Diet Modifications

I have been trying to formulate an effective diet for my goals: to drop 10-15 pounds, and become much leaner. Recently, I changed my diet to something like this:

Meal 1:
3 Eggs - 2 whole, 1 white
1 Slice of cheese

Meal 2:
Hamburger meat (90% lean burger patty)
1 Slice of cheese

Meal 3:
Serving of peanuts

Meal 4:
1/2 4% milkfat cottage cheese
1 teaspoon of natural PB

Workout - Either cardio (high octane cardio) or weight training depending on the day

Meal 5:
Grow! With some oatmeal and a teaspoon of natural PB

Meal 6:
Either a grilled chicken breast or salmon
Either a salad or grilled vegetables

Along with this, I take 1 metabolic enhancer in the morning, and 1 before my workout. Are there any changes you would make? Or, could you give a good example of a typical day for a diet such as this? Like I said, I want to drop some fat fast, and become leaner. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time!

Obviously you’re going the very low carb route, as there are hardly any in your plan.

How much do you weigh and what is your current bodyfat %? This’ll help determine if your caloric intake is sufficient, because from the info provided, it may be too low.

Check out T-Dawg 2 by clicking on FAQ at the bottom of the page and finding it there. It allows more carbs, while still keeping them low enough to give you the type of results you’re looking for. It also gives some guidelines for caloric intake and protein levels, along with the guidelines for amounts of carbs and addresses the types of fats to consume.

And, it’ll be a heck of a lot easier to stick to than the plan you’ve outlined.

Ok, what is your weight, bodyfat etc… As far as the diet goes you are obviously going low carb, but you have compensated for the reduction in calories from carbs with calories from fat rather than protein. Unless you weigh around 120-150 lbs. I would increase the protein. Just my opinion, maybe it will help.

Hmm, we need to know some more info.

Height/weight, basic goals in mind, current BF…

Sorry about that.

5’11"
195 lbs
18%

Probably depends on what you mean by “hamburger meat” or “chicken” as far as a portion is concerned. Looks like you are eating air to me.

Drop the cheese and the hamburger meat. Replace it with tuna, chicken, or lean steaks. I always lower saturated fat when trying to diet down. I think it definitely helps me out. Also replace your grow+oatmeal with something like surge. If you can’t afford surge than just drop the natural peanut butter in your grow+oatmeal. Eating fats in your post workout meal will just blunt insulin and hurt your recovery process. Don’t worry, something like surge will do more good than bad. And when cutting I also like to replace peanuts and natural peanut butter with olive oil. I find it a lot harder to over eat with olive oil than peanuts or natural peanut butter which both I love. Check out the article on the t-dawg 2.0 diet. It doesn’t sound like you are counting protein,carbs,fat, or calories and it would help out a big deal if you did. If you aren’t cutting calories, then you are just shooting yourself in the foot. Hope this helps.

Did you read T-Dawg 2 yet?

have you read “eat like a man part I and II?”

if not do so. it looks pretty good to me, i would probaably eat some more fat though. you dont want your calories to be too low. mix in a hot dog or some salame that will give you some extra fat grams that you need if your following anabloic diet principles.

btw it has worked great for me.

Hi, there, srow. Welcome to T-Mag.

From the looks of things you’re making some good choices. Clean food; veggies, LC Grow, chicken breasts, eggs, etc. But I don’t see numbers/amounts and a macronutrient breakdown. Why is that important? Well, unfortunately, you can get bigger (and fatter) even on good, clean food. Many times the only difference between a bulking diet and a cutting diet is the AMOUNT or numbers.

Recommendation number one is that you keep a food log and get a nutritional desk reference. As mamann pointed out, you’re restricting carbs (which is what I do). But there’s a trick to carbs. Too much and people get fat and feel mentally lethargic. Too few carbs, and their energy levels start to suffer. You need to be hitting numbers. I’d recommend the following:

LBM is 160 pounds. You need to be taking in between 1g and 1.5g of protein per pound of LBM; i.e., 160 to 240g of protein per day, divided into 6 meals. If you’re physically active and workout, I’d definitely go with the 1.5 number.

Fat should be roughly .5g per pound of LBM; i.e., 80g. Four tablespoons of that (15g x 4 = 60g) should come from good fat, either flaxseed oil or high-dose fish oil (6-10g of EPA/DHA). There are INCREDIBLE performance and endurance and cognitive benefits to taking in 6g of EPA and DHA. If you’ve not familiar with high-dose fish oil, use the search engine and read up on it.

