Dieting -- Appetite Suppression

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Null wrote:
Only read a couple pages, but surprised not to see Korean or Siberian Pine nut. Blunts hunger, improves insulin sensitivity and lipid profile…

Not as nuclear as an amphetamine. But then, amphetamines have had their safety issues…

Oh, HOT-ROX worked wonders for me. I’m looking at loosing slowly w/o sacrificing lifts. HOT-ROX eliminated the: dragged out, saggy, dish rag, no motivation hell I feel on long term low carb. [/quote]

Never heard of the siberian nut, so thanks, I’ll have a look for that. Do you have apreferred brand?

HRX works too well in me. Sends me massively hypo/shaky/sweaty. I use nootropics to counter the feelings you describe.

BBB[/quote]

lef (life extension foundation)… It is used for those on calorie restricted diets.

Took about 50lbs of fat off me.

Sorry about HOT-ROX, did you drop the dosage?
HOT-ROX worked well for me…
I went off for a while due to high blood pressure (unrelated, High T caused blood to thicken, couple donations and I’ll be right as rain!)…

LEF is the only source of Omega-3’s that approaches the quality of Flameout. Flameout has better pricing too. Personally, I think they should get Flameout out there (perhaps with different name) to other populations as it is a great product.

Doc says I beat the insulin insensitivity… I find it fairly easy now to maintain weight and not eat too many carbs. I’ll look up nootropics ASAP. Thanks.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]golder wrote:
Can’t argue with that. I just find a lot of my life is based on imitation rather than my own knowledge. I suppose it gives much more credence to an argument when you can explain why you’re doing something, but then again, I’lld rather look like beast and no less science than the skinny geek that takes an EEG to the gym.

Thanks again BBB. Based on that reply, if the ‘slump’ occurs post workout, because as you say the response would need to be sustained for as long as we emulate that ‘sabre-toothed beastie’, what would you advocate immediately post-workout and a meal an hour after?
Best.[/quote]

Notice I said ‘IF’ the slump occurs. As you become more conditioned, you should experience less slump. Or perhaps, as you become more insulin sensitive, you will notice more slump as the blood suger is more effectively soaked up by the muscles.

:wink:

Either way, IMO the ‘correct’ PWO nutrition is 5g of leucine, followed 10 mins later by 40g fast-acting whey (either iso or hydro), then some solid protein about 45 mins after that.

Good luck.

BBB[/quote]

Bushido I have one more question for you regarding paraworkout nutrition/supplementation/cortisol regulation. I don’t want to hijack this thread/keep pestering you, but I’m finding it impossible to wade through all of your previous posts! I’ve done it with your invaluable nootropics thread but it took me several hours and I was hoping you could save the job for me with this question. Let me know if I can post here or if I should email you.

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Ephedrine HCL, although it seems im become tolerant to it

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BBB,
after spiking my insulin pre workout in a carb depleted state with the chocolate, is it still okay to follow the same protocol as I did before this implementation:
INTRA: 10g glycine, 20g BCAA, 5g taurine, 1g tyrosine (when I’m feeling the winter blues)
POST: 5g leucine
10 mins later…60g whey, 5g CEE, 600mg cap NAC
Thanks again for your expertise.

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^i think the initial recommendation was 2 choc bars and 40g whey… i think

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Thanks Lurxalot! Hopefully can get some clarification from Bushido.

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Why is chocolate used to spike insulin? Our of 100’s of different food sources, why is chocolate used?

Is there science involved other than an abrupt insulin spike or is it just a cool sounding and tasty method to appeal to people?

-Matt

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]MattPorter wrote:
Why is chocolate used to spike insulin? Our of 100’s of different food sources, why is chocolate used?

Is there science involved other than an abrupt insulin spike or is it just a cool sounding and tasty method to appeal to people?

-Matt[/quote]

Try it before you knock it. Or don’t. I don’t care, lol. It’s worked on far too many of my clients for me to deny it.

And even with my not inconsiderable nutrition knowledge, I’m not 100% sure exactly why chocolate is the food for this purpose. Sure, it’s a great ‘sell’ to clients to have them eat chocolate, but the protocol is only for ‘hard gainers’ (if you subscribe to that term), i.e. ectomorphs. Mesos don’t usually need it and endos are not insulin sensitive enough to benefit from it.

And it works best if coupled with CPWO, though people will always insist on ‘modifying’ any good idea, even if the mmodifications are not really warranted.

Personally I would say to my clients to ONLY use it if they are a CPWO practitioner, but some people here seem to have neglected that and just added in the chocolate on top of their daily carbs, which begs the question: is it the extra energy from the chocolate that is making the difference.

If added to a strict CPWO, then I believe there are other factors at play. Such as anti-catabolism from the insulin.

That’s about all I can be arsed going into. I’m not here to defend something which I gave out for free that works very well.

