imagine from your current vantage point, it certainly is possible.

Fruitarian eating is certainly not for everyone however, but here’s a simple set of guidelines that will help you achieve it if you feel it is for you.

Step 1 Go vegetarian (cut out the meat, chicken & fish)
Step 2 Go vegan (cut out the dairy and eggs)
Step 3 Go raw (no more cooked foods
Step 4 Go fruitarian (nothing but raw fruit)

Certainly easier said than done, especially since most people can’t even get past the first step. Do whatever it takes. Join a support group. Hang out with other vegetarians. Get educated. Read “Diet for a New America”, animal rights literature…

Some people manage to go straight from eating everything to vegan. That’s what I did, but your chances of success are usually better if you don’t skip that step. I also didn’t mess around with the raw food concept, but here again, for most people that is a good step and might make the transition easier Cutting out all cooked food from the diet is not an easy task. The nice thing about the raw food diet is that it is so much more diverse than fruitarianism. It’s also possible to create elaborate raw dishes that emulate certain cooked food dishes and so many people find that helpful.

If you’re still struggling as a vegan, forget the idea of total fruitarianism. Instead, you could add more live food to your diet and work on getting comfortable with a vegan diet.
Personally, I never felt there was any great benefit to experimenting or lingering around with a raw food diet, but that’s only my experience. I also went straight from meat eating to vegan, which isn’t very common, and then from there straight ahead to fruitarianism.

What helped me more than anything both times (first when I became vegan and second when I became fruitarian) were actually things that are very similar.

When I was still eating meat, dairy and eggs, I was spending a lot of time in nature and as a result many aspects of my life were becoming more natural. I started to question why I should eat an egg when it obviously is a baby chick incubator. I asked why I should eat animals who died a violent death. I realized that all the dead animals I ate were disguised so as not to offend me.

I ate out once in a primarily vegetarian restaurant and someone ordered fish. They brought out a fish, head, tail, scales and all. It didn’t seem to do much for this person’s appetite to see this corpse staring back at her.

I quickly found that my cheese was going moldy before I finished it. I no longer liked milk and the last box of fish and chips I bought was hard to swallow. Within about a month I had went from omnivorous/carnivorous to vegan. I never read any books about it. I just increased my own internal awareness and tapped into my knowingness about the diet. I never worried about protein or calcium, because I knew the diet had to be right.
That was 1989 in October/November. By the summer of 1992, I had done several colon cleanses with psyllium husk powder and achieved impressive results.

The evidence was before my eyes that I was still ingesting death via cooked foods. I ate more raw foods than ever (mostly fruit) and I still used my “eggless mayonaisse” on salads and drank carrot juice, and ate lots of fruit and drank orange juice.

However, my wife, whom I had just met was not ready for this, so I stalled on it for a while. By sometime in early 1993, around the time we got married, my wife finally did some colon cleansing.

That did it. Now she was on the bandwagon. Starting in April 1993 following much introspection, we both emerged with the conclusion and the knowingness that only raw foods are meant to be consumed, and that the only raw foods which appeal to humans are fruit.
The other clear realization was that we never liked vegetables, but rather forced ourselves to eat the stuff, usually smothered in dressing to disguise the taste.

We just followed our instincts and quickly realized that we needed to eat a lot. About 10 pounds for me and about 6 or 7 pounds for my wife.

The most important thing that has kept me going with the diet is this internal knowingness that tells me we are meant to be fruitarian.
It hasn’t always been easy, but it has been incredibly wonderful.

Just as most people admit they would be vegetarian if they had to kill the animals, most people would be fruitarian if they were propelled into a natural setting with no tools, no clothes, no cooking utensils, etc… By a natural setting, I mean our true home, a tropical area where clothes are unnecessary and fruit grows year round.

So there you have it, that’s how it all happened, just kind of a natural progression of sorts. In many ways I feel like a pioneer. I hope that I can continually inspire others to find their own way towards a better diet, whatever “step” they might be at.

Unnatural living

You may ask yourself, if you are new to the whole arena of eating a more natural diet, how the rest of your life could affect your diet, but your daily activities are intricately interwoven with your diet.

First and probably foremost, the place you live has a dramatic impact on your diet. If you live in a cold, harsh climate where produce only grows seasonally you are more apt to eat cooked and processed foods. Cities, with their traffic, pollution, crime, noise and incredible amounts of stress push people into coping by continually eating large amounts of stimulating foods such as meats, junk foods, spicy foods, not to mention alcohol, cigarettes and illegal drugs. All those non-foods tend to narcotize the brain and help people to keep themselves in a walking stupor in which they can continue their unnatural existence. If they were to see their lives from a clear and detached perspective, they would head for the hills as fast as possible.
I have lived in Arizona for a decade and have seen Phoenix grow to become the fastest growing metropolis in America. It’s energy is harsh. I often say it has a “Circle K” mentality. For those of you who don’t know, Circle K is a fast food convenience store that also sells gasoline, and they are typically open around the clock. They are very popular and an amazingly clear symbol of city life. People can stop in and fill their cars with polluting gasoline, which nowadays contains toxic additives like MTBE, and when they pay for the gas, most people can purchase some ready made processed and seasoned junk food, along with cigarettes and beer. Food for the car and food for the person all in one stop, all guaranteed to destroy the environment and our health on every level. With all due respect to Circle K (they are an incredibly good business at what they do), it’s clear that there’s a certain lower vibration of energy that thrives on their existence Those fast food convenience stores thrive in big cities because they feed on the same stressed out energy of the city.

Most people feel forced to live in cities to make money, but we end up paying with our health, our sanity and eventually our lives.

People who live in cities often like to think they know more than the farmers who grow the food, or that they could grow all their own food, which is so much more of an ordeal than they could ever imagine.

If you are one of the millions who are stuck in the city at the present time, do whatever you can to help create a better energy around yourself. Create some positive space in your life, in your home, maybe even in your job. Get out to some farms, some farmer’s markets, etc. Get in touch with the reality of life. Do you know that many kids today don’t even know that milk comes from cows? Do you know that many people who live in Phoenix don’t know that dates grow on palm trees, even when they are everywhere in Phoenix. Look up. Many people who live in Phoenix have totally forgotten that it is a desert. They seek to completely change the area in completely disharmony with nature. One particular elected individual even suggested that if more trees in northern Arizona were cut down, perhaps more water could be made available for Phoenix golf courses! It’s amazing how completely out of touch with nature people can get.

As our bodies and minds become filled with the toxins of the city, the noise, the stress, the pollution, our natural inclination is unfortunately to eat unnatural foods. That is why the fruitarian finds life so difficult in the city and succeeds so much easier away from the city. If you get out of the city and go spend the afternoon sitting on a riverbank, I guarantee you that you’ll be more drawn to want to eat an orange and a banana than something you purchased from one of those fast food convenience locations. It’s really that simple.

The solution: Do whatever you can to get back to a more natural existence Start with where you are and move if you have to. Get out in nature more, go on hikes, bike rides, whatever it is that you enjoy and you will soon discover the truth of the matter, that the more natural your life becomes, the more natural your diet will be.

Uncooking: An Interview with Gabriel Cousens, M.D.

