Dieting -- Appetite Suppression

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]PKNY wrote:
1 Adderall, kills your appetite dead, and will give you crazy energy. You may decide to build a new house in your spare time as well while you are on it. As your wife is a Doc you shouldn’t have trouble getting a script. Take caution though, use this only as a short term solution, it is not a drug you want to get hooked on.

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Sorry, but this is bad advice. YOu will end up more ‘skinny fat’ than when you strated, which surely is far from ideal.

Adderal will massively increase catacholamine levels, which will eat muscle and reduce insulin sensitivity.

BBB[/quote]

With all due respect Bushy, Jewbacca is talking about dropping 30lbs in 60 days.
Unless he is running some gear along with that he is going to burn muscle, and while I agree
addreall is not a solution it is a tool.

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[quote]PKNY wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]PKNY wrote:
1 Adderall, kills your appetite dead, and will give you crazy energy. You may decide to build a new house in your spare time as well while you are on it. As your wife is a Doc you shouldn’t have trouble getting a script. Take caution though, use this only as a short term solution, it is not a drug you want to get hooked on.

[/quote]
Sorry, but this is bad advice. YOu will end up more ‘skinny fat’ than when you strated, which surely is far from ideal.

Adderal will massively increase catacholamine levels, which will eat muscle and reduce insulin sensitivity.

BBB[/quote]

With all due respect Bushy, Jewbacca is talking about dropping 30lbs in 60 days.
Unless he is running some gear along with that he is going to burn muscle, and while I agree
addreall is not a solution it is a tool.
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Sorry, I am “running gear” of sorts. 300mg test cyp/week, plus HcG and adex. This is my standard dose, being an old fuck. Been on this for 2 years, gaining steadily. The quad-continental lifestyle, however, has left me fatter than I like. (Less fat than 90% of the developed world, however.)

And it’s probably 20-25 lbs or so. I really don’t know. I’ll know when I see 8 abs again. I was getting the “powerlifter” belly with abs, but fat and sticking out too much from fat in the gut and love handles.

Down 6lbs one week. Lost 3 lbs first night — no Scotch!

Phen makes it bearable.

I might kill someone, however, for a hamburger and a dark beer. (Not really, but it makes me grouchy.)

Fucking Velocity Diet. Works, but sucks.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]PKNY wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]PKNY wrote:
1 Adderall, kills your appetite dead, and will give you crazy energy. You may decide to build a new house in your spare time as well while you are on it. As your wife is a Doc you shouldn’t have trouble getting a script. Take caution though, use this only as a short term solution, it is not a drug you want to get hooked on.

[/quote]
Sorry, but this is bad advice. YOu will end up more ‘skinny fat’ than when you strated, which surely is far from ideal.

Adderal will massively increase catacholamine levels, which will eat muscle and reduce insulin sensitivity.

BBB[/quote]

With all due respect Bushy, Jewbacca is talking about dropping 30lbs in 60 days.
Unless he is running some gear along with that he is going to burn muscle, and while I agree
addreall is not a solution it is a tool.
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I agree that it is a tool certainly :wink:

But if we here seek the best physique and not some fairly arbitrary number on a ‘gravitational interaction measurment device’ (AKA bathroon scales), then losing even a single gram of muscle goes against that ultimate goal IMO.

Use of adderal would be catabolic even for the gear user. For the unassisted, it could very well be ‘muscle suicide’.

But I take your point my friend.

BBB[/quote]

Much respect Bushy! I have read just about everything you have written on this site!
Keep up the good work!

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I have unfortunately had to cut to the extreme in 5 weeks – about 35 days to compete in a contest.

It was a dumb challenge I placed upon myself, but I love extreme’s and knew I would somehow get into shape in essentially a month.

Started at 12% BF and ended up at 5.5% BF in 35 days. Here are the extreme things ( I do not recommened) that I did to be “competitive.”

As you may guess – CRASH DIET

Tuna and chicken was my ONLY protein
Carbs got depleted each day of the 35 day extreme diet. Started at 100g and decreased 5g of carbs each day until I was at “zero g” around 2 weeks out.

Pre-2003 hormones were still legal at the time so I used EVERYTHING –
M5aa
1Test cypionate
4AD…etc…

Used topical lipoderm + capsaizen + liquid clen twice daily
Used Injectable L-carnitine 5 grams twice daily on fasted stomach.
Used ECA + oral Yohimbine HCL + Biotest T2
Used 5cc of Kynoselen a day
Used nicotine and dostinex to suppress appetite

Cardio on StepMill (Gauntlet) twice a day 2 hours total.

I was morphing by the day — it was actually very incredible to see my stomach thin out each and every day. My abs became sucked in and paper thin right at 14 days out (21 days into diet)

At 5 days out my lower back came in,xmas tree etc…

This was the weakest and worst I had ever felt and was a bonehead for engaging into something like this, but I learned what can be done when you are reckless and determined.

I did win 1st place in my division — but it was a crazy experiment.

-Matt

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Ephedrine, etc will all affect mental performance. Have you tried HOT-ROX?

