Dips and Chin-Up PB (Videos)

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[quote]IconoclastSeth wrote:
at a bodyweight of 160 my best dips were a set of 8 with 150 and a set of 6 with 155 the next week.

Chin-ups, not as good a set of 5 with 75 when I weighed in the 140s.

Right now I am weighing 150 and maxed at 80 X 1 the other day, job is more strenuous though. Will have the dips back up to par soon though.

-Seth[/quote]

For a sec, I thought you said chins for 80 x 1, though I still wouldnt be surprised with some. Either way, thats sick.

Did you mean chins or pulls?

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[quote]Croooz wrote:
Of course they are going to correct your form because it’s always easier to critique than to do.[/quote]

I know you were trying to be a smart arse, but this is actually true.

Suppose someone can deadlift 400lbs with decent form. Then some little guy posts crazy videos of his awful deadlift form with 525lbs or whatever it was.

You don’t need to be able to outlift someone’s poor form lifts with correct form to be able to see the errors they’re making.

Unless of course good form at 525 looks completely different to good form at 400.

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
Da Fruitarian, if everything you’ve posted is true, and if you continue to build strength and size on this diet, please visit your nearest medical school so they can study you in depth. Science would have a lot to learn from your body, and I’d be very interested in reading about it.[/quote]

They really would. I know a guy who lives off fruit and barely eats at all. He eats one decent meal sometimes. He says he’s been doing it for very long and his body will reject food if he tries to eat normally. He also said that he can neither loose nor gain weight - his body metabolism seems to be fixated on this one weight and never shifts more than a couple of pounds in any direction.

Now the dude isn’t really big, but very ripped and solid. I guess these are rare cases with freak metabolisms. You’d think eating sweet fruit would give you diabetes but I guess if that’s your only calorie source the body doesn’t process it the same way it otherwise would.

Some of the biggest apes just eat greens and fruit, cows and horses can live on grass… but I’ve got a protein shake and it 'ain’t the time for experiments :slight_smile:

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[quote]Majin wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Da Fruitarian, if everything you’ve posted is true, and if you continue to build strength and size on this diet, please visit your nearest medical school so they can study you in depth. Science would have a lot to learn from your body, and I’d be very interested in reading about it.

They really would. I know a guy who lives off fruit and barely eats at all. He eats one decent meal sometimes. He says he’s been doing it for very long and his body will reject food if he tries to eat normally. He also said that he can neither loose nor gain weight - his body metabolism seems to be fixated on this one weight and never shifts more than a couple of pounds in any direction.

Now the dude isn’t really big, but very ripped and solid. I guess these are rare cases with freak metabolisms. You’d think eating sweet fruit would give you diabetes but I guess if that’s your only calorie source the body doesn’t process it the same way it otherwise would.

Some of the biggest apes just eat greens and fruit, cows and horses can live on grass… but I’ve got a protein shake and it 'ain’t the time for experiments :slight_smile:
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There are plenty of very fit raw foodists out there. While you may not run across very many HUGE ones, you will find that many are in excellent condition. It’s a common misconception that raw foodists are malnurished. Humans, like every other creature on Earth, are designed to eat raw food.

Raw foodists don’t generally concern themselves with caloric intake or macronutrients and eat more intuitively. From what I’ve experienced, you can’t really apply standard nutritional principles to a raw food diet. What kind of screws things up is that mainstream nutritional science primarily studies diets that include substantial amounts of cooked food in them.

The body simply reacts differently to cooked foods. It percieves them as a threat.

Many raw foodists believe that modern nutrition science is, in essence, studying how we can poison ourselves over the most extended period of time. It would be unnecessary if humans didn’t mutate our natural diet so much.

So, stories like the above aren’t an anomoly. They’re the norm among raw foodists who work out. The unfortunate part is that there just aren’t that many raw foodists running around. Cooked food is too addicting.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Majin wrote:
Miserere wrote:
Da Fruitarian, if everything you’ve posted is true, and if you continue to build strength and size on this diet, please visit your nearest medical school so they can study you in depth. Science would have a lot to learn from your body, and I’d be very interested in reading about it.

They really would. I know a guy who lives off fruit and barely eats at all. He eats one decent meal sometimes. He says he’s been doing it for very long and his body will reject food if he tries to eat normally. He also said that he can neither loose nor gain weight - his body metabolism seems to be fixated on this one weight and never shifts more than a couple of pounds in any direction.

Now the dude isn’t really big, but very ripped and solid. I guess these are rare cases with freak metabolisms. You’d think eating sweet fruit would give you diabetes but I guess if that’s your only calorie source the body doesn’t process it the same way it otherwise would.