  1. What is a raw food diet?

Food in its alive state is a raw food diet. This food’s subtle organizing energy field (SOEF), its bio-photon energy, and its life force continue to flow through the living cells of this food as we eat it. It gives our body and mind the charge of life as it integrates into our systems.

The optimal live food diet is authentic, meaning, in-tune with the seasons and from the local geography, organic (authentic organic food is beyond what some companies are increasingly managing to pass as ?organic?), low-glycemic, highly mineralized, well-hydrated, and grown and prepared with love.

  1. What happens to the nutrient quality of food when it is cooked?

a) Water is lost. Water is one of the essential solvents that keeps food full of life force.

b) Enzymes, which are the catalysts for digestion, absorption, and metabolism, and biological reactions throughout the body, are de-natured, which means they are forced out of their living structure. In the sense that enzymes are alive when they serve the purpose of life at living temperatures, when they are de-natured, they are killed. Without living enzymes in food, the body is forced to tap its own enzyme stores, diverting energy away from body maintenance into the energy needed to digest food instead.

c) Vitamins and phyto-nutrients are destructured and some turned into toxins.

d) Bio-photon vibrations are heated away from the organized harmony that is characteristic of life, and made disordered and chaotic. What our body tissues couldn’t withstand and survive, neither can our nutrition. Details about this are in Spiritual Nutrition .

  1. What are the benefits of eating a primarily raw diet?

An individualized, balanced live food diet helps prepare the body and mind to fulfill the purpose of your life. Lasting joy, independent of life’s temporary, external circumstances, in life is supported by the live-food diet’s way of helping you feel connected with life. The body and mind are cleansed of toxins. Minerals give your body flexibility and your consciousness added perceptivity. Your overall calorie intake will drop, which eases the strain and drain of the digestive system. Caloric intake will drop because the nutritional richness in live food signals to your brain that you have taken sufficient nutrition with less actual mass of food.

  1. Is 100% raw healthy? Are there tips to make sure you get enough protein and energy from a primarily raw diet?

100% raw and vegan is healthy for many, many people, perhaps 99% of the people on earth. Fewer than that will choose it, however. Even in choosing all raw food, though, it is important to individualize your diet according to your genetic constitution, current health, and lifestyle committed to communion with life. Again, ways to make more certain of the healthfulness of your live-food diet is to choose, low glycemic, mineral-rich, organic food, and an individualized diet to your constitution and physiology.

  1. What are the staples of a raw food diet? What kind of kitchen equipment is needed?

To make a point, a Tree of Life teacher is currently writing a book that includes the following (and I paraphrase): ?Steps to a live food diet: Go to organic grocery or farmer’s market. Buy vegetables, seeds, fruits, and nuts. Eat. Refrigerate the rest. For example: Buy avocado. Cut in half. Scoop with spoon, and eat.?

Of course, a refrigerator is necessary unless you live in a grocery store. Next, a sprout tray allows you to grow sprouts right at home that are so fresh, alive, and healthy, it’s unbelievable. A simple food processor allows you to make pates from nuts and seeds. A blender or juicer is good for making juices, smoothies, and ?mylks? out of seeds, nuts, fruits, and seasonings.

  1. Can you explain why organic is such an important choice in one’s diet?

Organic food is grown with soil made rich and balanced by natural composting processes. In comparison, non-organic food uses petroleum fertilizer which has only 3 of the 72 natural minerals, pesticides (which are neurotoxins for humans as well as insects), and increasingly often, genetic engineering. Therefore, one should select organic food because minerals and nutrient content are higher?and the taste is better?and the body relates to it on a deeper level. Produce genetically modified to be seedless, for convenience, simply doesn’t have life vibration that an organic crop, full of seeds and life force, has. Because the organic standards are increasingly being watered down by large corporations trying to mass produce organic produce, an enthusiast of organic food will also look for local, authentic, organic food. Many times you need only ask a local organic grocer to purchase from local organic farms, which benefits everyone in your community, keeps the food from having to be shipped long-distance (and thereby, lose its freshness and begin to go rancid) and reduces the need for trucks to travel long distances instead of more efficient, local use of resources. It takes 1000 years for the earth to produce on inch of natural topsoil; authentic organic farming protects and, in proper cultivation, rebuilds, the topsoil.

  1. Is having a raw food diet time consuming? Is it feasible for someone with a full-time job and 2 children? What is the time commitment?

A raw food diet is not time consuming, and it is entirely feasible for someone with a full time job and children, but it does require clear decisions.

This is why we teach the hands-on courses including Conscious Eating and Arizona Live, as well as the Spiritual Live-Food Apprenticeship Program at the Tree of Life.

  1. Does one need to give up their social life in order to become raw? Can they still frequent restaurants and social engagements?

Each person has their own way of adjusting to this dimension of live food. For some it’s a very personal change that doesn’t require a lot of social adjustment at all; they eat for themselves and the change hardly effects their social life. Other’s are actively creative in designing ways to keep their social life and their raw food; they discover a local live-food restaurant, or they invite friends over for a live-food banquet. Still others have a change of social life, in which the live-food community becomes a social scene of its own.

  1. What advice would you give someone contemplating a raw food diet? Can you share some tips for those thinking about a raw food diet, or raw food newbies?

Remember the purpose in every moment: to connect with life; to feel the energy of the planet and the nourishing sun; to become a superconductor of that energy in order to live as our optimal path and become the living peace we visualize on the planet. We eat to internalize the blessings our heart wishes to give.

  1. What inspired you to become raw in diet? Were you formally trained?

Gabriel has an M.D. from Columbia University, and is an Arizona-Licensed Homeopathic Physician. He earned a Diplomate of Ayurveda (meaning a specialty in the ancient science of food-energy balancing that developed in India, and is a certified member of the Board of Holistic Physicans.

In medical school, he realized that to realize his life-long dream of being a healer, he would have to learn about spiritual, mental, and physical health. In contrast, at Columbia he was being taught about pathology. He realized he would have to look elsewhere to learn how to support and sustain optimal health. He was led to the raw food diet when a strong, clear intuition instructed him to ?learn to eat and live to support human awakening.?

  1. What is a typical day’s diet for you?

This is shared in the recipes in the book, Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine (Cousens, MD).

  1. What are some of your favorite raw foods?

Sprouts, avocado, tomato, Himalayan salt or Celtic Sea salt. Living, natural, charged water (see Spiritual Nutrition about charging water).

  1. What are your feelings about the popular Atkins diet?

First one has to set, or really get familiar with, their purpose in choosing food. To feel more connected with the purpose of humanity, being to uplift the world into a more peaceful, respectful, enlightened period of history, one eventually must choose whether animal death and abuse is something they want to participate in and make part of their body-brain system. There is wisdom in Genesis 1:29, which says that the food we were designed for is the vegetable kingdom. I am glad people are open to alternatives, and am glad to see that this openness expanding even further today and into the future.

  1. Can you share some information about the healing qualities of food as medicine? Do you feel that a raw food diet helps to remedy colds, fevers, headaches, body pains, allergies, etc? Do you feel that raw foods calm the mind?

