Coming to the End of My Cycle

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Well it’s my last week of my 8 week cycle and I thought I would write a brief post on my experience. This coming week I will begin to taper off for 4 weeks then start my Nolva protocol.

My starting weight at the beginning of my cycle was just under 80kg, I weighed myself this morning naked just before my shower and I was 86kg, starting bf was approx 11% (tested using calipers), my bf right now is approx 10%. I did no cardio while on test, however I did run a few times a week before I started my cycle. I still think I got a couple kilo’s left in me to gain over the next few weeks while tapering off.

I believe I lost bodyfat due to eating more regularly and because I am now holding more muscle therefore my metabolism is faster. If I started incorporating cardio into my routine now I think I’d shred without having to cut my carbs much at all.

I was on 4000 cleanish calories a day spread over 7 meals (the last being a shake before bed), and let me tell you, I don’t think I could go back to eating 3 meals a day like most people, it just wouldn’t be enough while lifting.

My cycle was as follows:

Week 1-2: 100mg test cyp/75mg Tribolin “75”
Week 3-4: 200mg test cyp/150mg Tribolin “75”
Week 5-8: 300mg test cyp/225mg Tribolin “75”
Week 9-12: Taper off (not done yet)

My workouts were as follows:

Mon: Chest/Bi’s
Tues: Legs/Abs
Wed: Rest
Thurs: Back
Fri: Tri’s/Shoulders
Weekend Rest

Ok so those are the facts, as far as the bodyfat and me believing I could cut up to single digits without dieting, thats just my opinion and what I believe will work with me, I’m not dismissing dieting/carb cutting/carb cycling ect for anyone else.

So how did I feel these 8 weeks, well the first 3 or so weeks I really didn’t feel anything, the rest of the time the main thing is I was alot hornier, I almost stacked my car staring at girls a few times driving home ect. And my girlfriend got a great workout 2-3 times a day vs the usual once a day (we live together). My nipples would get a little itchy and erect from time to time as well (no I don’t have gyno ;P).

So what would I do different next cycle? More test, I really wouldn’t bother with such low doses again but it was my first time and I can’t say I’m too unhappy with the results.

I want to thank all the guys on this forum who helped me with advice as I was starting, helped my confidence a bunch, seriously, thanks. =)

If anyone else has any questions, ask.

Rst

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DUDE you could have/SHOULD have gotten MUCH better results from that! and as bushy said been a lot safer. I dont know anything about the tribolin but if Bushy says no, thats code for stop now and throw the shit out! Even though you were feeling things out with this being your first, there are countless threads on here about firsts and ALL say at least 500mg/wk. but as bushy said do better next time. at least you know now, and i too hope you recover allright and quickly :S

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Good luck with your recovery. As was already stated that is definately one of the most messed up cycles I have seen in quite some time.

If you follow Bushys advice to a T you will be much better off down the road.

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I agree with everybody above. Hopefully you can get more cyp. Bump the dosage up and run it for 6 more weeks. If you don’t want to mess with the stasis taper after that you can use nolva, but drop what you are doing presently, for sure. You should have gained a LOT more by now on your first cycle.

Especially if, as you appear to imply, your diet was not what it could have been before you started using AAS. If you went from 3 meals a day pre-cycle to 7 on, you could probably have made the gains you are talking about without any other assistance. And if your doses were that low, maybe you basically did.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
No offence my friend, but I’m struggling with the concept that ANYONE here would ‘recommend’ the cycle you have outlined.

It is wrong for several reasons:

Cyp needs to be run for at least 12 weeks since it is so slow in action due to the ester length.

100mg/wk isn’t just low, it is ludicrously low. Barely more than your natural production whish is now zero. 200-300 is not much better. And why oh why did you taper up? Tapering down makes sense in some situations, but tapering up went the way of the dodo (with good reason) a long time ago.

The tribolin was a silly choice IMO. nandrolone and methandriol diproprionate are not a good idea for humans. Why? because methandriol is an ESTROGEN, effectively, which as anyone who knows anything, is about the last thing you want to run with deca. Meth does not (contrary to some mythical beliefs probably promoted by those trying to sell it) have any ‘receptor cleaning’ properties.

You are damn lucky that you didn’t get gyno - probably because the dose was so low.

So now you have minimal gains (6kg in 8 weeks? not impressive by any means) and since you used methandriol, a lot of those ‘gains’ are likely to be estrogenic/water related. You also have zero natural test production.

The deca will hang about in your system for a while, as will the cyp. 4 weeks of tapering down will not cut it for recovery, sorry.

I am hoping that because of the low doses, you won’t have too much of a bumpy ride to recovery, but I suspect otherwise.

If it were me, I would drop (and throw away) the tribolin, run the test (at 500mg/wk) for another 6 weeks, and then look to do a ‘stasis taper’ (see prisoners excellent tapering thread and ignore Anthony Roberts’ bullshit comments).

Now it may be that you recover just fine (I have a friend who can inject whatever the hell he likes with no ill effect) and I sincerely hope this is the case, but I highly doubt it.

Yes, you say that you are not disappointed with the results, but then who is, midway though a cycle? You are still experiencing the increased strength and size after all. BUT, there are MUCH better (and safer) ways to cycle. Please bear this in mind for the future.

I really didn’t mean to sound like I was picking on you here, but this has to be the most messed up cycle I have seen in a LONG time…

Do better next time, OK?

Bushy[/quote]

Wow, ok, I did post I’d be using Tribolin “75” in the beginning and no one told me that methandriol is an estrogen. I’d also read on other boards that people had used it with success.

Either way I’ll throw what’s left of it in the bin now, I have got about 4ml of Cyp left at 100mg/ml, I can get my hands on more probably, but the wait might be 2 or so weeks so not 100% sure what to do there.

I had the feeling that my change in diet would help too, and I didn’t think most of the gains would have been from AAS, I thought at this dose it was more just helping with my recovery from lifting other than anything else.

Hmm what else, if I can’t get my hands on any more Cyp for now what should I do about recovery?

I can get propionate at any time, should I incorporate this now?

Ugh I feel pretty silly at the moment, but like I said, nobody told me how stupid this cycle was at the start, other than the dosage was a little low.

Thanks for the help guys.

Rst

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If all you can get is prop then incorporate it in at 150mg EOD for the 5 weeks. Followed by a more revised stasis taper or nolva.

You will likely experience more gains during this 5 weeks than the entire previous 8.

The problem with the amount of test that you were previously using is that its barely more than your body naturally produces, therefore enough to shut your body down but not enough to make any decent gains.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well you have a good and willing attitude, it seems and that should see you right.

I need to think about what might be the best way to proceed. In the mean time, get you some prop and if possible some enan too.

Later

Bushy[/quote]

Ok, I’ll try and get my hands on that prop hopefully sometime tonight. I appreciate your help on this subject, meanwhile yesterday and today I’ve been as sick as a dog, constantly dizzy and nauseous…I haven’t injected Tribolin since last week, the doctor thinks I may have some sort of virus as I have a bit of a fever, but I don’t know, this happened about 3 weeks ago as well, not as bad as this time though…

Don’t really think it’s AAS related, I injected 1ml of test Cyp last night (100mg), which is my first shot this week, I only got like 3ml left, I was thinking of sitting on 1ml till I or more accurately you guys figure out what the next course of action should be, not sure if I can train today, I’m constantly dizzy.

Anyway thanks again, I’ll be back on to post later tonight (I’m in Australia).

Rst