DeFranco Video!

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[quote]piper1 wrote:
I could see your point if I were eating a couple a day or even one every day, but I’m eatin about 3 a week for tough workouts, the good outways any bad which i think is way overblown. I would like to here what some of the writers on this site think of this bar.[/quote]

The good outweighs the bad? I suppose that’s a value judgement that you’re making, and you are entitled to do that.

You could also have a hot dog and a cup of coffee before you train, if that is what you want. But nothing will make these bars “healthy” from an objective point of view. And I’m not even sure that’s what he’s trying to do.

He threw a bunch of protein in with some horrible sugar and saturated fat. Then he spiked it with caffeine and Tyrosine. If you think that will help you get bigger, stronger and healthier in the long term go for it.

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Looking forward to Joe’s Video. As for his bar, I have to say I think the HFCS thing is blown up like the ibuprofen makes you small thing. Look, if you work out and eat right and you’re looking for a snack with caffeine pre workout, that bar is damn good. And if you work out and eat right the HFCS in this bar is not what is going to make you fat. Just like once in a while a little ibuprofen won’t shrink your muscles. HFCS is bad if you’re sucking down cola and chips all day for sure.

And I for one think food will always beat bars/powders but his bar isn’t as bad as everyone here is making it out to be. I don’t see how it’s so much worse than other bars. And I don’t see how caffeine is so bad for you. It has many positive effects if you don’t have reactions to it. I just don’t get the negativity on his bar.

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Smitty,
You, my sir, are quite the douche.

The bar’s overhead is probably huge. Joe DeFranco is not walmart or con agra. He can’t go into a manufacturer and demand whatever price he wants.

If you want a bar designed by a bunch of people who probably never picked up a weight in their life, go for the more “inexpensive” bar. You wind up paying more for it in the end. I would imagine that compared to the bars overhead, DeFranco doesn’t make more (he probably makes less) than the big time scumbag companies.

The amount of HFCS in that bar is not going to make you “unhealthy”. As stated before, that has more to do with the amounts consumed sitting on the couch all day eating soda and chips.

As I have said in the past and I have heard Mr. DeFranco state also, bars and shakes are fast food for athletes. They may not be the most pure and organic substances out there, but so what!

Sometimes athletes, teens in particular, don’t have the time or inclination to fire up some wild caught salmon and organic rice and vegetables. Most kids won’t eat something if it doesn’t taste good anyway. I think you have a grudge against Joe, just like I now have a grudge against you for being such a cock blocking jackass by comming on here and posting what you did. Joe busts his ass for this community, to label his product “unhealthy” and “loaded” with HFCS is not only an act guilty of “douchebaggery” but seeminly a cry for help by you.

Now that we are all paying attention to you, what are you going to do next to entertain us, Monkey Boy!

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Agreed with what has been said before.

I don’t think that a small amount of HFCS, 3 times per week (or whatever your PWO is), is going to kill you.

And why all this talk about caffeine like it’s a bad thing? Last I checked, caffeine can be a very potent performance enhancer.

Joe has said before that they aren’t intended to be a replacement for a whole-food meal. They’re meant as a pre-workout/training/competition meal, to be quick and easy to digest, taste good and give your performance a slight boost. Supposedly the feedback from athletes has been overwhelmingly positive (although of course that’s what would be said, but w/e).

I’ll be placing my order at the end of this week. Knowing DeFranco, I’d be VERY SURPRISED if this product doesn’t perform as advertised.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
piper1 wrote:
I could see your point if I were eating a couple a day or even one every day, but I’m eatin about 3 a week for tough workouts, the good outways any bad which i think is way overblown. I would like to here what some of the writers on this site think of this bar.

The good outweighs the bad? I suppose that’s a value judgement that you’re making, and you are entitled to do that.

You could also have a hot dog and a cup of coffee before you train, if that is what you want. But nothing will make these bars “healthy” from an objective point of view. And I’m not even sure that’s what he’s trying to do.

He threw a bunch of protein in with some horrible sugar and saturated fat. Then he spiked it with caffeine and Tyrosine. If you think that will help you get bigger, stronger and healthier in the long term go for it.[/quote]

He designed the bar for pre-game for athletes. It does it’s job. He doesn’t claim it’s going to make you healthier. The fact is, when it’s the fourth quarter, third period, or second half and the game’s on the line, this bar will give you edge, and a better oportunity to make the game breaking play.