Many food allergies are actually our bodies responses to foods when our digestive system has become too clogged or tired to digest them. The liver and gall bladder are two digestive organs that store toxins. As toxins build up in them, they compromise these organs’ digestive functions, such as the release of enzymes. Then, undigested food remains in the intestines, which not only decay and release harmful ?allergy?-causing toxins, but also block absorption of necessary nutrients through the intestinal wall. So not only are some of what we think of as allergies really the result of our clogged digestive system’s impaired ability to digest, but also some infectious sicknesses, painful inflammations, and chronic degenerative states themselves are caused by the toxins of undigested, decaying food in the intestines.

Gabriel’s M.D. is in Psychiatry, and he has also explored the mind deeply in meditation practice. We know that one’s state of mind is impacted by the biological terrain of the brain and nervous system. The Bio-Brain Balance is a test that shows the addictions of the brains, which contribute to over-attachments, compulsions, obsessions, irritability, and despair. A balanced brain biology supports the cultivation of a state of spiritual at-oneness, in which the mind is a tool of pure consciousness, rather than the mind’s chaotic patterns overwhelming consciousness.

  1. Do you feel that diet is related to environmental issues, and if so, how?

Nutrition provides the energy to raise human consciousness. The closer our food to the Earth, the more consciousness we bring to each choice throughout the day and our whole lives. These conscious choices ripples out in bigger ways than we are aware off. Just as many religions say that ?saving one person saves the whole world,? so to, as our consciousness expands, so does the effect of our lives on the living planet.

Food is a love note from God and Mother Earth. Unfortunately, many of us, on a daily basis, read an out of date, processed, cooked, and bleached love note. This causes a human’s and a culture’s consciousness to become out of sync with the planet. Being in sync makes us more aware of where and how we build, what resources we consume, how we travel, what products we use, who we vote for, and what example we set for others. The best ways to get in sync are the Six Foundations from Spiritual Nutrition . Alongside meditating, community involvement, service, exercise, time in nature, studying great inspirational works, and having a spiritual teacher, an optimal live-food diet and spiritual green-juice fasting is a crucial aspect of the Six Foundations that help our whole being be one with the living planet.

Humans in dire need to sustain their own bodies, which number about a billion people?with over 40,000,000 per year dying from malnutrition, including 15,000,000 children?comprise the majority of some entire nations who are not able to give their light to the environmental cause, because of malnourishment. These same billion people, if food were available for them, are a billion people who know the importance of the living planet.

Now, if only 10% of the meat-eating world became vegetarian, there would be the amount of food required to feed these people freed up from cattle land. Even less land is use by being a live-food vegan because live food packs more nutrition, and less volume of food is needed for nutrition. Furthermore, the more we are living on the light energy in living plant food, the more our natural emotions come out, which is to receive in order to share, and to feel a non-causal joy and to delight in the well-being of the whole as one.

Rainforests : On live-food, we tend to experience the need to reverse the destruction of the rainforests as more than an abstraction. As our spirits reawaken we realize that destroying the rainforests for grazing land is a crime against us all that is perpetuated by global, social unconsciousness.

Soil Erosion: It takes 1000 years for one inch of natural soil to be formed. Because of totally unnatural, petroleum-based fertilizer farming in the plains and valleys of the U.S., erosion of nutrients has decimated the topsoil. Authentic organic farming, working in symphony with the seasonal cycles, especially with activated microorganisms assisting in the composting, actually helps stop the depletion of the soil and begins to regenerate topsoil.

Toxins in synthetic fertilizers and pesticides not only throw the natural ecosystem out of balance, but also effect health. It is strongly recommended for a mother to do a juice-fast detoxification program before getting pregnant and to stay on an all organic, optimal living-food diet during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Toxins in the human reproductive systems are compromising the health of our babies. The dramatic rise in autism, ADD, ADHD, and more are directly linked to toxins in food. Animal offspring defects are also increasing.

By being vegan, even more so than consuming organic meat, we decrease the consumption of toxins because animals bio-accumulate toxins. This is because many toxins are soluble in fat tissue, which plants do not have but animals do.

By being hydrated by the living, structured water of optimal live food, and blessing this food before, as, and after we eat it, we are actually healing, according quantum physics, all the water on the planet. Because the biosphere is composed of water in the solid, liquid, and gaseous state, the energy we put into water gets carried by vibration to all the water on Earth. By reviving the water in this energetic way, fish and microorganisms in natural water are more able to thrive and recover from the damage we have done.

Emotions : As people with dogs know, the animal and plant world responds to our emotions. We literally help the ecosystem thrive by being joyful. Live-food turns on the biochemistry that supports joy, caring, and love.

Basically, live-food teaches us to be ?efficient? with our bodies, giving us the foundation for being efficient and fair in what we take away from the planet. Taking in optimal nutrition saves the body unneeded digestive and eliminative work costs; it honors the body. This is also how to honor the living planet, by living in a way in which we naturally delight in taking only as much as what the planet offers in that moment.

  1. Can you imagine a world do you think we’d see if everybody ate raw? What would change?

This is a common question, and I must say I truly don’t think about a world (in my lifetime or later) where everyone eats raw. I think everyone eating vegan is a more accurate place to envision. Those who will eat raw in our day or the near future will do so out of recognizing their special opportunity, that they live in a situation where abundant, organic, fresh live food is available. They will use this privilege to help uplift humanity from a time of ignorance, greed, and cruelty to a time of knowing the Divine and receiving in order to share.

There would be enough food to feed the world seven times over if the whole world were vegan. The reduction in cattle grazing lands would help restore the rich soil, savannas, and forests. The eradication of animal death for unnecessary human consumption would shift the current consciousness of death and taking to one of life and sharing.

  1. What advice would you give to someone with cancer or another serious illness that is eating a typical American diet with meat, dairy, caffeine, sugar and processed foods?

Challenges, as is attested by many people who struggle with a disease or who have healed, are often a very powerful experience that make one awaken to his or her true identity. Often they come to realize the purpose of being is to know the blissful Divine Kiss and to carry out one’s sacred design, and realize that fulfilling this purpose is compromised by sickness. By taking one sincere step towards connecting with your Divine walk, you might see that living and eating in a way that is most compassionate and most supportive for joyful abundant health, is also the original and continuing cosmic blueprint for humanity.

  1. Why do you think this type of diet isn’t promoted more within our society if it is known to have such healing qualities?

For some it hurts to feel closer to who we really are. The layers of mistaken identity (? klipot? in Kabbalistic terminology), in our society are deep; many think they are what the media tells them they are?consumers, subjects, machines, victims, their jobs, their grudges, etc. However, we are making progress towards a mass awakening to the pure consciousness that is the truth of who we are. Eating from the earth, the farmer’s market, or the authentic organic produce bin brings people into contact with the life of nature. This challenges the tendency to remain in the mistaken identity of a sterile, packaged, processed, and artificially grown illusion. As we become more spiritually ready, the spiritual nutrition diet becomes more well known.

  1. Where do you see the raw food movement heading?

The movement is heading towards global awakening to the Divine Mystery and appreciation for all that is. This is spoken of in ancient scriptures, and remains the ultimate vision today. The live-food movement creates the biological terrain, climate, and internal ecology in people that allows consciousness to enter and expand, leading to peace with the body, mind, family, community, all cultures, the living planet, and the Divine.

  1. Tell us about your work at The Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center? What classes and retreats are available?

Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center (please see http://www.treeoflife.nu ) , an Oasis for Awakening and Spiritual Inspiration, is a place of physical, emotional, mental and spiritual rejuvenation. Explore our powerful, healing and transformational programs including workshops, educational programs, holistic medical support and spa services. Our distinctive whole person healing promises to bring renewal and guidance in a thorough health screen. You may come to the Tree of Life 365 days a year for a meal, a day or even a three-month renewal on every level. You may purchase the best products personally selected by Dr Cousens in our Awakened Living Shoppe online or in person. This site is your doorway to a world of the finest information on nutrition, rejuvenation, and healing for spiritual nutrition.

Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.[/quote]

Sir, I never set out to change anyones mind, I’m just replying to your posts.

You talk about FREE WILL!

here’s some home work for you!

look how easy it is to quit fruits and then see how easy it is to quit meat/cooked foods!

The food industry doesn’t want you to have FREE WILL

because if you really had free will you wouldn’t buy their products!

If anybody wants to see how FREE their will really is?

then I challenge you to go Raw Vegan for 2 days or Vegan for a week!

who’s up for the challenge?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.[/quote]

America is a nation that suffers from “taste inflation.” Virtually all prepared foods in this country, whether they’re restaurant foods or convenience foods, are made with such outrageous levels of salt, sugar and MSG that they can only be called extreme foods suffering from taste inflation.
What do I mean by taste inflation? If you studied newborn babies and were able to analyze their chemical taste sensors, you’d find they were able to experience a broad range of various tastes ? the bitters in green leafy vegetables, the natural fruit sugars in apples and berries, and even the sweetness in cashews or tomatoes. But when you introduce them to standard American foods ? infant formula, and then later in life, candy bars, fast food, soft drinks, etc. ? you basically obliterate their natural taste senses, desensitizing them to the flavor subtleties found in natural foods. You end up with people who can really only taste two things: Sugar and salt. That’s why, in our country, most prepared or processed food is loaded either with one or the other.

Just go to any restaurant, especially those family chain restaurants, and try to order a bowl of soup. You mostly just get salt and MSG. There’s hardly any other flavoring in the soup, since the physical matter in there has been so overcooked that it’s just dead food with no taste subtlety remaining at all. These restaurants have to depend on salt and MSG to make these soups palatable to mainstream consumers. Personally, I can’t touch a soup made by anything other than a gourmet restaurant, and canned soups found at the grocery store are also loaded with salt. Food manufacturers are adding so much salt to everything that millions of people are suffering from hypertension.

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

Sir, I never set out to change anyones mind, I’m just replying to your posts.

You talk about FREE WILL!

here’s some home work for you!

look how easy it is to quit fruits and then see how easy it is to quit meat/cooked foods!

The food industry doesn’t want you to have FREE WILL

because if you really had free will you wouldn’t buy their products!

If anybody wants to see how FREE their will really is?

then I challenge you to go Raw Vegan for 2 days or Vegan for a week!

who’s up for the challenge?

[/quote]

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

America is a nation that suffers from “taste inflation.” Virtually all prepared foods in this country, whether they’re restaurant foods or convenience foods, are made with such outrageous levels of salt, sugar and MSG that they can only be called extreme foods suffering from taste inflation.
What do I mean by taste inflation? If you studied newborn babies and were able to analyze their chemical taste sensors, you’d find they were able to experience a broad range of various tastes ? the bitters in green leafy vegetables, the natural fruit sugars in apples and berries, and even the sweetness in cashews or tomatoes. But when you introduce them to standard American foods ? infant formula, and then later in life, candy bars, fast food, soft drinks, etc. ? you basically obliterate their natural taste senses, desensitizing them to the flavor subtleties found in natural foods. You end up with people who can really only taste two things: Sugar and salt. That’s why, in our country, most prepared or processed food is loaded either with one or the other.

Just go to any restaurant, especially those family chain restaurants, and try to order a bowl of soup. You mostly just get salt and MSG. There’s hardly any other flavoring in the soup, since the physical matter in there has been so overcooked that it’s just dead food with no taste subtlety remaining at all. These restaurants have to depend on salt and MSG to make these soups palatable to mainstream consumers. Personally, I can’t touch a soup made by anything other than a gourmet restaurant, and canned soups found at the grocery store are also loaded with salt. Food manufacturers are adding so much salt to everything that millions of people are suffering from hypertension.

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Food Additives to Avoid
There are over 14,000 man-made chemicals added to our American food supply today. Food additives are not natural nutrition for humans or their pets. Children are suffering the most from food additives because they are exposed to food chemicals from infancy, and human bodies were not meant to be exposed to the degree of chemicals and food additives that we are currently.

It is important for everyone to be aware of the types of chemicals and food additives they are consuming. I have selected merely a few chemical food additives listed below as examples, but recommend you use the internet resources to research the myriad of chemicals and food additives inundating our modern food supply.

Nutrition Information :

Nutrition Information
Aspartame Detoxification
Food Additives to Avoid
Hair Analysis Information

CSPI REPORTS Food Additives to Avoid (listed alphabetically)
Acesulfame K
Known commercially as Sunette or Sweet One, acesulfame is a sugar substitute sold in packet or tablet form, in chewing gum, dry mixes for beverages, instant coffee and tea, gelatin desserts, puddings and non-dairy creamers. Tests show that the additive causes cancer in animals, which means it may increase cancer in humans. Avoid acesulfame K and products containing it. Your sweet tooth isn’t worth it.

Artificial colorings
The great bulk of artificial colorings used in food are synthetic dyes. For decades synthetic food dyes have been suspected of being toxic or carcinogenic and many have been banned. Whenever possible, choose foods without dyes. They’re mostly used in foods of questionable nutritional worth anyway. Natural ingredients should provide all the color your food needs.

Aspartame
This sugar substitute, sold commercially as Equal and NutraSweet, was hailed as the savior for dieters who for decades had put up with saccharine’s unpleasant after taste. There are quite a few problems with aspartame. The first is phenylketonuria (PKU). One out of 20,000 babies is born without the ability to metabolize phenylalanine, one of the two amino acids in aspartame. Toxic levels of this substance in the blood can result in mental retardation. Beyond PKU several scientists believe that aspartame might cause altered brain function and behavior changes in consumers. And many people (though a minuscule fraction) have reported dizziness, headaches, epileptic-like seizures, and menstrual problems after ingesting aspartame.

Avoid aspartame if you are pregnant, suffer from PKU, or think that you experience side affects from using it. If you consume more than a couple of servings a day consider cutting back. And, to be on the safe side, don’t give aspartame to infants.

BHA & BHT
These two closely related chemicals are added to oil-containing foods to prevent oxidation and retard rancidity. The International Agency for Research on Cancer, part of the World Health Organization, consider BHA to be possibly carcinogenic to humans, and the State of California has listed it as a carcinogen. Some studies show the same cancer causing possibilities for BHT.

BHT and BHA are totally unnecessary. To avoid them read the label. Because of the possibility that BHT and BHA might cause cancer, both should be phased out of our food supply. To play it safe, phase them out of your diet.

