Did His Shoulder Just Spring a Leak?

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
its not the fault of the sport.[/quote]

Personal opinions will vary, but in my opinion, yes it is.

It is the fault of the sanctioning bodies because they don’t do anything about it.

It has been going on longer than Synthol: there’s implants as well.

In my opinion, when Ferrigno made his comeback (of sorts) for the Masters Olympia, before he ever got to the stage any judge or official that saw his calves – and why not have a look at the competitors before the very last second? – should have gotten a ruling from an authority and said something like,

"Mr Ferrigno, we suspect you have calf implants.

"You have two choices: You can do nothing and enter the contest, but be aware that the judges will believe you have calf implants and you will be judged as your calves being severely lacking, as the judges cannot see the development without the implants but must assume that they are significantly smaller than they appear, else you would not have them.

"Or, you can agree to submit to examination by a doctor, which may include medical scans, agree to withdraw from the contest or be expelled if the conclusion is that you have calf implants, agree that you will pay the cost if you are found to have implants, and we agree that if the finding is that you do not you may compete, it will be made clear to the judges that you have no implants, and we will pay the costs.

“Your choice Mr Ferrigno.”

Dealing with competitors like that, and same with Synthol, would have put a stop to it.

But I agree with what Professor X has written: the judges don’t care.

So yes it is the “fault” of the sport. It has chosen to do nothing about this, when most definitely things could be done.

It wouldn’t even be necessary to do the above. Just have the judges instructed that if they suspect implants or Synthol to mark that bodypart way, way down. After a while the competitors would figure it out. Simple enough.

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This is the video I was talking about before. If you’re easily grossed out maybe you won’t want to watch it.

http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_guy_injected_oil_into_his_arms/

Can anyone tell me what this stuff is? oil? what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, and how does it stay local to the injection site (why doesn’t it move around the body after it is injected). Is it injected directly into the muscle?

Never seen anything like that before.

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Would have been funny if the guy had started shouting, in the middle of the procedure, “Stop now! Stop now! It’s getting too small!” :slight_smile:

Actually I would like to learn what that stuff is.

Reason is, when I was a kid I had a gymnastics accident, utterly thoroughly slamming both triceps into a pommel horse (entire bodyweight behind the hit, and at considerable speed) and had to have them drained by my doctor. There were several visits, and each one involved removing, by syringe, quite a lot of fluid rather like seen there, though not as much.

Incidentally the doctor had been doing a separate needle insertion for each draw, even though they were all to the same point. I had to ask him if he could leave the needle in and just change the syringe. He said good idea, and did that. Kind of sad when a 7-year old needs to be the one to suggest that…

(It was not a case such as in the video where it would have, nor did it, come spurting out of the needle with the syringe removed.)

I’ve never known what that stuff was. I used to figure it was broken-down muscle tissue from the injury but did not know.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Would have been funny if the guy had started shouting, in the middle of the procedure, “Stop now! Stop now! It’s getting too small!” :slight_smile:

Actually I would like to learn what that stuff is.

Reason is, when I was a kid I had a gymnastics accident, utterly thoroughly slamming both triceps into a pommel horse (entire bodyweight behind the hit, and at considerable speed) and had to have them drained by my doctor. There were several visits, and each one involved removing, by syringe, quite a lot of fluid rather like seen there, though not as much.

Incidentally the doctor had been doing a separate needle insertion for each draw, even though they were all to the same point. I had to ask him if he could leave the needle in and just change the syringe. He said good idea, and did that. Kind of sad when a 7-year old needs to be the one to suggest that…

(It was not a case such as in the video where it would have, nor did it, come spurting out of the needle with the syringe removed.)

I’ve never known what that stuff was. I used to figure it was broken-down muscle tissue from the injury but did not know.

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Yeah, telling a medical professional a better way to go about a simple procedure as a seven year old is pretty funny. And sad at the same time…

The amount of crap coming out of that kid was absolutley astounding. I couldn’t look away lol

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

Dealing with competitors like that, and same with Synthol, would have put a stop to it.

