PCT got WAY overcomplicated on this site. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the old 40/40/20/20 nolva PCT is more than enough to achieve close to baseline recovery in the vast majority of all first or second time cycles.
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
PCT got WAY overcomplicated on this site. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the old 40/40/20/20 nolva PCT is more than enough to achieve close to baseline recovery in the vast majority of all first or second time cycles. [/quote]
Thanks for clarifying the whole PCT thing for me. I did a bunch of research about that shit and got about thirty different “methods” for coming off the test. Unfortunately I don’t know really know anyone with any significant experience in this department so I was left to my own devices on this matter.
I suppose this will be my first cycle. I don’t really count the four weeks of A50 as a cycle. My buddy started a cycle the same time I started, which was about two months ago, except that he totally fucked his cycle up, as far as I’m concerned.
He was running a short cycle of test deca and started with 750mg a week right off the bat. Except that he then ran into some money issues and ended up selling the last vial of his test but didn’t save any for tapering off. Which would have been fine, except that he also was using Dianabol every day for the first four weeks and then stopped everything entirely when he ran out of the test.
So he went from 750mg a week of test deca to absolutely nothing at all after just six weeks or so. Now his balls are shrunk up, but after he sold his test he decided to start back in with the Dianabol and doubled up the dosage for about 10 days until he ran out of that. Now he has no test to taper with, no Nolvedex, Arimidex, 1XD, tiribulus or anything else along those lines and he doesn’t understand why he’s depressed all the time and his balls are still the size of small almonds.
If he went from 750mg of test deca a week for about 6 weeks, then stopped entirely with no taper, had no stasis period since he immediately went back to the Dianabol for almost two weeks and then stopped that and now has gone more than a week with nothing at all, is he fucked? What would you recommend for him to get his balls back? Because this motherfucker is calling me every goddamned day in a paranoid stupor and I don’t know what to tell him other than don’t buy a shitload of testosterone and Dianabol and then sell it all without saving some to taper off of. Or at least get some fucking Nolvadex with the money you get from the test. Shit, I don’t care what he does, really. Serves him right for buying all that shit when he’s broke.
[quote]LTKO wrote:
wtf. i always thought DBCooper was this big black guy. i m disappointz ):[/quote]
You’re confusing me with DarkNinjaa.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
PCT got WAY overcomplicated on this site. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the old 40/40/20/20 nolva PCT is more than enough to achieve close to baseline recovery in the vast majority of all first or second time cycles. [/quote]
Thanks for clarifying the whole PCT thing for me. I did a bunch of research about that shit and got about thirty different “methods” for coming off the test. Unfortunately I don’t know really know anyone with any significant experience in this department so I was left to my own devices on this matter.
I suppose this will be my first cycle. I don’t really count the four weeks of A50 as a cycle. My buddy started a cycle the same time I started, which was about two months ago, except that he totally fucked his cycle up, as far as I’m concerned.
He was running a short cycle of test deca and started with 750mg a week right off the bat. Except that he then ran into some money issues and ended up selling the last vial of his test but didn’t save any for tapering off. Which would have been fine, except that he also was using Dianabol every day for the first four weeks and then stopped everything entirely when he ran out of the test.
So he went from 750mg a week of test deca to absolutely nothing at all after just six weeks or so. Now his balls are shrunk up, but after he sold his test he decided to start back in with the Dianabol and doubled up the dosage for about 10 days until he ran out of that. Now he has no test to taper with, no Nolvedex, Arimidex, 1XD, tiribulus or anything else along those lines and he doesn’t understand why he’s depressed all the time and his balls are still the size of small almonds.
If he went from 750mg of test deca a week for about 6 weeks, then stopped entirely with no taper, had no stasis period since he immediately went back to the Dianabol for almost two weeks and then stopped that and now has gone more than a week with nothing at all, is he fucked? What would you recommend for him to get his balls back? Because this motherfucker is calling me every goddamned day in a paranoid stupor and I don’t know what to tell him other than don’t buy a shitload of testosterone and Dianabol and then sell it all without saving some to taper off of. Or at least get some fucking Nolvadex with the money you get from the test. Shit, I don’t care what he does, really. Serves him right for buying all that shit when he’s broke.[/quote]
Your friend did some dumbass things. He should be told in the future never, ever to start a cycle unless he has everything on hand to finish that cycle.
Why on earth would he want test deca anyway, unless he’s doing TRT? That’s WAY too long an ester for normal cycling purposes. Stick with enth or cyp or, better if he can stand at least EOD injections, prop. This is beside the point, though.