Caffeine
Caffeine is found naturally in tea, coffee, and cocoa. It is also added to many soft drinks. It is one of the few drugs – a stimulant – added to foods. Caffeine promotes stomach-acid secretion (possibly increasing the symptoms of peptic ulcers), temporarily raises blood pressure, and dialates some blood vessels while constricting others. Excessive caffeine intake results in “caffeinism,” with symptoms ranging from nervousness to insomnia. These problems also affect children who drink between 2 to 7 cans of soda a day. Caffeine may also interfere with reproduction and affect developing fetuses. Experiments on lab animals link caffeine to birth defects such as cleft palates, missing fingers and toes, and skull malformations.

Caffeine is mildly addictive, which is why some people experience headaches when they stop drinking it. While small amounts of caffeine don’t pose a problem for everyone, avoid it if you are trying to become or are pregnant. And try to keep caffeine out of you child’s diet.

Note: Caffeine can be ingested in cases of severe migraine headaches to quickly relieve pain due to its dilating effects.

Monosodium Glutamate (MSG)
Early in this century a Japanese chemist identified MSG as the substance in certain seasonings that added to the flavor of protein-containing foods. Unfortunately, too much MSG can lead to headaches, tightness in the chest, and a burning sensation in the forearms an the back of the neck. If you think you are sensitive to MSG, look at ingredient listings. Also, avoid hydrolyzed vegetable protein, or HVP, which may contain MSG.

Nitrite and Nitrate
Sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate are two closely related chemicals used for centuries to preserve meat. While nitrate itself is harmless, it is readily converted to nitrite. When nitrite combines with compounds called secondary amines, it forms nitrosamines, extremely powerful cancer-causing chemicals. The chemical reaction occurs most readily at the high temperatures of frying. Nitrite has long been suspected as being a cause of stomach cancer. Look for nitrite-free processed meats – some of which are frozen, refrigeration reduces the need for nitrites – at some health food and grocery stores. But regardless of the presence of nitrite or nitrosamines, the high-fat, high-sodium content of most processed meats should be enough to discourage you from choosing them. And don’t cook with bacon drippings.

Olestra
Olestra, the fake fat recently approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), is both dangerous and unnecessary. Olestra was approved over the objection of dozens of leading scientists.

The additive may be fat-free but it has a fatal side-effect: it attaches to valuable nutrients and flushes them out of the body. Some of these nutrients – called carotenoids – appear to protect us from such diseases as lung cancer, prostate cancer, heart disease, and macular degeneration. The Harvard School of Public Health states that “the long-term consumption of olestra snack foods might therefore result in several thousand unnecessary deaths each year from lung and ,prostate cancers and heart disease, and hundreds of additional cases of blindness in the elderly due to macular degeneration. Besides contributing to disease, olestra causes diarrhea and other serious gastrointestinal problems, even at low doses.”

FDA certified olestra despite the fact that there are safe low-fat snacks already on the market. There is no evidence to show that olestra will have any significant effect on reducing obesity in America.

Despite being approved as safe by the FDA, all snacks containing olestra must carry a warning label (similar to one found on cigarettes) that states:

This Product Contains Olestra. Olestra may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools. Olestra inhibits the absorption of some vitamins and other nutrients. Vitamins A, D, E, and K have been added.

CSPI advises consumers to avoid all olestra foods, and urges major food manufacturers not to make olestra-containing products.

Potassium Bromate
This additive has long been used to increase the volume of bread and to produce bread with a fine crumb (the non-crust part of bread) structure. Most bromate rapidly breaks down to form innocuous bromide. However, bromate itself causes cancer in animals. The tiny amounts of bromate that may remain in bread pose a small risk to consumers. Bromate has been banned virtually worldwide except in Japan and the United States. It is rarely used in California because a cancer warning is required on the label.

Sulfites
Sulfites are a class of chemicals that can keep cut fruits and vegetables looking fresh. They also prevent discoloration in apricots, raisins, and other dried fruits; control “black spot” in freshly caught shrimp; and prevent discoloration, bacterial growth, and fermentation in wine. Until the early 80’s they were considered safe, but CSPI found six scientific studies proving that sulfites could provoke sometimes severe allergic reactions. CSPI and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) identified at least a dozen fatalities linked to sulfites. All of the deaths occurred among asthmatics. In 1985 Congress finally forced FDA to ban sulfites from most fruits and vegetables. Especially if you have asthma, be sure to consider whether your attacks might be related to sulfites. The ban does not cover fresh-cut potatoes, dried fruits, and wine.

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

Sir, I never set out to change anyones mind, I’m just replying to your posts.

You talk about FREE WILL!

here’s some home work for you!

look how easy it is to quit fruits and then see how easy it is to quit meat/cooked foods!

The food industry doesn’t want you to have FREE WILL

because if you really had free will you wouldn’t buy their products!

If anybody wants to see how FREE their will really is?

then I challenge you to go Raw Vegan for 2 days or Vegan for a week!

who’s up for the challenge?

[/quote]

MSG - Slowly
Poisoning America
Author Unknown
5-1-4

I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.

He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: “MSG-Treated Rats” .

MSG?

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.

MSG was in everything! The Campbell’s soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the ‘healthy low fat’ ones. The items that didn’t have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

But it didn’t stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn’t use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis’, Applebees and Denny’s use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!

So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin?

Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, (www.spofamerica.com ), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at 10 Facts About MSG - The Glutamate Association explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

‘Betcha can’t eat just one’, takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!

And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn’t added.

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance: NICOTINE for FOOD!

Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it’s safe to eat in any amount.

How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?

The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002

Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug

Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima

Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar

Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food “manufaturers” have known MSG’s side effects for decades!

Many more studies mentioned in John Erb’s book link MSG to Diabetes,

Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer’s.

But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the “Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act” also known as the “Cheeseburger Bill”, this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: http://www.yahoo.com.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him “Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn’t touch the stuff!” But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn’t want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.

So what do we do?

The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.

Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

But what can I do about it? I’m just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

I for one am doing something about it.

I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won’t tell you.

The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.

The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

Blow the whistle on MSG.

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don’t believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at www.pubmed.com
http://www.pubmed.com . Type in the words “MSG Obese”, and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

Sir, I never set out to change anyones mind, I’m just replying to your posts.

You talk about FREE WILL!

here’s some home work for you!

look how easy it is to quit fruits and then see how easy it is to quit meat/cooked foods!

The food industry doesn’t want you to have FREE WILL

because if you really had free will you wouldn’t buy their products!

If anybody wants to see how FREE their will really is?

then I challenge you to go Raw Vegan for 2 days or Vegan for a week!

who’s up for the challenge?

MSG - Slowly
Poisoning America
Author Unknown
5-1-4

I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.

He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: “MSG-Treated Rats” .

MSG?

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.

MSG was in everything! The Campbell’s soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the ‘healthy low fat’ ones. The items that didn’t have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

But it didn’t stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn’t use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis’, Applebees and Denny’s use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!

So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin?

Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, (www.spofamerica.com ), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at 10 Facts About MSG - The Glutamate Association explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

‘Betcha can’t eat just one’, takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!

And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn’t added.

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance: NICOTINE for FOOD!

Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it’s safe to eat in any amount.

How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?

The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002

Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug

Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima

Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar

Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food “manufaturers” have known MSG’s side effects for decades!