But I agree with what Professor X has written: the judges don’t care.

So yes it is the “fault” of the sport. It has chosen to do nothing about this, when most definitely things could be done.

It wouldn’t even be necessary to do the above. Just have the judges instructed that if they suspect implants or Synthol to mark that bodypart way, way down. After a while the competitors would figure it out. Simple enough.[/quote]

In a perfect world that would be the best option, but I don’t think it is realistic for the IFBB. They do not have the financial resources to be examining numerous BB’s. Additionally, if they took this route they would inherently be recognizing the drug use. They cannot acknowledge the drug use as it could lead to legal issues.

The only power they have would be to place BB’s low when they have signs of site injections, synthol and of course fluid squirting.

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
The amount of crap coming out of that kid was absolutley astounding. I couldn’t look away lol[/quote]

couldn’t look away? I couldn’t watch the whole thing, that was just disgusting. they should have cut that guys nuts off so he can’t make any more little dumbasses like himself.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
The amount of crap coming out of that kid was absolutley astounding. I couldn’t look away lol

couldn’t look away? I couldn’t watch the whole thing, that was just disgusting. they should have cut that guys nuts off so he can’t make any more little dumbasses like himself.
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I have a pretty high tolerance for that sort of stuff…

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
This is the video I was talking about before. If you’re easily grossed out maybe you won’t want to watch it.

http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_guy_injected_oil_into_his_arms/

Can anyone tell me what this stuff is? oil? what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, and how does it stay local to the injection site (why doesn’t it move around the body after it is injected). Is it injected directly into the muscle?

Never seen anything like that before.[/quote]

Oh fuck me!!! I have a good tolerance for sick shit, but that’s about my limit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Could they check for that stuff at competitions with a sonogram machine or something? To expensive or time consuming?

You seem to believe that judges have made some issue about this. They haven’t. They don’t care and my guess is, unless you walk in with balloon animals stretching the skin over your biceps, they probably won’t count against it.

However, I see few people actually winning who have OBVIOUS synthol use showing.[/quote]

Reminds me of Nasser. You can see it very clearly in his delts and arms even if you have no idea what to look for. I don’t think guys who use it should be rewarded for it at all, but he sure was.

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
I have a pretty high tolerance for that sort of stuff…[/quote]

I strangely want to thank you for posting this video… It is so interesting I can’t stop watching. I only get grossed out by the blood. The puss, I kinda find intriguing.

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[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
Oh fuck me!!! I have a good tolerance for sick shit, but that’s about my limit.

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Oh come on ya pussy… :wink:

I just wish that my ability to imagine smells based on pictures wasn’t as good as it is.

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
This is the video I was talking about before. If you’re easily grossed out maybe you won’t want to watch it.

http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_guy_injected_oil_into_his_arms/

Can anyone tell me what this stuff is? oil? what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, and how does it stay local to the injection site (why doesn’t it move around the body after it is injected). Is it injected directly into the muscle?

Never seen anything like that before.[/quote]

Dude, that is the most fucked up shit I have ever seen. The sheer volume of fluid coming out of that arm is astounding. I wonder what his arm looks like today?

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holy hell that’s gross

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
This is the video I was talking about before. If you’re easily grossed out maybe you won’t want to watch it.

http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_guy_injected_oil_into_his_arms/

Can anyone tell me what this stuff is? oil? what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, and how does it stay local to the injection site (why doesn’t it move around the body after it is injected). Is it injected directly into the muscle?

Never seen anything like that before.[/quote]

Wow, that was great. I’m sending that link to every gym buddy I have. I love how his buddies kept laughing at him the whole time. I’m surprised the doctors let them in there with the video camera like that.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
BTW, are the top 3 in the class. Sebastien is the one with the short hair. The guy with the pony tail is my old training partner.

http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial091.html[/quote]

Who won?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

Reminds me of Nasser. You can see it very clearly in his delts and arms even if you have no idea what to look for. I don’t think guys who use it should be rewarded for it at all, but he sure was.[/quote]

I’m gonna disagree with you. I’ve watched several of his olympia posing routines on youtube, and I don’t see anything that looks ballooned, or unnatural, well, you know, less natural than a typical bodybuilder. His shoulders don’t look very cut, but most of the more massive bodybuilders just have big huge boulder shoulders like that, with no separation. His biceps also look very hard, and solid. If you think his shoulders couldn’t be that big without enhancement oils, I respectfully disagree. Nasser goes to the same gym I do, and I see him there every so often, and his shoulders are still so damn wide it looks like he’d have to go through doorways sideways. and…you know, synthol wears off.