That is all.

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[quote]orangecola wrote:
Smitty,
You, my sir, are quite the douche.

The bar’s overhead is probably huge. Joe DeFranco is not walmart or con agra. He can’t go into a manufacturer and demand whatever price he wants.

If you want a bar designed by a bunch of people who probably never picked up a weight in their life, go for the more “inexpensive” bar. You wind up paying more for it in the end. I would imagine that compared to the bars overhead, DeFranco doesn’t make more (he probably makes less) than the big time scumbag companies.

The amount of HFCS in that bar is not going to make you “unhealthy”. As stated before, that has more to do with the amounts consumed sitting on the couch all day eating soda and chips.

As I have said in the past and I have heard Mr. DeFranco state also, bars and shakes are fast food for athletes. They may not be the most pure and organic substances out there, but so what!

Sometimes athletes, teens in particular, don’t have the time or inclination to fire up some wild caught salmon and organic rice and vegetables. Most kids won’t eat something if it doesn’t taste good anyway. I think you have a grudge against Joe, just like I now have a grudge against you for being such a cock blocking jackass by comming on here and posting what you did. Joe busts his ass for this community, to label his product “unhealthy” and “loaded” with HFCS is not only an act guilty of “douchebaggery” but seeminly a cry for help by you.

Now that we are all paying attention to you, what are you going to do next to entertain us, Monkey Boy![/quote]

dont really think there was a call for that but nevermind…

At the end of the day, we have been bombarded with the HFCS=bad message for ages so its not unreasonable for people to be a little concerned if the bar contains it. This info however, does not affect the quality of joe’s training knowledge/material so the DVD and its content are still of interest too me. IMO with all the information out their in particular on this site you could make your own bar at the fraction of the cost of ANY bar out there. As for the HFCS - maybe its best for Jo to comment.

Mick.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
orangecola wrote:
who give’s a crap about the price. It will be worth it! DeFranco and the guys from westside aren’t out to rip people off. I talked to one of the elitefts guys before I signed up for the force training seminar and I remarked at how inexpensive I thought the seminar was. He told me that they understood that most lifters don’t have a ton of tough to blow on overpriced videos.

Ha ha, what about his over priced protein bar? What do you think of that?[/quote]

What does that have to do with the video or are you just being an asshole?

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[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
orangecola wrote:
who give’s a crap about the price. It will be worth it! DeFranco and the guys from westside aren’t out to rip people off. I talked to one of the elitefts guys before I signed up for the force training seminar and I remarked at how inexpensive I thought the seminar was. He told me that they understood that most lifters don’t have a ton of tough to blow on overpriced videos.

Ha ha, what about his over priced protein bar? What do you think of that?

What does that have to do with the video or are you just being an asshole?
[/quote]

Asshole? Because I mentioned his over priced protein bar?

I would think that I ought to be thanked for bringing a little truth to the thread.

Maybe you are the asshole for calling me an asshole?

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This thread is about his video.

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[quote]orangecola wrote:
Smitty,
You, my sir, are quite the douche.[/quote]

For quoting his site directly and speaking the truth?

Tell us then how much does it cost to make it? Oh that’s right you have no freaking idea, you’re just mouthing off on a message board.

Are you retarded or just blind on this one issue?

I didn’t know that you had to first pick up a weight in order to put together a good protein bar that is also good for you.

By the way there are many on the market that are good for you and also help you in the weight room.

This is 2006 you don’t have to put crap in your body in order to perform well in the gym. You didn’t know that huh?

Or, he might make more than the big timers huh? You don’t really know either way. But don’t let facts get in the way of your personal bias. LOL

I never said it did moron.

But then again why do we have to consume any sort of crap with a protein bar. As I have stated there are great bars out there with no crap in them.

Defranco made a decsion NOT to make his that way.

So what?

Spoken like a true kid. You know nothing and you prove it with every sentence.

So they should knowingly eat more high fructose and saturated fat?

LOL you are truly a dipshit!

:wink:

Don’t know him, never had any dealings with him. But I do know that he knows his stuff relative to training advice. To bad he can’t make a good protein bar.

That’s a shame that you have a grudge against anyone. When you carry a grudge it only weighs YOU down. You’re the one who has to carry it around kid.

As far as what I posted about his bar, it’s all true and off his site. You don’t like it? That’s a shame because you’re going to have to live with it huh?

