Define Failure?

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
I don’t know if I understand better or am more confused… Thanks for the replies…

I have always use a pyrmid setup… I would be near failure on all the sets. I am thinking of trying Chad’s 10x3 and 4x6 work out. So for this I should pick a weight I can do fairly easily for the first group of set? Then struggle slightly on the last set?

Next… Isn’t doing eccentric workouts in excess of your 1RM, in effect lifting beyond failure?? It would seem that the two go against each other.

Sorry for all the questions but this site is just blowing my mind. Hopefully it will help me blow my muscles as well… lol.

Todd[/quote]

All the definitions given are good ones.

Let me add my $.02…

  1. Strictly speaking failure is the defined as reaching a point where you can no longer complete the next repitition with good (not perfect) form.

  2. In other words if you are benching 225 and going for 10 reps and on the 10th rep your spotter has to help push you through a rep. You have trained beyond failure.

  3. To train to/beyond or not to train to/beyond…I believe the number one reason people don’t make progress in the gym is they are lazy, don’t like pain, and are unwilling to push themselves. Sure you can use perfect form and no assistance and get stronger…but that works for almost no one.

  4. My opinion is that if you don’t have 4 or 5 sets in your workout where you push yourself to the brink you aren’t WORKING OUT. So I say train to and beyond failure…for bench press this means get a spotter and go down for another rep after you can’t finish a rep…for curls this means throw a LITTLE back into getting 1 more rep (or have a partner give you a finger).

  5. The best test to determine if your workout is working is: DO YOU HAVE A PUMP. If you do, whatever you are doing is working, if you don’t it’s time to change things (Sets, Reps, Weights, Movements) a bit.

So don’t worry about training to failure or periodization or other mumbo jumbo buzz words…just go to the gym and work harr…believe me you are stronger than your brain will let you think…your brain is like the governor on a car that won’t allow it to go past a certain speed, your brain doesn’t want you to lift weights that are at it’s capacity, so when you push yourself your brain makes connections with your muscles that allow you to use them in a way that promotes hypertrophy.

[quote]mdamon wrote:

… Sure you can use perfect form and no assistance and get stronger…but that works for almost no one.

… I say train to and beyond failure…

…The best test to determine if your workout is working is: DO YOU HAVE A PUMP…

So don’t worry about training to failure or periodization or other mumbo jumbo buzz words…[/quote]

You’re joking, right?

Please tell me that you’re joking.

[quote]Ross Hunt wrote:
mdamon wrote:

… Sure you can use perfect form and no assistance and get stronger…but that works for almost no one.

… I say train to and beyond failure…

…The best test to determine if your workout is working is: DO YOU HAVE A PUMP…

So don’t worry about training to failure or periodization or other mumbo jumbo buzz words…

You’re joking, right?

Please tell me that you’re joking.[/quote]

HAHA!

That’s pretty much what I was thinking.

[quote]Todd S. wrote:
Next… Isn’t doing eccentric workouts in excess of your 1RM, in effect lifting beyond failure?? It would seem that the two go against each other.
Todd[/quote]

No. 2 things here. 1 is that friction has the interesting property of resisting motion in both the concentric and eccentric direction. Because of this, intermuscular friction works against you on the way up (concentric) but helps you resist motion on the way down.

2 is that a lot of people don’t understand the dynamics of force production when lifting a weight. The force you use to start a maximal weight moving is 110-120% of the load itself. In fact, you may exert 110-120% of the force of you max load even when using anywhere from 35-90% of max if your start is powerful. Remember that when WALKING, your quads can experience momentary forces in excess of 6x bodyweight! Peak force alone can not be the defining aspect of muscle building training.