Many more studies mentioned in John Erb’s book link MSG to Diabetes,

Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer’s.

But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the “Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act” also known as the “Cheeseburger Bill”, this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: http://www.yahoo.com.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him “Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn’t touch the stuff!” But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn’t want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.

So what do we do?

The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.

Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

But what can I do about it? I’m just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

I for one am doing something about it.

I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won’t tell you.

The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.

The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

Blow the whistle on MSG.

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don’t believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at www.pubmed.com
http://www.pubmed.com . Type in the words “MSG Obese”, and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.

[/quote]

Revealed: Food Companies Knew Products Were Addictive

By Robert Matthews,
Science Correspondent

Multinational food companies have known for years of research that suggests many of their products trigger chemical reactions in the brain which lead people to overeat, The Telegraph can reveal.

Scientists working for Nestle and Unilever have been quietly investigating how certain foods, such as chocolate biscuits, burgers and snacks, make people binge-eat, thereby fuelling obesity. The companies insist that there is no proof that the foods create bio-chemical reactions that make people eat too much. They are not yet prepared to issue consumer warnings or change the nature of the products.

However, scientists working for the industry have said manufacturers fear they have created foods that undermine the body’s abilities to control intake and are battling to find a solution. “We have created a bio-chemical monster,” one said.

The revelation will be seized on by those who allege that the food industry has been reckless. More than 300 million people worldwide are now deemed clinically obese, with an estimated 2.5 million dying each year as a result of being overweight. In Britain, more than one in five adults is obese - triple the figure of 20 years ago.

Earlier this year America’s leading fast-food chains, including McDonald’s and Burger King, were warned of possible legal action from obese people following research on mice and rats suggesting that fast food could trigger overeating. It is now clear that the industry has known for years of similar results from research on humans.

One scientist who acts as a consultant to food manufacturers said: “They are aware that they have been too successful in creating food that some people just can’t say no to. It’s an enormous problem.”

The overeating effect is thought to be triggered by opioids, chemicals which produce a desire to eat more while reducing the “sated” feeling that normally kills appetite.

Research being studied by the industry shows that although the effect is only short-lived, it can have a dramatic effect on food intake. According to a recent review of 20 years of research by scientists at the University of Sussex, when release of opioids was blocked using drugs, intake among human volunteers fell by 21 per cent. The effect was even larger among obese people, whose intake fell by 33 per cent.

Further research also suggests that the opioids effect is strongest with products that involve combinations of foods which are typically high in fat and carbohydrates. These combinations are routinely used to boost the so-called palatability of products, with chocolate being added to cereals and biscuits, cheese added to savoury snacks, and buns with a high sugar content being used for hamburgers and cheeseburgers.

The industry has long sought to drive up the palatability of its products. Now, however, it is becoming clear that palatability reflects the effect food has on the brain.

Dr Martin Yeomans, of the University of Sussex, a leading authority on opioids, said: “I am confident that opioids play a role in food intake.”

Dr Yeomans will present the latest evidence linking palatability to over-eating at a scientific meeting this week which is sponsored by leading food companies, including Nestle, the world’s largest, and Unilever.

A spokesman for Nestle in Vevey, Switzerland, confirmed that the company has been studying the role of palatability and opioids in food intake for many years. He said: “We have projects currently running to investigate this and other aspects of obesity and the company will make all necessary changes when there is significant scientific evidence to support such action.”

However, the company did not consider the evidence strong enough to require action: “We have to be certain that there are no unexpected negative aspects.” Unilever, which owns the Knorr, Birds Eye and Ragu brands, is also investigating the links.

At this week’s conference in Groningen, Holland, scientists will present strategies for dealing with the issue, including greater consumer education and labelling.

The findings about the effects of opioids were seized on yesterday by Prof John Banzhaf of George Washington University, Washington DC, who played a key role in the billion-dollar lawsuits against tobacco companies during the 1990s.

During the 1990s, evidence emerged that the industry had manipulated cigarettes’ content to enhance their addictive nature. In 1998, the industry reached a settlement with 46 American state governments totalling $206 billion.

Prof Banzhaf described the food industry’s knowledge of possible links between high-calorie food and over-eating by humans as “astounding”. “This would seem to constitute failure to disclose a material fact - information that might sway the decision of consumers, had they known about it,” he said.

While there is no suggestion that the food industry knowingly manipulates its products to boost over-consumption, Prof Banzhaf said there were parallels with the case against the tobacco industry. “They said smokers smoke for the taste, and it had nothing to do with the brain. It sounds to me that we have something very similar here.”

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you believe anyone is going to change their minds?

And besides, whether we were “adapted” to eat meat or not, we have what’s called free will, so people choose to eat meat because it’s tasty and provides great nourishment for the body.

Sir, I never set out to change anyones mind, I’m just replying to your posts.

You talk about FREE WILL!

here’s some home work for you!

look how easy it is to quit fruits and then see how easy it is to quit meat/cooked foods!

The food industry doesn’t want you to have FREE WILL

because if you really had free will you wouldn’t buy their products!

If anybody wants to see how FREE their will really is?

then I challenge you to go Raw Vegan for 2 days or Vegan for a week!

who’s up for the challenge?

MSG - Slowly
Poisoning America
Author Unknown
5-1-4

I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.

He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: “MSG-Treated Rats” .

MSG?

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.

MSG was in everything! The Campbell’s soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the ‘healthy low fat’ ones. The items that didn’t have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

But it didn’t stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn’t use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis’, Applebees and Denny’s use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!

So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin?

Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, (www.spofamerica.com ), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at 10 Facts About MSG - The Glutamate Association explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

‘Betcha can’t eat just one’, takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!

And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn’t added.

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance: NICOTINE for FOOD!

Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it’s safe to eat in any amount.

How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?

The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002

Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug

Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima

Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar

Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food “manufaturers” have known MSG’s side effects for decades!

Many more studies mentioned in John Erb’s book link MSG to Diabetes,

Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer’s.

But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the “Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act” also known as the “Cheeseburger Bill”, this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: http://www.yahoo.com.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him “Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn’t touch the stuff!” But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn’t want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.

So what do we do?

The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.

Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

But what can I do about it? I’m just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

I for one am doing something about it.

I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won’t tell you.

The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.

The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

Blow the whistle on MSG.

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don’t believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at www.pubmed.com
http://www.pubmed.com . Type in the words “MSG Obese”, and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.

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Break Your Food Addictions
Are you driven to eat certain foods? It could be an addiction.

By Richard Trubo
WebMD Feature

Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario

If the number on your bathroom scale seems to be rising faster than the national debt, and if you repeatedly find yourself piling food onto your oversized plate in an almost reckless manner at all-you-can-eat buffet lines, could you be captive of a “food addiction”?

Most people know that the physically addictive properties of caffeine can make giving up your first (and second and third) cup of coffee in the morning a harrowing way to start the day. But some doctors believe that people are also driven to eat foods like beef and cheese with just as much compulsion, and the reason may be an unrecognized food addiction.

Neal Barnard, MD, for example, says he believes that cheese, meat, chocolate, and sugar are addictive foods in the diets of millions of Americans. Barnard, the author of Breaking the Food Seduction and president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, says that these foods contain chemical compounds that stimulate the brain’s secretion of opiate-like, “feel-good” chemicals like dopamine, which drive our cravings for them.