If he still has dianabol, he should get back on a lowish dose now, say 30mg/day. This will not help his HPTA at all, but at least he’ll feel normal while waiting for the Nolvadex he orders to arrive. If he cannot find a trustworthy research chem place (I don’t trust any of them), he can just spend the extra money and buy some pharm grade Nolva online. He will probably get it more quickly that way, anyway, and can find a domestic retailer. When it arrives, he should drop the dbol, wait a day, then begin 4 weeks of it at 40/40/20/20. He could also use clomid instead of nolva. I forget the ratios, as I have never used clomid, so you’ll have to check, yourself, though I think it is pretty easy to find if you just google it. Something in 50mg increments.
If he has no dianabol he is just going to have to deal with the fact that he’s going to feel like shit until his nolva or climid arrives. Proceed as outlined above.
If he just can’t get nolva or clomid (which is stupid, he can), he WILL recover, most likely, but it is going to take months, and I cannot recommend against this strongly enough. Not only is he going to have issues with lethargy, depression, and possible sexual side effects, he is going to completely sabotage not only any progress he made in the gym, but progress that was made even before he started.
The idiot also should have arimidex so that he can control estrogen while on cycle, unless he wants to increase his chest size with mammary tissue in addition to muscle.
Tell him this should be a lesson to him not to fuck with his body unless he has done adequate research and preparation beforehand.
You sound like you have, and I’m sure you’ll be fine.
I’ll be fine, but he’s fucked. He told me he had sold his test and I didn’t think anything of it at the time because I assumed he had made sure he had enough left to at least taper off, since I had explained to him about a billion times that if he was adamant about not using any PCT shit that he would have to simply taper off the test. I don’t know what the fuck he was thinking. He doesn’t even have any Dianabol left and he’s already convinced his nipples have started getting puffy. I had him show me his balls and they’re pretty fucking small right now.
I don’t think he’s had any sexual issues yet, yet being the key word. Of course, I also don’t think he’d say anything if he WAS having some cock issues, but whatever. I would feel bad for him except that he was fucking forewarned about this by me so many times that there simply isn’t any excuse for him. Fuck, if it wasn’t for me he would have ended up getting his test from some bullshit website based out of fucking Moldova instead of the high-octane shit I have access to, and who knows what the hell that shit really is.
I know he wants to get something called 1XD from the local supplement shop, but it’s been a week since he said that and he still hasn’t bought it yet. And who knows if that shit is even going to do anything for him.
So here’s what i’m planning on going with when I start back up for real. I have roughly 8500mg or so, so I figure I’ll front load at 1000mg for the first week (I fucking KNEW this was the way to go with an ester like cypionate but I let the guy who I acquired my shit from talk me out of it) and then I guess I’ll switch to 200mg every 72 hours. I still have about 25-30 A50 pills, so I think I’ll take one every day that I work out as a sort of pre-workout thing until I’m out of it, then I’ll run just the cypionate until I’m out of it then do the Nolvadex thing after that.
What do you think of taking some milkthistle or something along those lines while I’m taking the A50? When I was a collegiate pitcher I used to take about a dozen Ibuprofen at a time (just the over-the-counter 250mg per pill kind) and I started drinking EXTREMELY heavily once my baseball career was over, mostly because it was over. So I’m a little worried about liver health. Is the milk thistle even worth it or am I just wasting my time there when it comes to preserving what’s left of my liver during the A50 phase?
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Posted in the under 200 thread already.
Starting to see abs while relaxed. Feeling pretty awesome.[/quote]
looking good no homo, what under 200 thread?[/quote]
Thanks.
This one:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And the obligatory “most muscular” pose or whatever the hell they call it. [/quote]
Weird. I always pictured you as a Hispanic Henry Rollins. No idea why.
You look uncannily like a good friend of mine. Like, doppelganger uncanny. I’m going to see if I can dig up a photo of him, could be a long lost brother…
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I’ll be fine, but he’s fucked. He told me he had sold his test and I didn’t think anything of it at the time because I assumed he had made sure he had enough left to at least taper off, since I had explained to him about a billion times that if he was adamant about not using any PCT shit that he would have to simply taper off the test. I don’t know what the fuck he was thinking. He doesn’t even have any Dianabol left and he’s already convinced his nipples have started getting puffy. I had him show me his balls and they’re pretty fucking small right now.
I don’t think he’s had any sexual issues yet, yet being the key word. Of course, I also don’t think he’d say anything if he WAS having some cock issues, but whatever. I would feel bad for him except that he was fucking forewarned about this by me so many times that there simply isn’t any excuse for him. Fuck, if it wasn’t for me he would have ended up getting his test from some bullshit website based out of fucking Moldova instead of the high-octane shit I have access to, and who knows what the hell that shit really is.
I know he wants to get something called 1XD from the local supplement shop, but it’s been a week since he said that and he still hasn’t bought it yet. And who knows if that shit is even going to do anything for him.
