Libido Issue on Tren Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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Hi!!!

I just finished a second 2on/2off cycle of 50mg tren ace and 50mg test prop ED.

Just before this i’d done a 3x 2on/off cycle of 50mg test prop ED - and my libido was through the roof!

But for some reason, this time around, although my libido wasn’t low, per se, it was nothing like i get off test on its own.

A bit dissapointed to be honest.

I was on 0.5mg Cbaergoline three times a week, 0.5mg pramipexole ED, 5mg Selgiline ED, 250iu HCG E3D.

I avoided an AI for the most part, but would take 0.5mg for a couple of days if i looked too bloated.

Without having any bloodwork numbers (sorry), can anyone speculate as to why this is?

Although my gains have been AMAZING, and i’ve felt like a fucking CHAMP on this cycle, i might drop the tren and just go to something like 500-750mg/wk test for my next cycle. Because i like being horny.

Thanks!

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Has this been your entire cycle or just since your run with the testicular cancer.

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entire cycle.

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Hi!!!

I just finished a second 2on/2off cycle of 50mg tren ace and 50mg test prop ED.

Just before this i’d done a 3x 2on/off cycle of 50mg test prop ED - and my libido was through the roof!

But for some reason, this time around, although my libido wasn’t low, per se, it was nothing like i get off test on its own.

A bit dissapointed to be honest.

I was on 0.5mg Cbaergoline three times a week, 0.5mg pramipexole ED, 5mg Selgiline ED, 250iu HCG E3D.

I avoided an AI for the most part, but would take 0.5mg for a couple of days if i looked too bloated.

Without having any bloodwork numbers (sorry), can anyone speculate as to why this is?

Although my gains have been AMAZING, and i’ve felt like a fucking CHAMP on this cycle, i might drop the tren and just go to something like 500-750mg/wk test for my next cycle. Because i like being horny.

Thanks![/quote]That is odd given the triple combo of ancillaries you had in place. I know personally I’ve found it necessary to boost my caber intake from 1mg a week to 3mg a week. 3mg is a pretty decent dose and nearly double what you run but then again that was my total anti-prolactin product.

The other way to look at it is rather than dropping the tren which very likely will work you could add more things into the mix. Namely, masteron and tadafil. Mast plus test is the greatest combo for sexual-whatever-you-wanna-call-it drive, libido, vigor.
Nor19’s are harsh for many on the sex-whatever and you did admirably to prevent issues and it sounds like you’re not totally in the tank. Next time either try more of your ancillaries or add in a few hundred mg’s of mast and some tadafil 2-3 times a week

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Yeah, i dropped some tadalafil this morning, and its quite amazing how the simple fact of having a hard-on jacks your libido furreal.

I’m all set for the w/e. Come on my selecta! lol

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oh, thanks for your advise re: test + mast

I dropped the mast cos research told me its unescessary if i’ve got the tren which is a mad androgen anyway.

3mg caber/wk??? wow, that’s almost 0.5 a day - my heart is shivering just at the thought of that much.

I alwasy wanted to go there though… nothhing like the libido effects of a dopamine agonist.

I hate prami, and will probably never use it again.

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
oh, thanks for your advise re: test + mast

I dropped the mast cos research told me its unescessary if i’ve got the tren which is a mad androgen anyway.

3mg caber/wk??? wow, that’s almost 0.5 a day - my heart is shivering just at the thought of that much.

I alwasy wanted to go there though… nothhing like the libido effects of a dopamine agonist.

I hate prami, and will probably never use it again.[/quote]
I think your research is off then as IMO there’s no reason to stop mast because you start tren?? Yeah I take 1mg MWF of the caber. I ordered the standard 20x1mg and they re-shipped it when it appeared it was seized, well it wasn’t so I got 2 bottles. So with 40mgs of caber I got plenty. Im on 100mg of tren ace right now and I just about need the amount of caber Im on. 1mg a week does not cut it for me and 2mg a week is just one step forward one step back

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[quote]saps wrote:

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
oh, thanks for your advise re: test + mast

I dropped the mast cos research told me its unescessary if i’ve got the tren which is a mad androgen anyway.

3mg caber/wk??? wow, that’s almost 0.5 a day - my heart is shivering just at the thought of that much.

I alwasy wanted to go there though… nothhing like the libido effects of a dopamine agonist.