Some of the biggest apes just eat greens and fruit, cows and horses can live on grass… but I’ve got a protein shake and it 'ain’t the time for experiments :slight_smile:

There are plenty of very fit raw foodists out there. While you may not run across very many HUGE ones, you will find that many are in excellent condition. It’s a common misconception that raw foodists are malnurished. Humans, like every other creature on Earth, are designed to eat raw food.

Raw foodists don’t generally concern themselves with caloric intake or macronutrients and eat more intuitively. From what I’ve experienced, you can’t really apply standard nutritional principles to a raw food diet. What kind of screws things up is that mainstream nutritional science primarily studies diets that include substantial amounts of cooked food in them.

The body simply reacts differently to cooked foods. It percieves them as a threat.

Many raw foodists believe that modern nutrition science is, in essence, studying how we can poison ourselves over the most extended period of time. It would be unnecessary if humans didn’t mutate our natural diet so much.

So, stories like the above aren’t an anomoly. They’re the norm among raw foodists who work out. The unfortunate part is that there just aren’t that many raw foodists running around. Cooked food is too addicting.[/quote]

Hey AZMOJO, you sound like you know some raw vegans, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head sir!!! well done. Once you go raw it takes a while to be able to get back in training because your body is so tired from cleaning out all the junk out of your system, that’s another reason why you don’t see so many raw vegans working out.

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Quit note: A Chin up is when your chin comes ABOVE the bar, not grazes it.

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To the people talking about raw food diets. Yeah, that’s not too big of a concern since it can be as natural as it gets.

However, it’s not like he’s eating a raw fish, or getting in some raw eggs.

This guy says he’s living off of fruit juice and a piece of fruit. Unless he’s consuming mass quantities of juice, his caloric intake is probably what 500-700 calories a day max?? come on, that’s just plain absurd.

Apparently, he’s malnurished since he can’t seem to realize his form on the lifts is horrendous and should be laughed at. Drop the weight, drop the ego a bit too. It’s ok to do a little less weight (which would still be quite impressive) while using correct form.

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According to the site, if your diet consists of eating a lot of nuts and seeds, then many of them contain more than 10 per cent protein:

Peanuts have 26% of protein;
Almonds have 19 %of protein;
Walnuts contain 18,5 % of protein;
Brazil Nuts have 17% of protein;
Coconut has 6% of protein;
Cashew and chestnuts have 3% of protein.

The protein content of fruits is significantly lower:

Dates 2.5 % of protein;
Avocado 2.5% of protein;
Grapes 1.5% of protein;
Figs 1.5% of protein;

If one avoids all nuts, surely it would be difficult or close to virtually impossible to get the daily protein content one’s needing, especially if training more than once a week is thrown into the mix. That’s a lot of dates and figs needed!

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[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
I just eat what I need, when I need it, I don’t believe in the protein, calorie, vitamin and mineral stuff!!!
the way I see it it’s not what I want it’s what my body needs and that’s what I listen to!!!
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It’s statements like these that caused me to react the way I did. He “doesn’t believe” in calories, protein, vitamins and minerals. uh… okay.

The problem I see is not that he doesn’t eat meat, or even that he doesn’t eat cooked food. I have no real problem with vegetarians, vegans, or whatever on this site because they’re still playing by the same rules as the rest of us, so to speak. They know that they need protein and a caloric surplus daily to gain mass and strength.

This guy, while not huge, is pretty strong and well built, yet he claims to live off some orange juice and bananas - some days not even eating at all. If we believe this we must believe that he’s figured out some way to gain mass and strength with a caloric deficit, and that’s pretty hard to swallow.

On top of this, Fruit-man and his supporters have offered no explanation of how this is possible, except some vague allusion to the “rules being different” for raw food. If the rules are different, I’d like to know exactly how. Someone please explain this.

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JMB

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[quote]SUPERUNKNOWN wrote:
If one avoids all nuts, surely it would be difficult or close to virtually impossible to get the daily protein content one’s needing, especially if training more than once a week is thrown into the mix. That’s a lot of dates and figs needed![/quote]

No dates and figs at all, just orange juice and a few bananas! Remember, “the rules are different” for raw food. :wink:

JMB

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I’ve heard of people claiming to be living off of oxygen alone. When digging deeper, they were in fact swallowing several pills a day, along with “shakes” of various sorts.

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And that sort of thing is exactly what I think is going on here. I concerns me that some people are buying into this misleading hype…

JMB

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[quote]Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:
for instance this season I’ve been living off of oranges juice(sucking juice from wedges)and maybe 4 bananas a day, I don’t force myself to do this it’s just the way it is!
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Whole bananas or .9 of a banana?

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[quote]JMB wrote:
Da Fruitarian 1 wrote:

This guy, while not huge, is pretty strong and well built, yet he claims to live off some orange juice and bananas - some days not even eating at all. If we believe this we must believe that he’s figured out some way to gain mass and strength with a caloric deficit, and that’s pretty hard to swallow.

