Dickheads at the Gym

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[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:
If you think being big gives you preference be prepared to be treated like an asshole.[/quote]

You, like many before you, have completely missed the point trying to be made.

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You mean the straw man argument set up so certain people can be right about the big guy being justified in being an ass?

Why not start another thread to talk about something not analagous to the OPs situation?[/quote]

lol, wooooosh.

Right over your head.
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oh do you mean PX projecting that the OP is not training hard enough? Lets not split hairs here.

I skimmed the thread and posted. Bonez said it would be different if the guy was smaller, agreeing with my satire of how self important big guys are here, but in earnest. Is he your BFF or something?[/quote]

LOL, it doesn’t matter what I say dude, you are going to read what you want to anyway. It is pointless arguing with some of you people.

If you are interested with what the point is, see vtballa’s (sp) post above…

But I would be weary of where you’re taking your position and the shit talking your about to do about others. RE: a 405 pull isn’t that hot. Any serious trainee with half way decent leverages should hit that within their first year. You are not king shit at your gym, rather you probably annoy the fuck out of most of the membership, but keep strutting around like Billy Badass and creeping out the women (who are there to fucking train not be ogled by smug college kids).

Now what were you saying about people’s attitude in the gym?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:
If you think being big gives you preference be prepared to be treated like an asshole.[/quote]

You, like many before you, have completely missed the point trying to be made.

[/quote]

You mean the straw man argument set up so certain people can be right about the big guy being justified in being an ass?

Why not start another thread to talk about something not analagous to the OPs situation?[/quote]

lol, wooooosh.

Right over your head.
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oh do you mean PX projecting that the OP is not training hard enough? Lets not split hairs here.

I skimmed the thread and posted. Bonez said it would be different if the guy was smaller, agreeing with my satire of how self important big guys are here, but in earnest. Is he your BFF or something?[/quote]

LOL, it doesn’t matter what I say dude, you are going to read what you want to anyway. It is pointless arguing with some of you people.

If you are interested with what the point is, see vtballa’s (sp) post above…

But I would be weary of where you’re taking your position and the shit talking your about to do about others. RE: a 405 pull isn’t that hot. Any serious trainee with half way decent leverages should hit that within their first year. You are not king shit at your gym, rather you probably annoy the fuck out of most of the membership, but keep strutting around like Billy Badass and creeping out the women (who are there to fucking train not be ogled by smug college kids).

Now what were you saying about people’s attitude in the gym?[/quote]

Hahahahaha yeah I guess since you have a higher pull you are right. And now your going totally infantile and insulting my lifts. See all the funny things you assumed from another satirical post (the lift was right tho, low 4s still for deads, but i gave you that one. hey its still my first year deadlifting regularly tho so maybe you should be nicer)? They are a reflection of your insecurities. Like how you use cat-taking-a-shit form to pull over 500. See there you made me do it now, it feels so dirty. Thanks for being condesending but not adding anything. Ill “be careful” of you internet badasses frm now on.

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And I just read VTballas post, has nothing to do with the OP or what I wrote, and I agree with it. People talkign on phones should yeild. People misusing equipment should yeild, and spontaneous spotting is weird. Staring at people to get off machines they are using efficiently should not occur regardless of the sizes of the people involved.

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[quote]milktruck wrote:
yeah I guess since you have a higher pull you are right. [/quote]

I’m right because I’m pointing out you being a hypocrite, nothing more.

Just following suit with your BFF comment, hypocrite.

I never put down your pull by the way, I just said it didn’t warrant your self appointed king shit attitude and brag thread. But your own insecurities seem to prevent you from appropriate reading comprehension.

What? That I see douchebags like you described yourself in that other thread every fucking day in the gym. Now, I see you are very sensitive, so try and see that I am not calling you a douchebag, but just pointing out that you are describing yourself as some of the douchebags I see often.

Okay? LOL. When you pull 600, I’ll ask you

WAT teh fuk u takin boot? I was just pointing out how you describe yourself as Billy Badass in the gym in one thread, and then strut in this one and try and put someone down who you assume is doing the same thing.

So… Logic and observation make me a badass? hmmm I never knew.

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dude, some guy said the size of the person mattered in this situation. That is retarded and that is specifically what I was talking about. You joined the conversation talking about some other shit I dont care about to be an ass. I really dont read threads when someone argues with PX because its tiring.

and I highly suggest you look up satire in the dictionary and think hard about the type of threads in the GAL forum. That thread was supposed to make you laugh, and I bet you did till you decided I was bill badass in this thread. My 405 DL in the commercial gym being noteworthy was supposed to be funny in a way, you are reading way too much into what I wrote and projecting something onto it that isnt there. We wont pretend you werent taking shots at me, but I really dont care.

