Well, for one thing… you would HAVE to have some sort of test shutdown… it is an androgen, though a mild one.
Hmmm yes P22 you definately remind me of an old friend… But your not him so I guess your a new friend… I second trying 8 weeks of primo at a gr a week.
What’s the weather like in Manatoba?
Weather right now in Manitoba has been fluctuating from around -30 to -4 (Celcius) -0 degrees Celcius is the freezing point of water for those who aren’t Celcius savvy - hell I’m not Farenheight savvy! Anyway its F’kin cold up here!
Put it this way Squatty, Football season ends up here in November just because if the games continued much longer, all the players would freeze to death and there’s no amount of Muellers Hot Stuff that would save them, and never mind fan attendance - going to a game in November is insanity personified!
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Great thread, gentlemen…
I just wanted to add one more (confusing) point.
When considering water gain/loss by the body, it is important to differentiate between intracellular (intramuscular) and extracellular water.
As P22 mentioned, an accumulation of water in the extracellular space is considered unhealthy/pathological. However, water within muscle cells helps to maintain their size. At least, this is part of the theory behind creatine supplementation (increase the tonicity within the cells…suck in some water…and presto…they “stretch” a bit bigger…this reduces the concentration of contractile proteins within the cell…so more are synthesized to return this to the “set point” level).
Also, it is possible that the mechanical efficiency of a muscle cell is significantly affected by water…such that a more hydrated environment…even before the synthesis of more contractile proteins…may lead to greater “strength” of contraction. Cellular osmolality is likely an important factor (e.g. like pH, temperature) in regulating the efficiency of enzymatic reactions.
I don’t know the proportional contributions of intracellular / extracellular water gain / loss when on juice, etc (can anybody shed some light on this?). I just wanted to point out that this issue probably deserves some clarification.
squatty a wider jaw on a chick does not = better head.lol
mdog that was just too funny! but I am afraid I am going to have to argue with you…!
Resolute, I am not a cell biologist so I don’t know if I can respond to what you just said.
My take on Creatine is that inside the muscle cell it was creatine phosphate - meaning that it served to store extra phosphate molecules, hence giving your muscles a larger store of energy to work with meaning you could pound out more reps per set before exhaustion occured. The increased intensity stimulated the muscles to grow, plus the extra energy in the muscle cell helped stave off muscle catabolism. This is my quik take on how creatine works. As for the extra intracellular water being benificial, I don’t know. I always thought that cells were limited to a certain size due to the fact that if the cell got too large, the surface area would no longer be large enough to sustain the cells metabolic needs…?
Depends on whether or not she’s wearing braces…
Depends on whether or not she’s wearing braces…
Would she count?
Wow! I just read this thread I started from start to finish…awesome! That is a lot of interesting information to process. Thanks for the informative responses.
Anyway, I’ve had to delay the start of this cycle due to a bad case of the flu. Otherwise I’d be close to being able to report my results.
Later, and thanks again.
id tear that shit up!
id tear that shit up!
The girl or the stuffed animal P Dog? You could dry hump the dog ya know.
ru12, that was obviously a fox! 
20 year old thread, but hey, we’re still reading it as reference material today. Not sure if this info was available 20 years ago, but a dbol-primo cycle (in comparatively small doses) was legit what Arnold supposedly ran back in the day. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t mind looking like Arnold, and if those two items are what helped him get big, sounds like they’re a good cycle.
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1)The drugs 40 years ago were just as different as milk was. So whatever he took, doesnt mean shit to us, as we will never get anything similar. You have to go by what you have now.
2)Arnold looked twice the size any of us could ever be, when he was 16 and natty. He has 1 out of 50,000,000 genetics, meaning he would look bigger and better than all of us, doing just jumping jacks and eating veggie soup.
I dont understand how people dont get the fact, that the worst idea ever is to follow anything that someone with excellent genetics does.
Has no one ever noticed how many top physiques when they start to train people, no client of theirs is even close to how they look? Why is that? If its the knowledge, then it should replicate similar results when passed on. But its never the case.
If Arnold, or Ronnie, or Yates would win Olympias only because of knowledge, they would have also made their clients win Olympias.
So if a “legend” says he knows better, i expect him to train me and make me Mr.O also. If its not the case, then apparently there is something different than knowledge of training, diet and drugs going on.
Lets be real, we all eat some food, all lift weights, we all can gain weight, lose weight. Most of us can get similar drugs and use them. Why the fuck is it that just 1 out of houndreds of millions of people looks like a bodybuilder? Think abt that. Do you really think that Arnold looked like Arnold because he was the only one in the last 60 years on the whole planet who tought of taking some magic combo of dbol and primo? Everyone else sucks, because they took 10mgs more dbol, or switched primo for tren? Or that his bicep peaks are a result of a mythical angle in which he held the dumbbells that no one ever, out of millions of people who lift, has never managed to find?
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Well stated.
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There’s a guy at my gym I recently met. He’s 21. Prob 6 feet. Weighs over 260. He’s huge and muscular. Says he has to eat like crazy to keep it, though. Says he’s natural, and I mostly believe him. Last night he squatted over 625. I forgot what the exact number was, but I was amazed. He obviously has whatever genetics Arnold has. The nice thing is, though, is that he actually feels that I’m bigger than him at 229 pounds currently, but I’m on gear, and I’m absolutely not bigger than him in any way. I had to remind him that he always sees himself from the front, where everything (back, arms, etc.) look smallest. The other thing is that gear tends to blow up shoulders. His shoulders, while not small, are more proportional to his body. Big shoulders can give the illusion of a bigger physique in general, to a degree.
I told him that if he ever took gear, he’d probably shoot up to 350. lol I’m jealous.