Alan Goldhamer, DC, co-author of The Pleasure Trap and director of TrueNorth Health Center in Rohnert Park, Calif., agrees. “A large percentage of the population is vulnerable to the effects of this hyperstimulation [from foods that trigger dopamine production], and they get caught up in an addictive cycle,” he says. But unlike the addiction to drugs, which is widely acknowledged, this problem remains largely unrecognized, according to proponents of the food addiction theory.

Food Addiction: Where’s the Beef?

Not long ago, when ads for a potato-chip manufacturer were teasing consumers with the challenge, “Betcha can’t eat just one!”, they may have really meant it!

Food manufacturers have done an exquisite job of recognizing and tapping into our cravings, using persuasive ads and alluring packaging to keep their products tumbling into our shopping carts. “There are so many processed foods that are not only calorically dense, but they also stimulate dopamine production that makes us feel good,” says Goldhamer.

On the other hand, many nutritional experts believe that there are more important risks associated with processed foods that have nothing to do with addictions. “The problem with processed food is that you digest it so quickly that it’s out of your stomach in no time and you still feel hungry,” says Michael Roizen, MD, author of Cooking the Real Age Way. “If you take the fiber out of food, you get a lot of empty calories.”

While lobbyists for food manufacturers may minimize the risks of plates brimming with meat, cheese, and other high-fat items, Roizen says he believes that eating more than 20 grams a day of bad fats such as saturated fats and trans fats can contribute to breast and prostate cancers, as well as what he calls “arterial aging,” which may lead to heart disease, stroke, impotence, memory loss, and even skin wrinkling.

The same goes for sugar, says Roizen, professor of medicine and anesthesiology at the State University of New York College of Medicine in Syracuse. “The main reason to avoid sugar is that it ages your arteries,” he says. Add to that the recent lawsuits against fast-food chains for contributing to obesity and chronic illnesses, and the food industry may feel it is under a siege of supersized proportions.

Getting to Be a Habit

When words like “food addiction” are bandied about, there are plenty of skeptics who hesitate to put foods like cheese and chocolate into the same category as widely acknowledged addictions such as cocaine or alcohol. But Barnard asks, “What other term would you use for a woman who gets into her car at 11:30 at night and drives six miles to the 7-Eleven to get a chocolate bar, and does it every night? She’s gaining weight, she feels profoundly guilty afterward, and though she resolves to stop this behavior, she does it every night, night after night? That’s a food addiction.”

The proponents of this food addiction theory point to possible differences between the sexes in their compulsions. Women may be more susceptible to chocolate, particularly in the premenstrual period. While some men may have a sweet tooth, many more say that the one food they’re least likely to give up is steak. Barnard points to an April 2000 survey of 1,244 adults, which concluded that one in four Americans wouldn’t give up meat for a week even if they were paid a thousand dollars to do so. “It sounds an awful lot like an addiction to me,” he says.

In an animal study at Princeton University in 2002, researchers found that after rats binged on sugar, they showed classic signs of withdrawal (such as “the shakes,” anxiety, and changes in brain chemistry) when the sweets were removed from their diet, suggesting that sugar may have addictive properties.

Yet many doctors and dietitians remain unconvinced that the drive to eat certain foods is a true food addiction. “People do crave three basic tastes – fat, salt, and sugar,” says Keith Ayoob, EdD, RD, associate professor of pediatrics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and a spokesman for the American Dietetic Association. "Infants as young as a few days old do have a preference for sweeter foods. But when you say that a particular food is addictive, you imply that it’s out of your hands. I don’t buy that. I’m not aware of any evidence that chocolate is addicting. People like it because it tastes good.

“Yes, people do get into habits,” adds Ayoob. “But the good part is that habits can be changed.”

Breaking the Food Addiction

If food addictions are real, how difficult is it to break them? Clinical psychologist Douglas Lisle, PhD, says that at the TrueNorth Health Center in Rohnert Park, Calif., where he is director of research, patients have had the most success through “therapeutic fasting” – in essence, rebooting the “hard drive” in their brain through a period of water-only fasting in a medically supervised setting, followed by the introduction of a diet emphasizing fresh fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts, and seeds. (The process is described at TrueNorth’s web site, www.healthpromoting.com).

But if your stomach is already growling at the mere thought of a total fast, try making a complete break just from the foods you crave – a process that Barnard says works much better than trying to eat them in moderation. He argues that staying completely away from a food item for three weeks often resolves the problem. “At the end of three weeks, your tastes will have changed,” he says. “You won’t want the food as much anymore.”

When you get rid of the sugar or chocolate from your diet “cold turkey,” don’t expect any of the withdrawal symptoms that are often associated with other addictions. “Occasionally, a person does say to me, ‘When I stop consuming sugar, I feel lethargic and depressed,’” says Barnard, an adjunct associate professor of medicine at George Washington University School of Medicine. “But withdrawal symptoms are not essential to the definition of a food addiction.”

Also, don’t be surprised if you backslide. “You can expect to fall off the wagon into the waiting arms of chocolate,” says Barnard. “Just like an alcoholic, you may relapse before making the break permanently.”

First of all eating meat IS natural because we started eating meat when we were still…well, animals or primates or whatever you want to call it. We followed nature and it lead us to eat other animals. Now cooking is not natural so let’s not group the two.

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
When I was still eating meat, dairy and eggs, I was spending a lot of time in nature and as a result many aspects of my life were becoming more natural. I started to question why I should eat an egg when it obviously is a baby chick incubator. I asked why I should eat animals who died a violent death. I realized that all the dead animals I ate were disguised so as not to offend me.

I ate out once in a primarily vegetarian restaurant and someone ordered fish. They brought out a fish, head, tail, scales and all. It didn’t seem to do much for this person’s appetite to see this corpse staring back at her.

I quickly found that my cheese was going moldy before I finished it. I no longer liked milk and the last box of fish and chips I bought was hard to swallow. Within about a month I had went from omnivorous/carnivorous to vegan[/quote]

Ok, one thing is to do something because you like it or because you can pull it off, but let’s spare the bullshit about killing animals for food. I know we have horrible farming practices in many nations, but if you just take the notion of killing an animal for food - it’s not ammoral and there’s nothing wrong with that. Again, cooking seems to be the only deviation here.

[quote]By sometime in early 1993, around the time we got married, my wife finally did some colon cleansing.

That did it.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s how I quit smoking. :slight_smile:

[quote]Starting in April 1993 following much introspection, we both emerged with the conclusion and the knowingness that only raw foods are meant to be consumed, and that the only raw foods which appeal to humans are fruit.
The other clear realization was that we never liked vegetables, but rather forced ourselves to eat the stuff, usually smothered in dressing to disguise the taste.[/quote]

STOP!!! HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!! So the only reason you don’t eat vegetables is because you don’t like them? You’ve never seen them without mayonese?
No divine intervention or whitnessing two cuecumbers robbing a liquor store? There are plenty of good recepies with raw vegetables that taste great - plus they’re extremely healthy.

Ever seen Castaway? I don’t think many fish made it after the filming.