We can be friends, just after I finish my calf raises.

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[quote]milktruck wrote:
dude, some guy said the size of the person mattered in this situation. [/quote]

It does matter, just not in the way some people in the thread are interpreting it to matter.

I’m not going to explain what I mean, because, no offense, if you don’t get it, you won’t. There are people in this thread with their opinions so hard wired in their heads, they won’t allow themselves to see the point trying to be made.

No, my point stands as above. While possibly incorrect, I fully stated my intentions.

If that is the case, then yes I misinterpreted your thread.

I thought it was a brag from the get go, and if that isn’t what you meant, fine. My bad.

[quote]My 405 DL in the commercial gym being noteworthy was supposed to be funny in a way, you are reading way too much into what I wrote and projecting something onto it that isnt there. We wont pretend you werent taking shots at me, but I really dont care.

We can be friends, just after I finish my calf raises.
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I wasn’t taking shots at your lift. I was taking shots at what I thought was you being a hypocrite. If I was wrong about that, I was wrong. If I “projected” into your thread, then so be it, and I apologize for calling you a hypocrite. But, honestly I wasn’t putting down your numbers, and wouldn’t. I was putting down an attitude I thought you had. But if you say you didn’t then so be it.

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[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:
haha if he had posted this and said the guy was a pencil neck high school kid in an affliction t-shirt you all would have taken his side no questions asked. [/quote]

Obviously.

This isnt a cookie cutter situation. That’s the whole point. Human beings interpret a situation and react accordingly. Every part of a situation is taken into account when people make decisions about things. Common sense people. [/quote]

If you take the story as he wrote and assume the 60 seconds rest he mentioned, the other guy was being rude. Not sure how his size colors this without assuming some sense of entitlement that was definitely not mentioned in any gym contract Ive ever seen. You want to kick people off a machine buy one or else queue up like every other paying member. If you think being big gives you preference be prepared to be treated like an asshole.[/quote]

LOL.

I saw a guy on a calf raise machine using it to do literal 1/4" leg presses. He would bend his knees a little and then press back up…as if the calf raise has duel uses. If he would have caught me looking at him as he did this, I guess he would falsely assume his size was the issue?

What are the chances the op looks in any way like a serious lifter who was even using the machine correctly?

Considering the pictures people throw up here, it is one huge fucking jump to assume this OP did everything right in that situation…since most DON’T.

This is WHY Vtballa’s post hit home. Serious lifters are easily identified as such in a fucking gym. The only people who can’t figure that out are complete newbs or the very people who are in the way.

As we can see here, some people actually get off on being in the way on purpose.

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I foresee an increasing trend of hamburger or other food like products becoming body parts in avatars for a time being now, THANKS prof!

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Hmm this makes me wonder if everyone else in that thread was laughing with me or at me lol. That cougar story is true, it was a pretty funny situation. Like the archetypal thing you think of in your head the first time you start lifting. Maxin out and gettin all the babes.

Anyways I havent seen anything in here reference how someone bigger deserves to be yielded to in a commercial gym where everyone pays the same. PX has mentioned he trys to not be a dick like this for this very reason ($) in another thread, but we all know it is tempting and the thought enters our head at some point. I know you cant work in with people using different weights, and I think its acceptable to strongly suggest using a bar from the curl rack to free up the squat rack or ask someone on the phone to use the equipment. All of these things have been discussed but none of them have anything to do with strength/size. I think if you think your seriousness makes you more deserving of equipment, maybe you should show your seriousness by joining another gym geared to your needs or building one. You pointed me at VTballas post and I didnt disagree with him but i didnt see what it had to do with what i was talking about. I guess we will agree to disagree unless you feel like articulating whatever it is I do not get in a way in which I might understand.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]milktruck wrote:
haha if he had posted this and said the guy was a pencil neck high school kid in an affliction t-shirt you all would have taken his side no questions asked. [/quote]

Obviously.

This isnt a cookie cutter situation. That’s the whole point. Human beings interpret a situation and react accordingly. Every part of a situation is taken into account when people make decisions about things. Common sense people. [/quote]

If you take the story as he wrote and assume the 60 seconds rest he mentioned, the other guy was being rude. Not sure how his size colors this without assuming some sense of entitlement that was definitely not mentioned in any gym contract Ive ever seen. You want to kick people off a machine buy one or else queue up like every other paying member. If you think being big gives you preference be prepared to be treated like an asshole.[/quote]

LOL.

I saw a guy on a calf raise machine using it to do literal 1/4" leg presses. He would bend his knees a little and then press back up…as if the calf raise has duel uses. If he would have caught me looking at him as he did this, I guess he would falsely assume his size was the issue?

What are the chances the op looks in any way like a serious lifter who was even using the machine correctly?

