Delt Injection, Possible Infection

Pharma / TRT
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Hey guys,

Long time lurker here. Anyways, I’ve started a cycle of Susaton 300 - this is my first cycle of injectable gear - and I’ve been doing .5 Cc twice a week. In the past, I’ve stuck with orals simply because I was - and still am - a newbie. My third pin on this cycle was last Friday at about 11am.

Obviously I realized there would be nagging pain around the injection site; however, the pain has lasted longer than the first time I injected into this site (which was on my first pin). It seems more sore, and the soreness seems a bit more widespread than last time. There is a very faint pink rash-like area on my dealt area. No visible swelling. I asked my friend to examine for any swelling and he said he couldn’t tell a difference between either side.

He said both seemed to feel the same; so, the side I’m worried about doesn’t seem to be anymore puffy. The point: there is no serious signs of infection. Like I said, it’s been almost four days. Would it be correct to assume that if I had an infection I would most definitely know by now? Further, I did notice that the pin was injected at a slight angle, which was obviously an error on my part.

My brother, who has been a long time user, told me to stop worrying about it. He also told me that when angled the gear might not get into the muscle and take longer to absorb, or that it might produce additional and longer - lasting pain.

Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Anyone?

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You would most likely recognize it if it was an infection, warm area/swelling/maybe discolored or discharge on the injection site…

What size needle did you use? Length? Its possible you’ve gone too deep, used too fat of a needle or even just freaking out cause its your first pinned cycle.

Like you said you angled it a bit going in, might just have irritated something going in, assuming you cleaned the area, used sterile gear and so on, you should be ok.

Probably would switch sites around a bit though to avoid further irritating your shoulder.

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Thanks for the reply. Really, I seriously appreciate it!

I’m not sure how to tell whether the gear is sterile or not, but I’m assuming that if it wasn’t I would know by now, considering today was my fourth pin (so second full week of being on it). I alternate between delts; so, today was the opposite one that I’ve been complaining about.

Like I said, there really isn’t any discoloration around the site, at least from what I can notice. If I look hard enough I can see a pinkish area about 1/4 of an inch away from the site where it was injected, but this is hardly visible, especially to those that I’ve asked. Nobody else could really even see it. Further, people have placed there hands on both sides of my shoulders and have said the feel no difference in size. Also, they say one side isn’t any softer than the other. When looking straight forward at me, everyone has said there is no difference in visible size. I’ve been monitoring my temperature, and from what I can tell I don’t have one ( I don’t have a temperature gauge though). I guess what worries me is the horror stories I’ve read, which I went to when the pain lasted longer than the last time and the soreness seemed a bit more extensive around the site.

Tonight was the first night I felt lethargic; otherwise, I’ve felt fine in the area of energy. Tomorrow will be 5 days and there are no visible signs of infection. Besides the longer lasting pain, and the recent lethargy (I just came from the gym but do seem more worn out than usual), there is no other evidence to suggest I have an infection. Would you say that it’s probable that I do NOT have an infection considering that time that has elapsed and the lack of any serious symptoms?

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Pin size:

23 x 1.5

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1.5 x 23g in the Delt is too big.

I use a 1" x 25g (sometimes 27g for prop if I can get them).

You have to expect a bit of pain when sticking and inch and a half of metal in your body! If it comes to a lump, and it’s painful, red and hot then start to worry!

Personally I would use the ventroglute, glute or upper quad sites as if you do need a chunk cut out of you it won’t be noticeable.

Also don’t bother with twice weekly jabs. Sustanon has mostly Test Deca in it so once a week is fine. It was created for TRT after all.

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Thanks for the response.

My delt feels much better today. There’s still some slight soreness, but no redness or swelling. My brother recommended I go to the glute as well, but that site seems a bit more difficult to try. I’ll give it shot - pun intended - this next time around.

Can you all explain the water retention problem with this particular substance? I weighed 196 on Monday morning, but this morning I weighed 205. Weird leap! I fluctuate bad lately. I imagine this has a lot to do with water, as I am noticing a bit more softness around the belly and hips. Will this go away after the cycle is complete? Is there any way to curtail this? Thanks in advance.

