I can currently Dip 170kg,375lb (bw90kg +80kgdip) 6 reps.
Decline Dumbell Press 60kg 6r
Flat Bench is 100kg 6r??
What is with my shitty carryover? I should technically have a much stronger bench , around 140x6 going on these numbers but don’t. It seems as the gradient gets higher on bench from decline-incline I get substantially weaker and notice extreme front delt involvement. I can flat bench now for most part without front delt by retracting scapula and keeping an arch, but can’t touch incline. What is the issue at hand here?! I do mobility work every session
Why did you add body weight to your dip numbers?
However looking at your lifts I think you’ve concentrated more on dips in the past,to bench higher numbers, you have to bench more. Good work on your dips though,it is sort of rare to see someone dipping with that much weight.
When someone asks you what you dip, because you’re carrying your bodyweight as well I always say bw weight. Thank you though, I think we all just have strong lifts that we naturally are better at than other lifts, thats one for me.
My grip on all pressing lifts is narrow. I would say just outside shoulders.
[quote]JohnMcG wrote:
Having a big issue here, feedback needed
I can currently Dip 170kg,375lb (bw90kg +80kgdip) 6 reps.
Decline Dumbell Press 60kg 6r
Flat Bench is 100kg 6r??
What is with my shitty carryover? I should technically have a much stronger bench , around 140x6 going on these numbers but don’t. It seems as the gradient gets higher on bench from decline-incline I get substantially weaker and notice extreme front delt involvement. I can flat bench now for most part without front delt by retracting scapula and keeping an arch, but can’t touch incline. What is the issue at hand here?! I do mobility work every session[/quote]
It is not surprising. i weigh 85 kg (187 lbs) and i can do 54 dips but i don’t think i can go even for 30 reps on the bench with 187.
Without knowing and seeing more, probability would say significantly truncated ROM on your dips and decline press compared to your flat bench. You probably cannot appreciate how much shorter your stroke is on those movements. If you have relatively weak delts and upper back, the effect would be compounded.
[quote]JohnMcG wrote:
What is with my shitty carryover? I should technically have a much stronger bench, around 140x6 going on these numbers but don’t.[/quote]
Says who? Apparently it doesn’t work like that for YOU.
You realize that you are not lifting your arms when you dip, so the weight of your arms should be subtracted from your bodyweight to make a fair comparison.
Personally, I love it when I see this. Assistance work doing nothing for the main lifts. Proof is in the pudding. That is why I stopped ALL assistance work. Worst case scenario I’ll do a partial range of motion. All assistance work did was hinder my recovery. Yes, it’ll make you stronger in general, but for powerlifting, I don’t see the point. It’s fine if others want to do it and think it works, but I have never seen the upside. I’ve gained more in knocking out all the assistance.
If you want a bigger bench press, then bench. If you want a bigger curl, then curl. It’s a movement, like any other exercise.
[quote]osu122975 wrote:
Personally, I love it when I see this. Assistance work doing nothing for the main lifts. Proof is in the pudding. That is why I stopped ALL assistance work. Worst case scenario I’ll do a partial range of motion. All assistance work did was hinder my recovery. Yes, it’ll make you stronger in general, but for powerlifting, I don’t see the point. It’s fine if others want to do it and think it works, but I have never seen the upside. I’ve gained more in knocking out all the assistance.
If you want a bigger bench press, then bench. If you want a bigger curl, then curl. It’s a movement, like any other exercise.[/quote]
I have actually had the opposite experience, wherein my lifts started improving the most once I stopped training them directly.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I have actually had the opposite experience, wherein my lifts started improving the most once I stopped training them directly.[/quote]
I believe you.
I was always taught assistance work helps. For me, I just couldn’t recover fast enough. Guess it just shows there’s more than one way to skin a cat. The best is that which works for each of us.
I would say Yes my form is pretty much perfect for both lifts.
I tore my ac in my shoulder years ago
I started 5/3/1 around 4 months ago and have introduced the bench for the first time in two years. My accessory work is a little more complex though tailored for athletic purposes. It is usually one dynamic lift , and two other accessory lifts.
Bench doesn’t really feel like a comfortable or powerful lift for me, I feel pathetic at it for my weight. I only use dips at body weight done explosively as accessory work on overhead press day and bench day, but when I test my maximal strength on it every once in a while I’m always very strong. As opposed to bench where i’m weak.
My last PB on bench was two weeks ago got 1008 . PB on Dips was this week when I done 806 as last movement on chest day, which makes me think I would be a lot stronger if it was done on start of a workout
[quote]JohnMcG wrote:
I would say Yes my form is pretty much perfect for both lifts.
I tore my ac in my shoulder years ago
I started 5/3/1 around 4 months ago and have introduced the bench for the first time in two years. My accessory work is a little more complex though tailored for athletic purposes. It is usually one dynamic lift , and two other accessory lifts.
Bench doesn’t really feel like a comfortable or powerful lift for me, I feel pathetic at it for my weight. I only use dips at body weight done explosively as accessory work on overhead press day and bench day, but when I test my maximal strength on it every once in a while I’m always very strong. As opposed to bench where i’m weak.
My last PB on bench was two weeks ago got 1008 . PB on Dips was this week when I done 806 as last movement on chest day, which makes me think I would be a lot stronger if it was done on start of a workout[/quote]
I don’t know man. Just be patient I guess and treat your body well. In my experience, bench takes literally forever to progress sometimes. I have gone months without progress at times.