Considering the pictures people throw up here, it is one huge fucking jump to assume this OP did everything right in that situation…since most DON’T.

This is WHY Vtballa’s post hit home. Serious lifters are easily identified as such in a fucking gym. The only people who can’t figure that out are complete newbs or the very people who are in the way.

As we can see here, some people actually get off on being in the way on purpose.[/quote]

OK, help me learn.
the guy you saw is an irrelevant aside that does not address the point.
how the OP looks, well lets assume he is a beginner to intermediate, fair enough.
How about we assume the story went down as he wrote it? You assume he doesnt know gym ettiquette because you have already assumed he has not been training very long I take it.
VTBallas post does not address why size matters in this situation.

Why does it change things if one gym member is larger ad the smaller one is efficiently using the equipment? Calf raise machines are not rocket science.

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[quote]milktruck wrote:

OK, help me learn.
the guy you saw is an irrelevant aside that does not address the point.
how the OP looks, well lets assume he is a beginner to intermediate, fair enough.
How about we assume the story went down as he wrote it? You assume he doesnt know gym ettiquette because you have already assumed he has not been training very long I take it.
VTBallas post does not address why size matters in this situation.

Why does it change things if one gym member is larger ad the smaller one is efficiently using the equipment? Calf raise machines are not rocket science. [/quote]

What the fuck? It is FUCKING CALF RAISE. The ONLY way someone is justified in sitting there after someone makes it known they are in need of using it is if the weight they are using is far greater than what the guy waiting on it can use.

Other than that, you get your ass up and let someone work in whether they specifically say , can I work in" or not after they ask how many sets are left.

I just trained chest again today. Someone was on the machine I was gong to use next. I asked, “how many sets do you have left?”. the guy’s response was, “Just one more set…maybe 2 minutes” and then he proceeded to go ahead with his set. This guy was very skinny and clearly not a regular trainer. He had been just sitting on the machine for a very long time before I asked how many sets were left. As soon as I asked, he finished and left…which is what most people do because looking at me should let you know that unless you are putting up some serious weight, working in with me is not going to work.

No one has any problem spotting people who don’t know what they are doing…and someone using a machine wrong or taking up too much time is going to catch the odd negative look from people whose time is limited and who have a well thought out plan of action in place.

Like Vtballa wrote, for serious trainers it is not the best thing to simply go find another exercise in all cases if someone is playing on the machine. Luckily, in my experience, this is RARELY an issue because most people seem to have the common sense to see that someone really big isn’t going to be playing around in the gym…so they probably shouldn’t either.

The dumbass responses that we should find other gyms for rare occurrences make no sense at all. If this were a daily issue, then yes. But seeing as most people DO seem to give at least some respect to those who are bigger/stronger and don’t tie up machines, this is not some frequent matter.

I think this fact pisses off people who don’t experience this. I guess it would piss some people off even more if they knew that size tends to help out in MANY social situations. I know that bothers some people, but it is reality.

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Calf raise machines are not rocket science. [/quote]

Lol 95% of the people i see on calf machines arent using them properly. If i walked up to someone on a calf machine who was sitting there bouncing his legs up and down in a springy fashion, yea id be a bit more assertive in my “please get off so i can use it.”

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That doesnt address the size being a factor, why does the next lifters size change how one would see the original post?

And I think it would be dumb to go to another gym, too, but if you really need to not wait your turn you pretty much need to train at home or be prepared to be frustrated and ridiculed on the internet for staring at the back of the guys head or whatever. And changing your plan up would be dumb too, obviously, but if you go to a commercial gym you should plan for this and be prepared to wait if necessary. Im not going to argue that.

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[quote]milktruck wrote:
That doesnt address the size being a factor, why does the next lifters size change how one would see the original post?

And I think it would be dumb to go to another gym, too, but if you really need to not wait your turn you pretty much need to train at home or be prepared to be frustrated and ridiculed on the internet for staring at the back of the guys head or whatever. And changing your plan up would be dumb too, obviously, but if you go to a commercial gym you should plan for this and be prepared to wait if necessary. Im not going to argue that.[/quote]

You seem to willfully be trying to not understand what is written. the OP said the other guy looked like a pro bodybuilder. On this planet, this usually means the guy is very experienced. Seeing as how most newbs I have ever seen in a gym use the calf raise THE WRONG FUCKING WAY, you would ahve to assume that the most likely scenario DIDN’T happen.

The most likely scenario is this:

The Op is a relative new trainer who looks like one and who was bending his legs like the guy I saw today doing “calf leg presses”. The bodybuilder saw him doing this and had the same look on his face that most of us do upon seeing much of the crap people come up with in the gym when they don’t really know what they are doing. The Op saw this and assumed tons of shit about his attitude.