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[quote]npane171 wrote:
Thanks for the response.

My delt feels much better today. There’s still some slight soreness, but no redness or swelling. My brother recommended I go to the glute as well, but that site seems a bit more difficult to try. I’ll give it shot - pun intended - this next time around.

Can you all explain the water retention problem with this particular substance? I weighed 196 on Monday morning, but this morning I weighed 205. Weird leap! I fluctuate bad lately. I imagine this has a lot to do with water, as I am noticing a bit more softness around the belly and hips. Will this go away after the cycle is complete? Is there any way to curtail this? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

I am not familiar with the substance you are using. Are you able to post your complete cycle plan? Dosages/time between shots/gear and pct you’re using etc.

Are you running an anti aromatase? If not that could be one of the factors contributing to water retention.

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[quote]Tchaikovsky wrote:

[quote]npane171 wrote:
Thanks for the response.

My delt feels much better today. There’s still some slight soreness, but no redness or swelling. My brother recommended I go to the glute as well, but that site seems a bit more difficult to try. I’ll give it shot - pun intended - this next time around.

Can you all explain the water retention problem with this particular substance? I weighed 196 on Monday morning, but this morning I weighed 205. Weird leap! I fluctuate bad lately. I imagine this has a lot to do with water, as I am noticing a bit more softness around the belly and hips. Will this go away after the cycle is complete? Is there any way to curtail this? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

I am not familiar with the substance you are using. Are you able to post your complete cycle plan? Dosages/time between shots/gear and pct you’re using etc.

Are you running an anti aromatase? If not that could be one of the factors contributing to water retention.
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Sorry for the delayed response…

Anyways, I’m running Sustanon 300 at .5 Cc twice a week (every Tuesday and Friday). No, I’m not currently using an AI or any caper. I was told, perhaps too prematurely, that I didn’t need one. My brother, who I trust very much, and who is very knowledgeable with these sorts of things, told me that it would be wise for me to find an AI but he thought I would be fine regardless. In the future, he is sure I will need one when going forward.

Anyways, I’ve been on Sustanon for about a month now, pinning twice a week. I’ve seen no serious strength gains and haven’t seen any changes in physique either. So far, I’m thoroughly disappointed with this stuff. I also feel softer, much softer, around the gut and waist area. It’s very frustrating, since I’ve lost 50 pounds in 5 months. My weight loss has almost completely stalled, I’m much hungrier when I’m on this shit, and without any serious results I feel like this particular substances is just garbage.

Granted, my diet hasn’t been as rigorous either. I have been eating as clean as possible (Lean meats, tons of greens, oatmeal and egss in the morning) but occasionally I have sweet crap. It’s like my cravings for sweets are at an all time high right now. Of course, it isn’t good to eat the stuff when you’re trying to achieve certain goals but I cannot believe that’s what’s stalling my fat loss.

Frankly, I’m tired of pinning myself to see no results. I was told that Sus is the way to go, but I beginning to have my doubts.

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Why are you pinning twice a week when you don’t need to?

Sustanon is mostly long esters so it will take 4-6 weeks before you start to notice much happening.

Jab all 600mg once a week, get an AI and use that to combat the water you are no doubt holding a lot of and be patient.

Of course your gear could be completely bunk in which case you might be injecting oil out of a drug dealers chip pan in your body. I’ve never seen Sust dosed at 300mg/ml so could be fake or a rubbish UGL version?

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X2…1.5" is too long unless u have massive delts…either leave 1/2" out or get a 1"…im on trt and i ject every 5 days…i alternate both sides as well and use 21g 1"…also make sure you arent moving the pin ariund when its i or u can tear the muscle a little and cause more discomfort…also a good idea to asperate if u dont…

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[quote]ESX wrote:
Why are you pinning twice a week when you don’t need to?

Sustanon is mostly long esters so it will take 4-6 weeks before you start to notice much happening.

Jab all 600mg once a week, get an AI and use that to combat the water you are no doubt holding a lot of and be patient.

Of course your gear could be completely bunk in which case you might be injecting oil out of a drug dealers chip pan in your body. I’ve never seen Sust dosed at 300mg/ml so could be fake or a rubbish UGL version?