I hate prami, and will probably never use it again.[/quote]
I think your research is off then as IMO there’s no reason to stop mast because you start tren?? Yeah I take 1mg MWF of the caber. I ordered the standard 20x1mg and they re-shipped it when it appeared it was seized, well it wasn’t so I got 2 bottles. So with 40mgs of caber I got plenty. Im on 100mg of tren ace right now and I just about need the amount of caber Im on. 1mg a week does not cut it for me and 2mg a week is just one step forward one step back[/quote]

Is that 100 ED of the Tren saps? Just wondering how that’s working as far as strength goes (I think I read in another thread you’re training strongman style now). Part of my cycle, currently, is 40 ED and I’ve never felt better. I don’t think I’d dare to go to doses that high (as I’m guessing you’re taking over 1-1.3g/week with the test and others mixed in) and that’s just too much for me this early in time.

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Yeah woops that is 100mg tren ace ED. Im also on 200mg/wk of test c and 450mg mast prop / wk. So yeah right around 1.3g wk like you thought. I also take 40mg of dbol pre-training 3 days a week so 1.4g if you really wanna split hairs.
The strength kicked in immediately. Im lucky in that regard as enanthates kick in the first week for me and obviously the ace was super quick.

Here’s the example. Last wednesday I did some high rep Incline Press 225x20 [training to train with sets that take 30-40 seconds to complete aka strength endurance for strongman.] Last Saturday I started tren ace 100mg ED. I re-hit the Incline Press Monday after just 3 total hits of 100mg of the ace and literally 48 hours]. I got 24 reps with the same weight.

Im going to gym within an hour and Im super tempted to try the 225 test again and would not be surprised to get 27-28 reps if I did that weight. Thats how hard and fast tren hits for me. From 20 to potentially 28 in less than a week. I might use a heavier weight however as 25+ reps is getting out of the zone for me and borderlining on too light a weight

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[quote]saps wrote:
Yeah woops that is 100mg tren ace ED. Im also on 200mg/wk of test c and 450mg mast prop / wk. So yeah right around 1.3g wk like you thought. I also take 40mg of dbol pre-training 3 days a week so 1.4g if you really wanna split hairs.
The strength kicked in immediately. Im lucky in that regard as enanthates kick in the first week for me and obviously the ace was super quick.

Here’s the example. Last wednesday I did some high rep Incline Press 225x20 [training to train with sets that take 30-40 seconds to complete aka strength endurance for strongman.] Last Saturday I started tren ace 100mg ED. I re-hit the Incline Press Monday after just 3 total hits of 100mg of the ace and literally 48 hours]. I got 24 reps with the same weight.

Im going to gym within an hour and Im super tempted to try the 225 test again and would not be surprised to get 27-28 reps if I did that weight. Thats how hard and fast tren hits for me. From 20 to potentially 28 in less than a week. I might use a heavier weight however as 25+ reps is getting out of the zone for me and borderlining on too light a weight[/quote]

That’s quite an insane strength gain so quickly.
I’m currently running 40mg ed tren A with 500/wk test E (which, unfortunately doesn’t really start to kick in for me until late into week 2 or mid week 3). I’m also running 0.25mg Letro ed (I wanted to run this cycle without an AI but I chickened out). I noticed a big strength (as well as mass) gaining difference between this cycle and just Test E alone, as I did last time. I actually can’t wait to finish this cycle, take 12-15 wks off, then try another cycle with a higher dose of tren.

I have noticed that I am fairly impervious to the conventional sides (except heavy sweating, it’s getting disgusting). However, I am prone to more unconventional sides, it seems. Did my bloodwork last week (3 weeks into the cycle): Elevated BP (140ish range, usually in the mid 120’s for me), Elevated ALT/AST, elevated LDH, elevated WBC count (although I don’t really care about this, as it’s probably just aggravated from injection site inflammation), and high cholesterol (didn’t do a differential cholesterol count as I didn’t feel like fasting for 12h). Going to redo the blood in two weeks time to see if it’s even further elevated. Do you ever experience any of these sides (if you have gotten your bloodwork done on these types of tren doses before)?

For most of the elevations, I don’t really care unless it gets into imminent danger zones, since cycles are temporary and the body is quite resilient, but still would like to hear other peoples’ experience with it.

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Yeah those are the conventional sides actually. I have elevated RBC and WBC. My cholestrol is terrible. My ALT/AST stay in normal range. You really ought to try the lower dose of test and see if it improves many of these sides. For me the BP was the biggest help as was the much milder aerobic-cardio penalty.

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[quote]saps wrote:
Yeah those are the conventional sides actually. I have elevated RBC and WBC. My cholestrol is terrible. My ALT/AST stay in normal range. You really ought to try the lower dose of test and see if it improves many of these sides. For me the BP was the biggest help as was the much milder aerobic-cardio penalty.[/quote]

I was planning to get a little creative next cycle anyways.

Would you say that the masteron is pretty necessary when you use a Tren:Test ratio like that?

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[quote]JoeyD20 wrote:
Would you say that the masteron is pretty necessary when you use a Tren:Test ratio like that?[/quote]No its not necessary but I like to include it. When Im not on tren Im still on mast and test. I just like those two together so much.