So here’s what i’m planning on going with when I start back up for real. I have roughly 8500mg or so, so I figure I’ll front load at 1000mg for the first week (I fucking KNEW this was the way to go with an ester like cypionate but I let the guy who I acquired my shit from talk me out of it) and then I guess I’ll switch to 200mg every 72 hours. I still have about 25-30 A50 pills, so I think I’ll take one every day that I work out as a sort of pre-workout thing until I’m out of it, then I’ll run just the cypionate until I’m out of it then do the Nolvadex thing after that.
What do you think of taking some milkthistle or something along those lines while I’m taking the A50? When I was a collegiate pitcher I used to take about a dozen Ibuprofen at a time (just the over-the-counter 250mg per pill kind) and I started drinking EXTREMELY heavily once my baseball career was over, mostly because it was over. So I’m a little worried about liver health. Is the milk thistle even worth it or am I just wasting my time there when it comes to preserving what’s left of my liver during the A50 phase? [/quote]
Sounds to me like you have a pretty good cycle laid out. I like the idea of the Anadrol before workouts. I am not sure what the half life of Anadrol is. If it is roughly the same as dianabol, then taking some about 30 minutes before your workout will be an excellent complement to the test already in your system. If the half life is a bit longer, you’ll want to adjust accordingly.
It never hurts to take a liver supplement like milk thistle or Liv-50. I doubt the amount of Anadrol you are planning upon taking justifies it, though. The liver is self-regenerating, so as long as you cut that heavy drinking out and aren’t doing it on a cycle including orals, you should be fine. I think that liver damage is HIGHLY overrated on the bro-boards for the most part. I’ve heard of very, very few guys with abnormally high AST/ALT ratio or liver enzyme numbers even after protracted, heavy cycles including lots of orals. Then again, you never do know without blood work, and I do always recommend you get blood work done before and after cycles. Particularly before a first cycle, so that you have a baseline comparison to work with for all future cycles.
Tell your idiot friend not to take any fucking prohormones and fuck himself up worse than he already is. Good grief.
I lolled at you having him show you his balls.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And the obligatory “most muscular” pose or whatever the hell they call it. [/quote]
Weird. I always pictured you as a Hispanic Henry Rollins. No idea why.
You look uncannily like a good friend of mine. Like, doppelganger uncanny. I’m going to see if I can dig up a photo of him, could be a long lost brother…[/quote]
Your friend must be a really good-looking guy.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And the obligatory “most muscular” pose or whatever the hell they call it. [/quote]
Weird. I always pictured you as a Hispanic Henry Rollins. No idea why.
You look uncannily like a good friend of mine. Like, doppelganger uncanny. I’m going to see if I can dig up a photo of him, could be a long lost brother…[/quote]
Your friend must be a really good-looking guy.[/quote]
Pictures from this weekend in my thread over in the BBing forum.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Powerpuff#myForums/thread/5409278/
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Pictures from this weekend in my thread over in the BBing forum.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Powerpuff#myForums/thread/5409278/[/quote]
I think this link will work better: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/emphasis_on_quad_sweep?pageNo=2#5480601
Great work, Powerpuff! Fantastic arms and calves! I love those biceps and forearms.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Pictures from this weekend in my thread over in the BBing forum.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Powerpuff#myForums/thread/5409278/[/quote]
Very nice!
You look a bit like your avatar, haha!
Very glad to see the turnout and participation. Great work being done all around.
Also, thanks for tossing up some pics, DBCooper. I’d always figured you were extra camera-shy. DarkNinjaa posted in the August thread, Cooper is here. If Ct. Rockula makes an appearance here in the next week or so, the Mayans may end up being right.
[quote]theBird wrote:
Since I invented the idea of this thread[/quote]
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’ll bite. Skinnier than usual due to crappy training and diet since my second son was born in August.
Guess I’d better get off the computer and into the gym. [/quote]
Your forearm extensors look like you could raise the Costa Concordia with a wrist roller. Do you train them directly?
Thanks, SN! Actually, I got those forearms from a long period in which I did not have access to anything but two kettlebells, a 16kg and a 24kg one. I had just moved to Japan and the only gym with free weights was on the other side of town and I only had a bicycle. So almost all of my workouts were conducted at home. I did a TON of high rep snatch, clean and jerk and swing work, and if you’ve ever worked with KBs, you know that any exercise you do involves almost complete forearm muscle activation. I have not done any direct forearm work aside from a tiny bit of grip work in years.
It goes back to what I was saying earlier in the thread about bringing up lagging body parts. If you want to really make a certain muscle group grow, work it out every single time you work out. Try that for three months and come back and tell me I was wrong.