Hmmm, please stop being a stupid ass.

Pretty please?

No that won’t work will it?

Look I told the truth about his bar from facts off of his own website. He may just be the greatest thing that ever happened to the training world. BUT that is not going to help his over rated, over priced (in my opinion) protein bar.

GOT IT?

I was going to let it drop. But I think I’m going to continue to point out how bad the bar is in comparison to other bars in the same price range.

Are you going to send another rambling post in my direction?

This one was funny stuff. Now turn out the light and shut off Mommy’s computer it’s getting late.

I’ll summarize for you because I know you have a difficult time with reading comprehension.

Defranco = great coach and top notch training info.

Defranco’s protein bar = Um, I’ll be kind: Not up to par and loaded with some ingredients that will not help you in the health department, over priced as well. AND that is not necessary in this day and age.

Now do you have it?

Probably not, you’re too stupid.

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So can you list some better bars, I’m all for improvement. I have no ties to DeFranco, I just really like what this bar does for me. If there is a cheaper healthier bar that can deliver the goods I will go out and try it today. Right now I have 3 different preworkout type supplements in my home, DeFranco Bar, Advocare Spark, and now Spike shooter, just tried that one today, pretty good stuff. I like to change it up quite often so I don’t start to feel like it’s not working anymore. Personally, I think all three I have right now are excellent.

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This thread is sliding way off topic…

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:

I didn’t know that you had to first pick up a weight in order to put together a good protein bar that is also good for you.
But then again why do we have to consume any sort of crap with a protein bar. As I have stated there are great bars out there with no crap in them.

So they should knowingly eat more high fructose and saturated fat?
Defranco’s protein bar = Um, I’ll be kind: Not up to par and loaded with some ingredients that will not help you in the health department, over priced as well. AND that is not necessary in this day and age.

[/quote]

Jesus… Fucking… Christ… This site has gotten so sssssssssuper! in the last few years.

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[quote]piper1 wrote:
So can you list some better bars, I’m all for improvement. I have no ties to DeFranco, I just really like what this bar does for me. If there is a cheaper healthier bar that can deliver the goods I will go out and try it today. Right now I have 3 different preworkout type supplements in my home, DeFranco Bar, Advocare Spark, and now Spike shooter, just tried that one today, pretty good stuff. I like to change it up quite often so I don’t start to feel like it’s not working anymore. Personally, I think all three I have right now are excellent.[/quote]

Sure that’s a fair question.

Here is a list of bars for you to choose from. Keep in mind that I don’t think any of them will have the total amount of protein that is present in the Defranco bar. But they also don’t have the unhealthy ingredients either. As I stated in one of my prior posts. If you, or anyone else likes the Defranco bar buy them by the truck loads, I don’t care.

But if you’re looking for a “clean” bar that not only has protein but also other healthful ingredients then you can take a look at the list below. I have not tried all of them but have eaten several from this list.

Also remember to avoid any bar that has Soy protein in it:

Bear Valley Pemmican & Meal Pack

Builder’s Bar - Protein bar

Clif Bar - The natural energy bar!

Clif Nectar - Simple & Organic!

Elev8 Me - Protein bar alternative!

FruitSnax Energy Bars - 100% Fruit!

Larabar - Unprocessed REAL food!

LUNA

Mojo - By Clif Bar

Nutiva - Organic bars, protein, seeds and oil!

Organic Food Bar - All Flavors!

PowerBar Harvest

Peak Bar - Energy & Protein Bars

ProBar - Performance Whole Food Nutrition!

Renew Life Organic Fiber Bar

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[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
This thread is sliding way off topic…[/quote]

True, but it’s in a positive direction. The more information which is available to the trainee the better off he is.

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Smitty,

I appreciate the contribution you made to this thread and the time it took you to list all of those. I’ll certainly check those out.

I’m still going to try the DeFranco bars, maybe because I’m young and I still chow down on a burger and fries every now, and then and can get away with it, that I’m not really sweating the HFCS, since the rest of my diet has basically none.

As a college athlete, I’m definitly more concerned with performance than health, as messed up as that may sound, so if his bar can help my performance, I’m going to go with it, even though it might be SLIGHTLY less healthy than some others.

Thanks for the list, I might check some of those out as an alternative to the between-classes shake.

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Hmm…

Enough about the bar. Start another thread.

What about the video?