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:

I was on 0.5mg Cbaergoline three times a week, 0.5mg pramipexole ED, 5mg Selgiline ED, [/quote]

More has got to be better?

And why was there a need for even one of these?

(Not, I hope, a claim that trenbolone has progestagenic activity that must be counteracted with any of these drugs.)

And how about that ibuprofen, naproxen, and Celebrex stack. Why take just one of them, when we could instead combine three NSAIDs?

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You’ve gone through some stressful stuff recently. There’s completely good reasons why your libido might be low that have nothing to do with AAS.

As for myself, I’m currently on 75mg/day TA, 20mg/day Dbol and 250iu hcg 3x/week and my libido is great. Tren and me are friends. Except that feeling like a human pincushion with the daily injects sucks.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]WyldFlower wrote:

I was on 0.5mg Cbaergoline three times a week, 0.5mg pramipexole ED, 5mg Selgiline ED, [/quote]

More has got to be better?

And why was there a need for even one of these?

(Not, I hope, a claim that trenbolone has progestagenic activity that must be counteracted with any of these drugs.)

And how about that ibuprofen, naproxen, and Celebrex stack. Why take just one of them, when we could instead combine three NSAIDs?[/quote]

Hi Bill,

Firstly, i have a “thing” for dopamine. Well stimulants in general, but i take modafinil and occasionally wellbutrin as well as caber and selegiline on a ROUTINE basis, whether on AAS or not. I live a full life at a FURIOUS pace - in that i train like a bastard and work like a bastard. I experiment with my psychology quite liberally, so having high levels of dopamine 3 weeks out of 4 is how i like to live my life.

Corollary to that, i’m a pervert and i find these combinations great for sex drive etc. So i’m not “stacking” for sakes of fighting Tren side effects etc…

Secondly, i was under the impression that Tren, as a 19-nor, increases prolactin levels. It also causes mad insomnia. I’ve seen reports of people who’ve killed two birds with one stone in this respect by incorporating prami - which puts them to sleep as well as helps with prolactin. I therefore reduced my Cabergoline in take and slowly tapered up my prami, with the hope of replacing one entirely with the other if i could tolerate it. The experiement didn’t work as intended, i subsequently dropped prami altogether.

Thanks

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[quote]OTS1 wrote:
You’ve gone through some stressful stuff recently. There’s completely good reasons why your libido might be low that have nothing to do with AAS.

As for myself, I’m currently on 75mg/day TA, 20mg/day Dbol and 250iu hcg 3x/week and my libido is great. Tren and me are friends. Except that feeling like a human pincushion with the daily injects sucks.[/quote]

Hit the nail on the head. More specifically, it is the painkillers that have been doing it. More specifically more specifically its the Tramadol that the doctors have prescribed me which has done it (introducing me to a whole NEW class of drugs, and omg this drug is pure bliss!)

Basically its a mild opiate and a sertogenic. I’ve realised the serotonin aspect of it is killing my sex drive. Having dropped it (with intense withdrawal) a couple of days ago, i woke up this morning with the most INSANE hornyness and the most fucked up sexual fantasies running through my head that i haven’t had for weeks :stuck_out_tongue:

Unfortunately, i’ve had to take some Tramadol today, as the stitches in my groin from the operation haven’t fully healed, and the wound was BURNING LIKE HELL, that i was incapicatated. And the tramadol is the only thing i had to hand.

The result? Trying to jerk off to porn and STRUGGLING to keep my mind on the job. Heh. I’ll be glad when the stitches are taken out on Monday.

It has been a rough stressful couple of weeks, i really should have tapered down my training through it.

Peace

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There is no actual evidence of trenbolone increasing prolactin. There is also no evidence of trenbolone being progestagenic, other than an absolutely trivial potency in this regard of 1% that of progesterone itself. Trenbolone that actually is trenbolone doesn’t require dopaminergic drugs.

If you like using them anyway, that’s another matter.

But if there’s an advantage to combining cabergoline and pramipexole, I don’t know what it would be as their mechanism in the brain is the same.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There is no actual evidence of trenbolone increasing prolactin. There is also no evidence of trenbolone being progestagenic, other than an absolutely trivial potency in this regard of 1% that of progesterone itself. Trenbolone that actually is trenbolone doesn’t require dopaminergic drugs.

If you like using them anyway, that’s another matter.

But if there’s an advantage to combining cabergoline and pramipexole, I don’t know what it would be as their mechanism in the brain is the same.

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Do you think tren made from fina can cause estrogen side effects, or make estrogen sides worse?

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No.

Assuming you mean Finaplix H.

Finaplix S would be a completely different story. But I hope and think it is a rare mistake for anyone to make that substitution.