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I just wanted to say I don’t have a problem with synthol use in bodybuilding, as long as it still looks natural. The guy X posted is a good example. Say what you want about him, but his shoulders do look better now. We all like bodybuilding to see the freaks these guys can be but we look down upon them when we don’t like their methods?

Besides, it’s not like synthol doesn’t come with disadvantages as well. Sure, the guy has bigger shoulders now but do you think he’ll ever get ripped striations in his delts like Munzer did? At the end of the day synthol is just another method (granted, sometimes it’s grossly abused) in which there are advantages and disadvantages (GH, anyone?).

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I just wanted to say I don’t have a problem with synthol use in bodybuilding, as long as it still looks natural. The guy X posted is a good example. Say what you want about him, but his shoulders do look better now. We all like bodybuilding to see the freaks these guys can be but we look down upon them when we don’t like their methods?

Besides, it’s not like synthol doesn’t come with disadvantages as well. Sure, the guy has bigger shoulders now but do you think he’ll ever get ripped striations in his delts like Munzer did? At the end of the day synthol is just another method (granted, sometimes it’s grossly abused) in which there are advantages and disadvantages (GH, anyone?). [/quote]

It doesn’t bother me the way it seems to bother others here, mostly because I NEVER see guys with clear synthol use actually winning most of these contests. Yes, his shoulders look more filled out in still pictures but in videos, it is much more apparent. Overall, his development is impressive…and that seems to be the only place he used it from what I can tell, but when you see them move and that lump stands out, it isn’t like I would want shoulders like that.

Also, he is one of the more minor cases. There is another guy whose name I don’t know and whose pic I can’t find but is in the same NPC vids who CLEARLY uses it in his biceps. He isn’t winning either so the use alone is just an amusing finding to me and nothing more.

I do want shoulders so big some people may think they are fake though.

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Hyena - This was from a issue of MuscelMag a few years ago:

Nasser - “I will go on record as saying every competitor there was using Synthol somewhere”

It was only towards the end of his career his synthol use in his delts became evident, even BB.com has an article writen on it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I just wanted to say I don’t have a problem with synthol use in bodybuilding, as long as it still looks natural. The guy X posted is a good example. Say what you want about him, but his shoulders do look better now. We all like bodybuilding to see the freaks these guys can be but we look down upon them when we don’t like their methods?

Besides, it’s not like synthol doesn’t come with disadvantages as well. Sure, the guy has bigger shoulders now but do you think he’ll ever get ripped striations in his delts like Munzer did? At the end of the day synthol is just another method (granted, sometimes it’s grossly abused) in which there are advantages and disadvantages (GH, anyone?).

It doesn’t bother me the way it seems to bother others here, mostly because I NEVER see guys with clear synthol use actually winning most of these contests. Yes, his shoulders look more filled out in still pictures but in videos, it is much more apparent. Overall, his development is impressive…and that seems to be the only place he used it from what I can tell, but when you see them move and that lump stands out, it isn’t like I would want shoulders like that.

Also, he is one of the more minor cases. There is another guy whose name I don’t know and whose pic I can’t find but is in the same NPC vids who CLEARLY uses it in his biceps. He isn’t winning either so the use alone is just an amusing finding to me and nothing more.

I do want shoulders so big some people may think they are fake though.[/quote]

Exactly. It isn’t like these guys looking like Greg Valentino are winning shows or anything. If a little synthol use makes a bodypart look a little better, good for you for finding something to mitigate a genetic weakness.