Carbs, once again, are highly individual. You won’t be able to optimize the number unless you have a number you’re trying to hit on a daily basis. Like mamann, I like T-Dawg 2.0 and think it’s a great starting point; i.e., 100g of carbs per workout day and 70g of carbs per non-workout day. Workout means lifting weights, not cardio.

I have a personal prejudice against dairy. Go ahead and start your diet with the cottage cheese and regular cheese, but be willing to give it up down the road if you hit a plateau or find you’re softer than you’d like to be. Milk has a type of sugar in it called galactose. Galactose can only be processed in the liver and can only refill liver glycogen stores. It cannot fill muscle glycogen stores, which is the goal and purpose of taking in carbs in the first place. What’s worse is that if liver glycogen is full, the incoming galactose cannot be processed in the liver and is immediately converted to triglyceride and stored as subcutaneous fat. NOT good! Body builders cut all dairy out of their diet when cutting for competition. You may not have to do that, but be aware of the potential problem. Myself, I only take in dairy on my cheat meal/day.

Natural peanut butter is better than the hydrogenated kind (with sugar) you get in the grocery store and it sure does taste good, but it’s calorically dense. Use it to meet fat requirements after you’ve taken in your 4 tablespoons of EFAs.

Have I taken everything you love away from you yet? (wink & grin)

Meal 5 (on workout days only) should be Surge or a Surge substititute. Surge is the single most important supplement or food you can put in your mouth. Once again, use the search engine and read up on it. John Berardi formulated it. Surge does such a good job of increasing/promoting protein synthesis and reducing cortisol that T-Dawg 2.0 even factored it into the diet.

In fact, as far as PWO nutrition goes, I’d love to see you eat P+F meals all day long, take in Surge after your workout and the remainder of your carb alotment as starchy carbs (brown rice, sweet potatoes or oatmeal) in Meal 6. That would be a highly anabolic approach to dieting, one that would preserve and promote LBM and reduce BF at the same time.

Try hitting the numbers I recommended. Don’t even worry about calories at this point, just grams of protein, fat and carbs. Get your body fat tested by someone that is experienced once a month, and make sure it’s the SAME person. There are times where I was dieting that scale weight was going up and BF was going down. If you look at the scale as your only measure of success or failure, you may start making changes based on emotion and not logic.

And if you hit a plateau, my personal preference is to pick up activity level; i.e., AM sessions of cardio, longer duration, moderate intensity (65-75% of MHR). I’ve been doing 7 days a week of AM cardio, but I have a pretty stubborn metabolism. It’s working.

Oh, yeah, one last thing. You need to factor in a cheat afternoon one day a week. Read up on that, too. My cheat meal is generally high in carbs, low in protein. My last carb-fest was Palak Paneer (an Indian dish made of creamed spinach and cottage cheese cubes over rice), a sweet potato casserole made with a crunchy brown sugar, pecan topping and chocolate cake with whipped topping. I ate until I had a smile on my face.

Is that enough food for thought? (grin)

Any other questions, don’t hesitate to ask.

Good call, clintpatty!

Well, srow, did we? Hmm?

Caution: For optimum results in warding off flamers, better check out that FAQ…

srow, I replied, but I don’t see that it has been posted yet. I’ve saved my message to you, so if I don’t see it in the morning, I’ll send it to you via PM.

Thanks guys. I really appreciate your responses. They are extremely helpful. Especially your’s, Terry :slight_smile:

Meal (serving) - CAL / CARB / PRO / FAT

1.) breakfast
Eggs (3) - 240.00 / 3.00 / 21.00 / 15.00
16 oz water

2.) lunch
Tuna - albacore (1 can) - 175.00 / 0.00 / 40.00 / 1.25
Olive OIl (1 tbsp) - 120.00 / 0.00 / 0.00 / 14.00
32oz water

3.) afternoon snack
Chicken (5oz breast) - 216.67 / 0.00 / 46.67 / 2.50
32 oz water

4.) post-work meal
Oatmeal (1/2 cup) - 150.00 / 27.00 / 5.00 / 3.00

5.) dinner
Chicken (5oz breast) - 216.67 / 0.00 / 46.67 / 2.50
T-Dawg Salad (Parmasean instead of feta) - 354.50 / 7.45 / 23.70 / 26.67
16 oz water

TOTALS - 1472.83 / 37.45 / 183.03 / 64.92

I could/should throw in another meal (protein shake) in here. But, I am currently low on powder -shipment is late(which sucks bad). However, does everything else look in check? I think fats is getting a bit high, as I would rather stay under 60g a day. With the additional meal, considering I had the powder to make it for today, I think I would be more on target in terms of calories and proteins. Any more advise? :slight_smile:

I wouldn’t worry about those fats you have at that level. Assuming you are looking to burn fat they won’t harm anything.