BBB[/quote]
Sorry about the hijack. Ephedrine affects mental performance? please elaborate/ end hijack

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Use of adderal would be catabolic even for the gear user. For the unassisted, it could very well be ‘muscle suicide’.
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I am curious how adderral would be different than any stimulant (e.g., caffeine or the phentermine Jewy is using).

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Use of adderal would be catabolic even for the gear user. For the unassisted, it could very well be ‘muscle suicide’.
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I am curious how adderral would be different than any stimulant (e.g., caffeine or the phentermine Jewy is using).[/quote]

Because it is a catacholamine, whereas caffine simply stimulates nor-adrenaline release. I suppose you could compare it to the effects of a test booster to a full on AAS cycle. Only in the negative.

BBB[/quote]

So (not to be dense, but I’ve had a hell of a night), phentermine is a catacholamine and would cause very unhappy amounts of muscle loss, absent a ton of protein and AAS?

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Yes, phentermine is a catecholamine, thus it is catabolic. And naturally, catabolism of fat is what you would be wanting, and yes, you would experience catabolism of muscle tissue as well in the absence of proteins and amino acids.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
For grins, I’m adding the B-blend with aminos to the mix because I am ass-dragging rather badly. Not exactly a controlled experiment.[/quote]

Aren’t B-Injectables supposed to increase hunger?

also, i’ve seen mixed reviews on the b-injectables aiding fat loss. keep us posted pls

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Fucking Velocity Diet. Works, but sucks.[/quote]

Are you doing the V-Diet to the letter - shakes only?

if so i dont see why you couldn’t just have whole-food lean protein foods and keep your macros constant with out it affecting progress. maybe look up Rapid Fat Loss by lyle mcdonald

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Use of adderal would be catabolic even for the gear user. For the unassisted, it could very well be ‘muscle suicide’.
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I am curious how adderral would be different than any stimulant (e.g., caffeine or the phentermine Jewy is using).[/quote]

Because it is a catacholamine, whereas caffine simply stimulates nor-adrenaline release. I suppose you could compare it to the effects of a test booster to a full on AAS cycle. Only in the negative.

BBB[/quote]

Ah, thank you. I am doing some cyp, and can increase if need be to avoid loss. I am also doing the velocity diet so I have heavy on the protein. Hopefully this will mitigate the muscle loss.

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BBB,
I’ve recently implemented the technique outlined a few pages ago with regards to ‘preworkout chocolate nutrition’ and I can’t help but feel like I’ve seen results already.
11:00am whey, water, 5g Psyllium Husks Fiber, omega3s
11:50am 2 chocolate bars (dairy milk)
12:00noon train. BCAA’s intraworkout
1:00pm whey, glutamine, glycine, creatine CEE, taurine, NAC
I have no idea why this works, and I’m fairly ignorant as I thought the subsequent insulin crash half way through the workout would cause a slump, evidently I’m wrong. Could you briefly tell me why this ‘golden nugget of information’ works, as I hate to practice something that I cannot preach. Given that these small emendations can make such a great difference, could you tell me anything I could do to that paraworkout nutrition above; I would be most grateful for a brief reply!
Thanks in advance,
James.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
Jewbacca: This little tip BBB shared with me effected an almost immediate improvement in my body composition (not dramatic, but noticeable) without me making ANY other adjustments to my training or diet, and is VERY simple.

Basically I try and keep the majority of my carbs to pre workout to jack up insulin sensitivity. I’ll have a protein shake (with fiber and no carbs, but maybe some healthy fat) about an hour before training (and will usually, depending on the time of day) have eaten an hour or so before that then when I can feel myself ‘carb depleted’ I’ll eat 2 chocolate bars about ten minutes before training. I don’t actually understand how this works but I lost fat and gained about 12LB/5kg (I can’t remember exactly) and lost fat. I also kept the extra weight whereas before my body-weight was 'yo-yo-ing from just over 15 stone up to 16 stone then back down again.

I know it sounds ridiculous eating chocolate for BBing purposes and to be honest if BBB hadn’t told me to do this I would probably have disregarded the advice, but I am certainly glad I didn’t and I still use this ‘trick’ religiously. Did it earlier today in fact :wink:

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D’oh, there you go, giving away my golden nuggets again.

:wink:

BBB[/quote]

I realise it was quite a while ago, so this is what I was referring to ^

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Can’t argue with that. I just find a lot of my life is based on imitation rather than my own knowledge. I suppose it gives much more credence to an argument when you can explain why you’re doing something, but then again, I’lld rather look like beast and no less science than the skinny geek that takes an EEG to the gym.

Thanks again BBB. Based on that reply, if the ‘slump’ occurs post workout, because as you say the response would need to be sustained for as long as we emulate that ‘sabre-toothed beastie’, what would you advocate immediately post-workout and a meal an hour after?
Best.

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Only read a couple pages, but surprised not to see Korean or Siberian Pine nut. Blunts hunger, improves insulin sensitivity and lipid profile…

Not as nuclear as an amphetamine. But then, amphetamines have had their safety issues…

Oh, HOT-ROX worked wonders for me. I’m looking at loosing slowly w/o sacrificing lifts. HOT-ROX eliminated the: dragged out, saggy, dish rag, no motivation hell I feel on long term low carb.