In the end your reasoning seems hypocritical. You tell people that although meat tastes good, it is in fact not raw and therefore bad for us. But then you avoid vegetables and nuts just because you don’t like the taste, even though these are both raw and good for you.

Also, life away from the city isn’t even near optimal. People become closedminded and isolated because they don’t get to deal with and communicate with other people. Solitude and privacy are certainly under attack in America but you seem to go to the other extreme of the spectrum. Instead of trying to change your life in the city you chose to just run away.

It's not the city life or the meat that's making us unhealthy - it's the fact that we simply lack raw plant food. It's the low quality of animal products and meals in general. If the meat and milk and juice wouldn't be drug-bloated and pasteurised..... If along with the stakes and chillis and fish we consumed enough vegetables and fruit and nuts people would be pretty damn healthy. You went the extreme route and completely eliminated everything, including vegetables(which are probably healthier than fruit). 

I’m glad it’s working out for you but I’d expect you to be leaner than you are on the piture. Maybe it’s all the sugar in fruit? Think about it.

And I still didn’t hear about how you deal with the boredom. If you ate 10lb of oranges and bananas today, are you going to eat those same things for the rest of the week, the month? Do you devote an entire day to just two types of fruit? It just seems to me like you’ve eliminated the joy of eating from your life and replaced it with mundane mindless consumption. To papraphrase Nike - just chew it.

[quote]Majin wrote:
First of all eating meat IS natural because we started eating meat when we were still…well, animals or primates or whatever you want to call it. We followed nature and it lead us to eat other animals. Now cooking is not natural so let’s not group the two.

Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
When I was still eating meat, dairy and eggs, I was spending a lot of time in nature and as a result many aspects of my life were becoming more natural. I started to question why I should eat an egg when it obviously is a baby chick incubator. I asked why I should eat animals who died a violent death. I realized that all the dead animals I ate were disguised so as not to offend me.

I ate out once in a primarily vegetarian restaurant and someone ordered fish. They brought out a fish, head, tail, scales and all. It didn’t seem to do much for this person’s appetite to see this corpse staring back at her.

I quickly found that my cheese was going moldy before I finished it. I no longer liked milk and the last box of fish and chips I bought was hard to swallow. Within about a month I had went from omnivorous/carnivorous to vegan

Ok, one thing is to do something because you like it or because you can pull it off, but let’s spare the bullshit about killing animals for food. I know we have horrible farming practices in many nations, but if you just take the notion of killing an animal for food - it’s not ammoral and there’s nothing wrong with that. Again, cooking seems to be the only deviation here.

By sometime in early 1993, around the time we got married, my wife finally did some colon cleansing.

That did it.

Yeah, that’s how I quit smoking. :slight_smile:

Starting in April 1993 following much introspection, we both emerged with the conclusion and the knowingness that only raw foods are meant to be consumed, and that the only raw foods which appeal to humans are fruit.
The other clear realization was that we never liked vegetables, but rather forced ourselves to eat the stuff, usually smothered in dressing to disguise the taste.

STOP!!! HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!! So the only reason you don’t eat vegetables is because you don’t like them? You’ve never seen them without mayonese?
No divine intervention or whitnessing two cuecumbers robbing a liquor store? There are plenty of good recepies with raw vegetables that taste great - plus they’re extremely healthy.

Just as most people admit they would be vegetarian if they had to kill the animals, most people would be fruitarian if they were propelled into a natural setting with no tools, no clothes, no cooking utensils, etc…

Ever seen Castaway? I don’t think many fish made it after the filming.

In the end your reasoning seems hypocritical. You tell people that although meat tastes good, it is in fact not raw and therefore bad for us. But then you avoid vegetables and nuts just because you don’t like the taste, even though these are both raw and good for you.

Also, life away from the city isn’t even near optimal. People become closedminded and isolated because they don’t get to deal with and communicate with other people. Solitude and privacy are certainly under attack in America but you seem to go to the other extreme of the spectrum. Instead of trying to change your life in the city you chose to just run away.

It's not the city life or the meat that's making us unhealthy - it's the fact that we simply lack raw plant food. It's the low quality of animal products and meals in general. If the meat and milk and juice wouldn't be drug-bloated and pasteurised..... If along with the stakes and chillis and fish we consumed enough vegetables and fruit and nuts people would be pretty damn healthy. You went the extreme route and completely eliminated everything, including vegetables(which are probably healthier than fruit). 

I’m glad it’s working out for you but I’d expect you to be leaner than you are on the piture. Maybe it’s all the sugar in fruit? Think about it.

And I still didn’t hear about how you deal with the boredom. If you ate 10lb of oranges and bananas today, are you going to eat those same things for the rest of the week, the month? Do you devote an entire day to just two types of fruit? It just seems to me like you’ve eliminated the joy of eating from your life and replaced it with mundane mindless consumption. To papraphrase Nike - just chew it. [/quote]

It’s not boring to me!
anyway what about my challenge, are you up for it?

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
… a humans colon is too long compared to a meat eating animals for us to be natural meat eaters, our teeth are made to rip and munch on plant matter not meat! [/quote]

This just might be the biggest crock of crap I have read on this forum in a long long time!

Damn that was a lot of writing. Now way I can read all that.

I’ve actually been vego eating only for about the last week. I’ve been working a fair bit and didn’t even realise it until yesterday.

I ran out of eggs so no bed time ommelette.

For breakfast I have 500ml light milk, 2 scoops of protein powder, 1/2 cup of oats and some frozen berries. Vwap it up in the blender and good to go.

My next two meals are baked beans and rice. 1 cup of raw rice and 825g of baked beans. Once the rice is cooked it’s 2 big meals.

Another protein shake that night.

And for dinner, a salad. I just haven’t had the time/energy to cook meat.

I could never survive on the puny amount you eat fruitarian. And what about fibre mate? You wouldn’t be getting much on the juice of oranges and 2 avocadoes!

Does this tremendous load of touchy-feely bullshit make anyone else want a bacon cheeseburger?

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Does this tremendous load of touchy-feely bullshit make anyone else want a bacon cheeseburger?[/quote]

(Raises hand)

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Does this tremendous load of touchy-feely bullshit make anyone else want a bacon cheeseburger?[/quote]

If it swim flys or runs I’ll eat it!

Wow you just wrote a whole lot of crap and even sourced it! Congrats, that must mean you are like a total genius scientist right? Well, I didn’t read any of it because what preluded it was enough for me to deem you an idiot, and therefore a waste of my time to read what an idiot has to say, and especially what an idiot’s sources have to say.

We are Omnivores, you tit. I actually feel like eating you, just so you could witness the efficacy of our incisors and canines!

While you may have had some valid points in your 12 page essay, some that I may have even agreed with or at least sympathised with, you have prevented that from happening by actually uttering something as stupid as suggesting we are anything other than omnivores.

Congrats Captain Planet.

-Sep.

[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
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You obviously believe this stuff. Have you lost or gained and how much either way since starting this lifestyle. I do believe quality over quantity is better for your body and gains over the long haul. For example I’m confident that all grains, potatoes and legumes are bad for your health and training as per the paleo diet. Can you sum up the principles behiind the fruitarian diet so I don’t have to read all that? How can you maintain/gain any muscle without protein?

Congrats on the mental disipline to eat that way too! It can’t be easy.