I agree with Antiliberal. Don’t worry about taking in 80g of fat. It’s the right number for your current weight. Fat doesn’t make you fat. Taking in fat with large amounts of starchy carbs will make you fat.

When you cut carbs you HAVE to pick up your fat intake. If you don’t, you’re going to be too hypocaloric (too far below maintenance calories), and you’ll end up losing LBM, something you ABSOLUTELY want to avoid if at all possible. In fact, all of the advice I gave you is based on PROTECTING LBM while dropping BF.

Another thing is that your fat for the day should be divided up into 4 P+F meals. A little bit of fat with each meal will keep you from getting hungry and additionally (paradoxically) help MOBILIZE stored fat.

You still need to read up on Surge. You need high GI carbs PWO and you need starchy carbs (the ones I listed) in Meal 6. This is an absolute, non-negotiable part of your nutrition if you want to preserve the LBM you have and drop BF.

Please read everything you can on nutrition here on T-Mag, srow. I could write paragraphs on the “Why’s” behind my recommendations (like high GI and starchy carbs PWO), but I’m already too long-winded as it is. (grin)

Also, flaxseed oil is as cheap as it gets. No excuses there, either.

You were asking how long it take to see results? Good question. You don’t have a lot to lose, srow. At you BW, I’d shoot for no more than one pound per week. And if you follow my recommendations, you’ll find you’re putting on a few pounds of muscle at the same time, which means you have even LESS to lose or can achieve your goals in a shorter period of time.

You were aking what type of cardio I do?
I do 45 minutes of moderate intensity (70% of MHR) fasted-state cardio. I take in 15g of BCAAs+glutamine in my water (2 quarts per 45-minute session) to protect LBM. I lift 3 days per week (45 minutes), M/W/F. I do Hypertrophy Specific Training (HST). On days I don’t lift, I’ve just started including a second PM cardio session. I’m following the advice I gave you above and have succeeded in putting on muscle and dropping BF.

When trying to improve body composition, I look at two factors; one, how much fat I carry and how much fat I want to lose, and two, how many pounds of LBM I carry and how much I want to put on. The PM cardio session is temporary. I’ll probably be dropping it in the next month. I added the second session to speed up fat loss and to keep from cutting calories.

Remember to get a variety of protein; lamb, chicken, eggs, tuna, fish, shrimp, scallops, lean hamburger, steak, buffalo, ostrich, protein powder, etc.

Hope that answers your questions. If not, don’t hesitate to ask.

Tampa-Terry,

I have to commend you on your posts. That is some detailed answers. You sure know how to explain diet to the unimformed.

You definitely have the main idea.

A few alterations I recomend to optimize it:

  1. While hamburger meat is fine, canned salmon is much healthier, as it contains VERY healthy fats including omega 3s. These will optimize your hormone profile, which will optimize muscle preservation and fat loss.

  2. Switch cheese with nuts, or better yet, olives.Cheese is very high in sat fats. It will also give you a pretty high net acid, which will force your body to use muscle glutamine or bone calcium to neutralize it, clearly not good.

  3. The first meal of the day should ALWAYS AT LEAST have a decent ammount of protein. I dont see anymore than 20 grams. I would double that. Remember you just woke up from an 8 hour fast.

Thanks, JasonL!!! I really appreciate that.

And to think, I learned it all here on T-Mag. Just a case of giving back what’s been given to me by others.

Hey guys. Thanks again for all your help. Honestly, I am already noticing a difference, and am looking forward to seeing the new me in a couple of months. This diet, combined with High Octane Cardio, a 12-week ab program (forgot the name), and lifting 3-days a week seems to be working well for now.

Terry, I just picked up 4 bottles of Fish Oil, so this will now be added to my diet accordingly.

I just have one more question. Things like beef, salmon, shrimp do not always come with nutritional values. Does anybody know of a good resource to find this information?