On top of this, Fruit-man and his supporters have offered no explanation of how this is possible, except some vague allusion to the “rules being different” for raw food. If the rules are different, I’d like to know exactly how. Someone please explain this.

–
JMB
[/quote]

That’s tough to answer, but it does seem that the rules are a little different, you realize it when you experience it. I wish I had a more scientific explaination, but I don’t, just observation. Maybe it has something to do with artificially inflated caloric demands.

Say, for instance, you accept that cooked food(not to mention processed food) is toxic to the system. By consuming a diet of primarily toxic substances, aren’t you creating more work for you body to; A) neutralize these substances, and B) extract whatever nutritive value it can from them?

If so, then your body would require more fuel to perform these functions than it otherwise would. It would also need more raw material to satisfy it’s requirements. Hence, the need for so many calories. If you didn’t expend so much energy de-toxifying your system, wouldn’t your caloric intake requirements be less? I think it’s something worth considering.

Nutrition studies the body’s relationship with food, right? Up until now, “food” has been defined in it’s modern context of being cooked, or otherwise prepared. Again, assuming that we are really not designed to eat cooked food(although we may have adapted certain defense mechanisms to it by now), then little of that data is really applicable to the true human diet. If the entire nutritional model is flawed, than how do we really know what the body requires?

Just some food for thought:)

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Good lifts, expecially the dip.

However, I’m very close to call BS on your diet.
So you say you live of a few bananas and a bit o’ juice? Oh and sometimes you don’t eat anything at all?
Please verify that. Just lying around you would probably burn more calories. Also, shouldn’t you have a BF like 5%?
Really, I wish I could believe you, but I rather trust basic science (1plus1=2, eating less than 1000 calories=madness).

Stay healthy,
Schwarzfahrer

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After studying the thread a little longer, I cannot believe that his claims actually polarizes people.
I truly respect all vegans/vegetarians. The guys sometimes have a hard time with meals, especially while on the road.
Now I hear something about living only from fruits, by which I literally mean just a handful of fruits.
How can you be serious?
The best thing is, some guys claim this is just some more or less freakish metabolism.
You don’t seem to get it.

The average T-Man from this site eats at least TEN TIMES MORE.

This guy seems to have found the way to end famine, he’s like some divine fusion reactor, he creates more energy than he consumes.

Also, regarding some paleo experts:
It’s totally ridiculous to saythat we are built to eat only raw food.
If that would be the case, I don’t understand how we evolved into homo sapiens sapiens.
If our ancestors could have lived happily by consuming just a handful of bananas, they wouldn’t have been motivated to start hunting and leaving the trees.
You ain’t gonna go postal on some 15 ton mammoth because his meat is so tasty.
It’s because you need the meat to survive!
Also, I’m getting tired of all these mutant genetics.

Now Flex Wheeler was a freak. I read once that he lacked some catabolic hormones, which means that hundred years ago, during a drought, he would have been the first to die. But today, someone like him can not only survive but be a superathlete.
These are freaky genetics.

Nontheless, fruitarian, good work on the dips.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Also, regarding some paleo experts:
It’s totally ridiculous to saythat we are built to eat only raw food.
If that would be the case, I don’t understand how we evolved into homo sapiens sapiens.
If our ancestors could have lived happily by consuming just a handful of bananas, they wouldn’t have been motivated to start hunting and leaving the trees.
You ain’t gonna go postal on some 15 ton mammoth because his meat is so tasty.
It’s because you need the meat to survive![/quote]

So are you saying that as soon as our ansestors began hunting they cooked? Don’t be absurd. They ate RAW meat and drank blood. It’s the kind of raw diet not many are prepared for. And it’s true - some people can maintain a much higher body weight then you’d think from their caloric intake.

Anyway, the lifts are ok but I just see nothing impressive in the physique, looks like an average skinny guy. I think his diet has some merit as far as there being a way to train your body into not requiring so much food. But it seems boring. I love to eat and drink different and delicious food and I’ll be damned if I limit myself to just fruit. I mean hell, not even veggies?

Not that I’m for the typical bulking bullshit where you walk around stuffed like a pig but only fruit just seems way too boring and unidimensional.

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Obviously being a fruitarian makes you add exclamation marks to everything. HE MUST
BE SUPER HAPPY!!! LETS ALL BECOME FRUITARIAN NUTTERS!!! (OOPS, NO NUTS RIGHT!?)

:wink:

-Sep

P.S: Post your diet, your routine, and your source of protein if you wish the flaming to stop. Apart from that, to the guy in the vids, whether it be you or not, congrats on the heavy dips, and cute kid by the “chin-ups”.

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great lifts

also, great troll. this is right up there with fat t man asking if he should go on a bulk

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Hey fruitarian, I didn’t know you were on this board. Great vid, your strength is definitely gaining.