So I want to run some Deca or Tren Ace next cycle.
I want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on Deca vs Tren. I don’t want to run Tren E due to ester length making it lingering around long after use so I’m thinking Tren A because it leaves the body quicker.
I was going to run 50mg Tren Ace EOD or 300 Deca a week.
Is Deca really that great for your joints like everyone says?
Would the night sweats on 50mg Tren EOD be that bad?
I have access to both prami and caber. Which is better? When should the use of caber or prami begin?
The cycle I planned to run is 500 Test E, 400 Mast E, and 50mg EOD Tren A or 300 Deca.
How long should these be run I was going to run the Deca for 12-16 weeks and Tren for 6 maybe 8 if it agrees with me
You dont want to run Tren E but Deca is ok? I presume you have experience with Deca already and know its side effects, as it will remain in your system for extremely longer than Tren E.
Also, your test to tren ratios are off. No more than 150mg test with Tren, but then again thats just me.
Osu and SB, Do you think some of the negative PR with tren is just due to how strong it is? Like if one were to consider running 400 mg of tren a week, they should kind of expect it to be equal to much more mgs of another compound due to it’s strength? It has an androgenic / anabolic ratio of 500:500, compared to test at 100:100 (I know these ratios are a bit of funny math, but give an idea). I know the way tren works is different (no e2 conversion, etc), and that it is not exactly comparable to test.
If one were running 2 grams of test they might get insomnia, and other undesirable sides (but they would have expected the sides), but 400 mg of tren is just seen as unbearable (400 tren = 2 grams of test by the ratio). People hear 2 grams of test and they are like OMG, but 400 mg tren is not looked at the same way, but maybe should be.
I guess my point is that dosing maybe needs to be lower? Fill me in if I am off base here, as I have only ever taken TRT (for now).
I think you need to be careful no matter what because everybody reacts differently to different compounds at certain dosages.
Even for us to recommend anything specific is a bit dangerous. The only thing we can honestly say is what the rewards are and what the risks are. It’s no different than any prescription drug you get from a doctor. They all have side effects dependent upon the person and dosage. But each of those drugs prescribed has a specific purpose no differently then deca tren equipoise or any other compound.
It’s just hard to say what dosage is correct for what person and whatever compound they are running. They honestly just need to consider the risks and either take the plunge or don’t.
I know guys who have run 500 test and 500 tren e. Of course there are side effects. Some of it just comes down to what your body can handle in what your mind is willing to deal with.
Aside from all the nasty stuff that can happen on tren (which I think is more rare but is more talked about) the worst side effect in my mind is the sleep disturbances. It’s what keeps me away from tren entirely. My sleep is already not great, and I sleep hot. Adding tren to that seems like a recipe for Zombie Yuppie. That seems like something that would interfere with my life too much.
Yep. Just finished up my first 12 weeks on Tren E and the only noticable changes (apart from looking like a monster) was the OCCASIONAL night sweats and an a massive increase in assertiveness.
As a wild example - before Tren - if I had road rage I would scream that the person who did something wrong was a cunt from behind the wheel… and whilst on Tren I would actually pull up next to them and call them a cunt… nothing too drastic, but I noticed it it.
Iron, wouldn’t you also have those issues if you ran high test as well? Again, never ran anything other than trt (I’m trying to learn). It’s just so powerful that maybe people should start tren at like 100/wk, and maybe those issues would not happen?
I liked test and deca together but you really ought to run them at least 16 weeks.
A friend of mine has been on 500 test 300 deca for 2 yrs straight as a base. Will occasionally add in other compounds for a little while. He’s a big boy! Powerlifter not bodybuilder. And yes he is well aware of the risk.
I haven’t used Deca but I remember it being mentioned a few times that the neurological effects can be harsh and can last up to 4 x cycle length before they dissapate. @unreal24278 mentioned it’s negative effects recently. That said, I know quite a few people who know nothing about steroids that do Deca cycles all the time and love it.
I don’t have worse sleep on test, either trt or higher doses. I feel no different on test at 120 or 420 (which was my blast dose). It does t change anything for me, thankfully.
Just for disclosure I regularly rotate tren enanthate into my cycles but I have only once used NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate aka quick deca).
Night sweats, only way to know is run that dosage. I can tell you that from my experience the sweats don’t hit right away but I always use enanthate. Also it seems like the night sweats are lessening as I run tren again and again.
Prami or caber, just like arimidex vs aromasin, some guys respond well to one and not the other or respond well to both. You could try each one like use one for 4 weeks then the other but you have to keep in mind that usually regardless of ester side effects are worse and worse as we get later in the cycle. So that might not be a fair way to judge them for yourself.
I always used vitamin b6 at 600mgs a day for my first few tren cycles. Never had an issue but that’s me with my brand of tren and so on. When I decided to try NPP I got caber and I did use it at 0.25 mgs about every 5 days. I am hesitant to tell anyone to just assume you will have issues and just blindly take caber or prami from the start. However I would definitely have some in hand before starting, just don’t think you should start taking it without having a reason to. After all you will be putting plenty of other things into your body.
I have done the test mast and tren cycle myself, didn’t gain a whole bunch but what I got was solid and I definitely lost fat. That mast should counter or at least balance out any possible estrogen or even possible libido issues with deca or tren. The mast will also keep the gains that you do get nice and lean aka quality, although this is really only a concern with the deca. Tren gains are dry and lean without any help. I think you have a smart mix of test mast with deca or tren for the first time provided you have run mast before. Also your proposed dosages of tren or deca are conservative so again you seem to be playing for safety, good! Any time we use a compound for the first time just assume your body will respond the strongest mg for mg vs later usage of the same hormone. I think with all of your dosages you are set up to get some decent quality results. If you do run tren I would definitely do at least 8 weeks if there are no issues. And I say all this assuming you have done your homework and are at a point of development where tren is a reasonable option for you. If you are only on like your 4th cycle, hold off on the tren.
I just want to put in that I didn’t read all of the responses so if I am repeating someone else’s comment then I am sorry for the repeat.
My sleep has been awesome on test. Like you stated I don’t want something that effects my life that much, if it keeps me from going to sleep it’s not good. I’m a fairly level headed person but if I sleep less than 6 hours I get aggressive just at baseline, and Tren is the one gear claimed to actually cause more aggression so combine Tren and lack of sleep LOL I’d probably feel like a maniac
From my understanding that’s the stack for what a lot of great bodybuilders used back in the day for building mass is some test and a little deca.
I want the Masteron because of its anti estrogen and anti prolactin benefits that it has since it works in the same mechanism as a SERM and apparently it also blocks the progesterone receptors as well that’s why I assumed it’d be great to run with Tren or Deca.
Also I wanted to run a Testosterone as base, a DHT derivative and a Nandrolone all at once stacked.
I figured Mast would be a great DHT derivative to run because it’s fairly mild, great for the anti estrogen/anti-prolactin benefits and the increased labido.
Maybe what I’ll do is get some NPP and Tren A and try them both while on cycle? Would it benefit me to run NPP for 8 weeks and then Tren A for 8 weeks or is this nonsense? If I don’t like the Tren or either or, I can just drop it from my cycle.
Biggest reason I have excepted I simply cannot run Tren. DBol makes me chase people down and threaten to pull them out of their cars. I can’t imagine what Tren would do to me. Haha.
I could probably deal with an occasional night sweat or two . If you don’t mind me asking what was your dosage like? Did you need to run prami or caber along with it? How was your labido and over feeling of well being? I hear some guys say they feel great and have rock hard boners all the time some say they feel like shit and have absolutely no labido