Now, for some reason, you think the most likely chain of events is that the OP is a serious trainer who was innocently being oggled by a mean 'ole big guy.

Ok, fine. Just don’t ask me to believe it.

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Well, indirectly it does. if you are using a machine retardedly, you wont be big.
Im assuming the OP was dramatizing a bit to reinforce his argument. Now the OP said he had been sitting there, while this guy was looking at the back of his head. After some time of sitting there, the guy walked up, and talked, where the OP had to remove his earplugs, the guy talked again, (inc paraphrasing) “are you using it.” That statement leads me to believe that the OP has either been on this machine quite a while, has been sitting there for too long, or has bad form to the point that he is wasting a machine. Now OP, dont be angry, im just analyzing here. Now you respond with “one more set,” to which the Big dude “rolled his eyes” and sat down right next to you. Your situation exploded into some retarded ‘what if’ scenarios. If he actually rolled his eyes and plopped next to you, yea he probably boo hoo’d a bit too much. Were you right in being pissed at him? not really. Should you have asked if he wanted to work in since you were resting at that moment anyway? Yes.

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ok i get that you guys inferred that since the guy was smaller, he is not telling the whole story as an experienced lifter would and was violating some faux pas he didnt mention or didnt know about.

however, i find it just as easy to believe someone was irritable wanting to use the calf raise and was a jackass about it.

anyways, good sunday night chat, and good night.

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Depends on their attitude really, I have all the time in the world for a decent attitude in the gym. There is no issues with “how many sets to go?” or “mind if I share with you?”.

I feel what goes around comes around most of the time, be a gentleman (i.e. not an arsehole) and good attitude is usually reciprocated. Maybe the other bloke was genuinely a dickhead.

I don’t train in the US (or other BB training advanced communities) or in a country known for it’s bodybuilders (Singapore) just in a commercial gym. There’s tons of shit that irks me about the attitude of the people in the gym. But I realise getting worked about it achieves nothing, I just prepare alternate exercises where possible, do cardio for 10 minutes, something else basically and get back into it. I don’t mess around with calf raises either, I find them a waste of time, then again my goals are different.

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[quote]DickBag wrote:
The truth is, big guys are important in the gym. I knew a gym owner who used to allow big guys to train for free, such as a mr ireland contender and such. Why? Because they bring the atmosphere.

Therefore, on that logic, they are more important, and obviously as above, they get better treatment, such as respect and privileges and so on. Why? Its not fair boo hoo? Its no more less fair than the special treatment anyone with high social status get in life. who cares, learn to accept it.
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Fair enough (and I’m not agreeing entirely to what you’re saying) but I do believe it depends strongly on the type of gym and clientele it’s trying to attract. This attitude is okay in a private gym focused on BB/PL etc type performance but not in a commercial (franchise) gym. It just wouldn’t stick.

I’d dare say any private gym owner that would offer “free” memberships would be selective of the members they offer this too (more of a marketing stunt than anything else). It would be nice to be in a gym where you DO get respect for what you lift but that sadly is too few and far between. Fuck unless you train in your own personal gym I don’t see it happening.

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This thread is Rediciolus. Some of you saying that hogging a peice of equipment is rude for longer then 15 minutes? what freaking world do you live in? Who in the world gets their squat or bench workout done in 15 minutes or less… I sure as hell know prof. x or any of you dont. Shit some of you fatasses probably take 20 minutes just to warm up on the bench press.

And all this BS about how if someone is not busting their ass off on all sets should get off. It seems like the only way for someone “inferior” to you to be allowed to lift should basically be in a puddle of sweat, and look like they are practically dieing on each set. DUDE PLEASE. Some days i like to back off and deload or go for more reps. its my preference.

If someone asks me to work in and i feel like letting them in ill do so, regardless of size. If some big guy comes in next to me when im doing an exercise, flexing his chest and flaring his lats trying to act impressive, i dont care? i finishing my set.

I paid my membership, i have stress going on in my life so i go to the gym as a stress releiver, what makes some guy have priority? To be honest if i have a 10 lb plate on each side during the bench press and some guy who benches 500 thinks i should move is a retard. To be honest it would be an inconvience to ME to change all the plates back and forth from the weight I AM DOING.

If i see a kid whos working out with a 10 lb on each side then so be it, wait for the equipment or do something else, If i see someone doing crunches on the bench or farting around i will say something if i need to use the equipment. ALSO if i see a bigger man using heavier weight whos farting around and taking excessive breaks ill also say something. (which has happened when a few college football players come to my gym)

respect is earned, i could care less about your size. If you disrespect me ill treat you the same way. You could be ronnie coleman for all i care, you tell me to get off a peice of equipment because of the weight im putting up there will be problems. (sure ronnie coleman could kick my ass but i wont back down, im nobodies bitch)