I’m stating that there isn’t a single study that indicates E2 causes harm. I am in direct contact with multiple PhD researchers, who TEACH PhD candidates, doing strictly this for a living, and can confirm that there is no evidence of E2 causing harm. Yet, you state that it somehow does. So somehow you have access to research that NOBODY I know has ever seen. Since science is the discovery of evidence based truth, I can assure you that they are extremely exited to see what research you bring to the table and how it is possible that they weren’t able to find this while having done research full time for many, many years. They can’t wait to see it.
Why are there plenty of men that use TRT that complain of high E2 symptoms that when given an Ai report feeling better?
Easy. What happens when you give an AI? Less testosterone converts to E2, right? So what is the end result? You wind up with MORE testosterone!
When you stop taking an AI, more testosterone converts to E2. So what do you do? Increase dose to compensate and you will have no issues. You wouldn’t believe how many messages I have with people who stopped taking their AI, their E2 is now above 50 and 60, and they have ZERO symptoms.
You guys don’t have a clue how beneficial E2 is to the body. None. @increasemyt did you even watch the Rouzier video who breaks this whole thing down? Do you have anything to say about it? All the men I know are desperate to find docs that he has trained from all parts of the globe.
Why don’t you watch that video and come back with your comments?
facepalm now your going to give me a “rebound” lecture? LOL it doesn’t exist.
We don’t have a clue? I just spent and hour educating you on the role of estrogens in men and how important they are, you are somehow suggesting that taking an AI in any amount will crash your E2 levels, I am telling you that is FALSE. 100%, no doubt about it, FALSE.
As I have said you are confused about the difference between using an AI appropriately, and taking way too much and crashing your E2.
No I did not watch the video, why would I watch the video you can not even articulate your point correctly?
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One last time, because I realize you’re illiterate:
Nobody said anything about any amount of AI crashing E2 levels. You keep saying that. We did not say that. There is no amount of an AI that is good for you regardless of how small the dose is. There is no amount of E2 that you want to block regardless of how little. Both of them are a BAD idea. Forget crashing levels. That’s something else entirely.
Well yea I keep saying that because that is what wrecks your cholesterol and insulin response, crashing your E2. Not the AI. I have posted literature proving it too.
I know your tiny brain does not understand this, I am not sure why.
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You guys are too much.
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I’m probably going to get in trouble at work today because I’m more focused on this discussion than work.
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Hold on I have a case study coming, talked to one of our clients about to post labs. He has been with us 6 years/
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So, according to you, AI has no detrimental effects on health whatsoever, correct?
Again…please just tell me this was all a big joke. I’m waiting for the “gotcha!”
Patient is 40 years old and has been on anastrozole for 6 years, feels great.
Weekly injections, draw was done day of injection before injection.
What is your problem with these labs? I can provide thousands of these if you would like to see them…
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Oh and yes patient is on HCG
Guys feels great. Great for him. Apparantly this is scientific proof for an AI not causing harm?
Free T of 10 ng dL? I would have to say the patient doesn’t know what great is supposed to feel like.
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Do you want to see more of them? Thousands bro, I do this EVERY SINGLE DAY
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That is in his trough duh
We don’t have to deal with the ups and downs of that method of administration. We do everything daily. We feel good every day. We’re never blocking E2 at any level. We are reaping the benefits of everything E2 has to offer. We aren’t slowly destroying our cardiovascular system with AI use. We are minimizing the number of medications to achieve optimal health.
Dude not everyone wants to inject everyday. We have people on all protocols QD, QOD, Q3D, Q5D, Q7D.
You don’t have to inject everyday, I would argue the ups and downs are in a lot of your heads. Sometimes I inject every 2 weeks and even though it is not optimal, I don’t notice any ups and downs.
Some hyper-secreters (which you do not believe exist) do need to inject more frequently to keep their SHBG up. For these people, yes anastrozole will wreck havoc, because it lowers SHBG by increasing free T.
So everyone is different, TRT is not a one size fits all. Inject for 10 years then come back to me and tell me you want to do it everyday.
I have to say that blanket statements automatically leave people sitting on the wrong side of the fence. Fkr that reason @increasemyt is in the right here. I do believe (as id imagine increasemyt does) that ai should be avoided if its not implicitly needed but to say that ai should never ever be used in any circumstance would be innaccurate. Ive never taken an ai personally and ive only felt bad when my e2 was super low. Ive had my e2 through the roof and never suffered any side effects to speak of. I guess at the end of the day this conversation has gone to far.
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Yes we agree on that, there is no need for an AI initially. But in regards to managing patients, you have to let them try it they want. I can’t tell you how many people swear they have gyno, imagine if we told them no they couldn’t have an AI?
If you did they would just go somewhere else. TRT is a learning process and people need to learn, there is also the argument that in the beginning you need an AI and once visceral fat is gone you don’t, thats because this is where aromatase enzymes hang out.
Then you have the people that had pubescent gyno, they are gonna need it no matter what, and usually a lot of it.
My point was from the beginning is it is not a one size fits all and to say anastrozole is bad for everyone is bad advice, and it definitely is. I probably wouldn’t have kept the conversation going but multiple people continued to attack me personally so I felt the need to defend my position.
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Doesn’t matter how you say it Roscoe. It lowers estrogen and that’s bad. Your body makes estrogen for a reason. Blocking or clearing or whatever is going against how your body naturally operates. Let’s let the body do its job.
If someone is obese and horribly overweight I can see them Taking DiMm until they have lost the weight. Or if they have gyno (genetic). Otherwise nothing is needed.
The symptoms everyone calls estrogen is not estrogen. It’s everyhting else.
Zero studies showing harm in men form estrogen. Nothing.
Many studies showing the benefit.