:wink:

BBB[/quote]

but why chocolate?

j/k :wink:

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Hey JB, you making any progress on your goal ?

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[quote]PKNY wrote:
Hey JB, you making any progress on your goal ?[/quote]

Yes, I am down 12lbs in 4 weeks, which I think is pretty standard for the Velocity Diet.

I didn’t try to follow the workouts for velocity — did sprint work, stadium stairs (run up, walk down for an hour), and more-or-less full body workouts. About 8 hours total working out per week. Basically take Shabbos off (but I stil walk several miles to and from Shul) and double up on Sunday and Wednesday.

The phen kills my appetite and prevents me from being “punchy,” during weeks 2-4 so I like it.

I ended up using 1/2 of a pill — too much makes me jumpy and 1/2 is enough to kill my appetite which is the purpose. My heart sure as hell races on the stuff — had a resting heartbeat of 115 one day and decided to take a day off! Dropped back to 55 in one day off.

Not nearly as strong as modalert, or any of the similar stimulants they gave me in the IDF, for comparison.

I upped my TRT dosage to 300 to try to help stave-off muscle loss and will for the duration of my dieting. Workouts remains as strong or better, so I am hoping this worked.

I am doing the ween-off Velocity for a couple weeks, heavy on fish chicken and vegtables. Take a break from the phen during this time.

Then take a break and restart Velocity, no phen first two weeks, then again for last two weeks.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]PKNY wrote:
Hey JB, you making any progress on your goal ?[/quote]

Yes, I am down 12lbs in 4 weeks, which I think is pretty standard for the Velocity Diet.

I didn’t try to follow the workouts for velocity — did sprint work, stadium stairs (run up, walk down for an hour), and more-or-less full body workouts. About 8 hours total working out per week. Basically take Shabbos off (but I stil walk several miles to and from Shul) and double up on Sunday and Wednesday.

The phen kills my appetite and prevents me from being “punchy,” during weeks 2-4 so I like it.

I ended up using 1/2 of a pill — too much makes me jumpy and 1/2 is enough to kill my appetite which is the purpose. My heart sure as hell races on the stuff — had a resting heartbeat of 115 one day and decided to take a day off! Dropped back to 55 in one day off.

Not nearly as strong as modalert, or any of the similar stimulants they gave me in the IDF, for comparison.

I upped my TRT dosage to 300 to try to help stave-off muscle loss and will for the duration of my dieting. Workouts remains as strong or better, so I am hoping this worked.

I am doing the ween-off Velocity for a couple weeks, heavy on fish chicken and vegtables. Take a break from the phen during this time.

Then take a break and restart Velocity, no phen first two weeks, then again for last two weeks.

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Sounds good, do you have any means to measure body comp ? Calipers, Tanita scale ?
I bought a new Tanita scale last summer, measures weight, Water and Body Fat %. I take the
last line with a grain of salt but its a good tool for $70 US to keep you on track.
Wow, 115 resting…that would freak me out! I can’t take Phen, makes me a nasty bastard.
Good luck and keep us posted on the progress!

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]MattPorter wrote:
Why is chocolate used to spike insulin? Our of 100’s of different food sources, why is chocolate used?

Is there science involved other than an abrupt insulin spike or is it just a cool sounding and tasty method to appeal to people?

-Matt[/quote]

Try it before you knock it. Or don’t. I don’t care, lol. It’s worked on far too many of my clients for me to deny it.

And even with my not inconsiderable nutrition knowledge, I’m not 100% sure exactly why chocolate is the food for this purpose. Sure, it’s a great ‘sell’ to clients to have them eat chocolate, but the protocol is only for ‘hard gainers’ (if you subscribe to that term), i.e. ectomorphs. Mesos don’t usually need it and endos are not insulin sensitive enough to benefit from it.

And it works best if coupled with CPWO, though people will always insist on ‘modifying’ any good idea, even if the mmodifications are not really warranted.

Personally I would say to my clients to ONLY use it if they are a CPWO practitioner, but some people here seem to have neglected that and just added in the chocolate on top of their daily carbs, which begs the question: is it the extra energy from the chocolate that is making the difference.

If added to a strict CPWO, then I believe there are other factors at play. Such as anti-catabolism from the insulin.

That’s about all I can be arsed going into. I’m not here to defend something which I gave out for free that works very well.

:wink:

BBB[/quote]

Not knocking it – just curious about the specific use of that food. Most of the time when carb depleted whether a higher fat approach or cyclic carb approach, the re-introduction of super abrupt-insulin spiking foods will cause extreme vasodilation to occur.

I did a natural hormonal enhancement approach w/ twice weekly refeeds and I used amylopectin barley for my carbohydrate and I became cosmetically enhanced withing 15 minutes of ingestion.

I can see how chocolate would work well , given you are under the right circumstances of being depleted enough, and lean enough.

-Matt