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Thanks again for your response. You’ve been helpful thus far.

Yes, this stuff is UGL. I’m wondering whether or not it is in fact bunk myself. Do you recommend I remain on for another couple weeks in order to see any results? Obviously this ultimately up to me in the end, but I’m curious what your take might be. It’s only been four weeks/8pins thus far.

Where can I get an AI?

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[quote]MuscleupFreak wrote:
X2…1.5" is too long unless u have massive delts…either leave 1/2" out or get a 1"…im on trt and i ject every 5 days…i alternate both sides as well and use 21g 1"…also make sure you arent moving the pin ariund when its i or u can tear the muscle a little and cause more discomfort…also a good idea to asperate if u dont…
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Thank you for your response.

Yes, I do aspirate. I find it very complicated to do, especially when injecting into the delt region. Do you have any recommendations? You say not to move the needle around, but this is very complicated when you’re trying to aspirate.

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[quote]npane171 wrote:

[quote]ESX wrote:
Why are you pinning twice a week when you don’t need to?

Sustanon is mostly long esters so it will take 4-6 weeks before you start to notice much happening.

Jab all 600mg once a week, get an AI and use that to combat the water you are no doubt holding a lot of and be patient.

Of course your gear could be completely bunk in which case you might be injecting oil out of a drug dealers chip pan in your body. I’ve never seen Sust dosed at 300mg/ml so could be fake or a rubbish UGL version?

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Thanks again for your response. You’ve been helpful thus far.

Yes, this stuff is UGL. I’m wondering whether or not it is in fact bunk myself. Do you recommend I remain on for another couple weeks in order to see any results? Obviously this ultimately up to me in the end, but I’m curious what your take might be. It’s only been four weeks/8pins thus far.

Where can I get an AI?

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Well I would actually have a blood test to check my Test level out. If that’s sky high and your not gaining then it’s diet or training related.

I’d give it 8 weeks before calling it bunk as if it’s legit, even if you train and eat like a 12 year old girl, 5x the testosterone you produce naturally will pack on the muscle anyway.

I can’t tell you where to get an AI. Same place you get your PCT meds I expect.

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i would take a guess and say that you got your gear stuck just under the skin. it will still absorb its just a bit annoying for a while.

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[quote]ESX wrote:

[quote]npane171 wrote:

[quote]ESX wrote:
Why are you pinning twice a week when you don’t need to?

Sustanon is mostly long esters so it will take 4-6 weeks before you start to notice much happening.

Jab all 600mg once a week, get an AI and use that to combat the water you are no doubt holding a lot of and be patient.

Of course your gear could be completely bunk in which case you might be injecting oil out of a drug dealers chip pan in your body. I’ve never seen Sust dosed at 300mg/ml so could be fake or a rubbish UGL version?

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Thanks again for your response. You’ve been helpful thus far.

Yes, this stuff is UGL. I’m wondering whether or not it is in fact bunk myself. Do you recommend I remain on for another couple weeks in order to see any results? Obviously this ultimately up to me in the end, but I’m curious what your take might be. It’s only been four weeks/8pins thus far.

Where can I get an AI?

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Well I would actually have a blood test to check my Test level out. If that’s sky high and your not gaining then it’s diet or training related.

I’d give it 8 weeks before calling it bunk as if it’s legit, even if you train and eat like a 12 year old girl, 5x the testosterone you produce naturally will pack on the muscle anyway.

I can’t tell you where to get an AI. Same place you get your PCT meds I expect.[/quote]

No, the guy i get the gear from doesn’t have anything unfortunately. I’m kind of stuck on this one, unless I can find it somewhere else. The cravings are the only thing I’m noticing in the way of a possible estrogen elevation. Now, I have been a little depressed but a lot of that has to do with me failing miserably this past week on my diet. I ate a lot of crap because I basically gave into my cravings all week. So, the mood just emerged as a result to the disappointment, really.

Yeah, I’ve actually thought about getting some blood work done. Damn shit is expensive though. Anyways, I’ll check it out if I can and report back when I can. Thanks again for all the help. I’ll update you on the progress.