[quote]RootX wrote:
you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…
Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]
I’ve never tried “GOMAD”, but I like milk, and some days I’ll drink a whole gallon inadvertently. Most days it’s like half a gallon. I haven’t experienced hatred of food, bowel problems, issues digesting, headaches, mucus, or pimples. I call bullshit on that.[/quote]
Yup, because your experience means everyone else will have the same.
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I literally never said that as you can clearly see in the quote. I assume that you interpreted it that way since I called bullshit on that guy though. Am I wrong? Are there people here who can share their experiences of milk induced headaches and zits?
[quote]RootX wrote:
you will hate going to the toilets, you will hate digesting, you will hate food, you are likely to get pimples, headaches, mucus etc…
Most people I know who went GOMAD say they would not do it again. [/quote]
I’ve never tried “GOMAD”, but I like milk, and some days I’ll drink a whole gallon inadvertently. Most days it’s like half a gallon. I haven’t experienced hatred of food, bowel problems, issues digesting, headaches, mucus, or pimples. I call bullshit on that.[/quote]
Yup, because your experience means everyone else will have the same.
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I literally never said that as you can clearly see in the quote. I assume that you interpreted it that way since I called bullshit on that guy though. Am I wrong? Are there people here who can share their experiences of milk induced headaches and zits?[/quote]
Of course you didn’t literally say it, but you insinuated it.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, you were waiting, and so I came! Why all the hate against pasteurized milk?[/quote]
Based upon my readings, and my own logic/common sense I don’t feel it’s a food that should be regularly consumed.
also, if PN (a team that tend to take the middle ground on issues) are of the mindset that it’s not fit for regular consumption it just backs up my thoughts on the subject.
I didn’t have any of those ‘negative side effects’ mentioned above.
If you’re on a horrible diet to begin with (fried food, fast food, junk food, microwaveable meals), then GOMAD is probably a healthier diet for you, IF your body can handle the milk. Mine handled it fine. My girlfriend can barely handle a drop of milk in her coffee without having issues. (slight exaggeration, but her body can’t handle dairy [or alcohol] very well)
But there are significantly better options than pasteurized supermarket milk. In my personal opinion, I don’t think the pasteurization really makes a big deal here. What I think makes a difference is that the diet of the cows that produce most supermarket milk is severely lacking in many vitamins and minerals. I think that’s going to make more of a difference than anything.
I actually think milk, if it has all of its vitamins and minerals intact (whether or not its raw) is probably a pretty good food.
Eggs, however, provide more cholesterol… which is a precursor to testosterone. And based on what I know today, I would say that DOEAD/DEAD (dozen eggs) is probably better for you than GOMAD. It’s also easy to get cage free and/or Omega3 eggs.
Hmm… I would be very interested to see a study showing unnatural chemicals and/or hormones in pasteurized milk present in any significant dosage. I have a feeling all this shit they are finding in grocery store milk is detected at levels of like .0000001 parts per million using ultra sensitive equipment. Not to mention worrying about the introduction of hormones. Are you getting significant levels of unnaturally present hormones by taking them orally after they have been through another animal’s body? I didn’t realize it was that easy. Someone should tell the people who inject the shit directly.
Sorry gang, I really never mean to “thread hog” or anything, I just tend to get wordy and ask a bunch of questions, because I find it usually pulls useful info out of the OP that they otherwise wouldn’t have given.
[quote]Manwitaplan wrote:
I am doing 5/3/1 with boring but big following it every day with dips or chins and some sit ups.
For conditioning I am not doing much at the moment…6 mins skiiping and 4 mins on speedball.[/quote]
Sounds like your lifting volume is solid, compared to something more stripped down. Simply bumping up the conditioning a bit, something like 15-ish minutes of jump rope or incline treadmill, could further increase the daily work done without interrupting recovery and would help to keep fat gains in check.
If you can see abs right now, you don’t need to be sweating too much over gaining fat. I know you said you “gain fat easily”, but you’re already more lean than fat, so you’re in a good place as long as you don’t go overboard (which is easy enough to monitor on a weekly basis).
I’m not running the exact numbers, but generally speaking, it’s a start - two meals, two snacks, two shakes, not skipping carbs or fats, some protein at every meal. I’d just monitor your weight gain progress, and adjust the total calories as needed.
[quote]My main goals is strenght but I would also like to add some mass as a biproduct but not as a focus…I also believe adding weight will increase the weight I can lift.
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My goal is strenght but not at the expense of my appearance…i.e. once I am a good healthy weight and look ok all I care about is strenght…I dont want to look like a bodybuilder.[/quote]
What are your current bests on the basic lifts?
From what you’re saying, it sounds like you’ll get where you want to go by following a good strength building program that has “bodybuilding” accessory lifts (check) while eating abundant calories and protein (check) while keeping an eye on the scale and mirror to make sure things are going in the right direction (check?!?).
Great guys thanks a mil. Gonna stick with the diet outlined above and skip GOMAD and see how it goes.
Once I start adapting more to 5/3/1 (not used to high rep sets) I am going to start adding some more conditioning. I am going to do a circuit as follows:
3x (2 mins battling ropes, 2 mins skipping, 2 mins speedball) with a minute rest between sets.
My lifts at the moment are quite embarassing tbh:
Squat 251
Push press 130 (yes I said push press)
Deadlift 314
Bench 165
Progressed quick to those numbers but now finding it hard to progress which I found surprising as those numbers are still quite low…bit demotivating tbh hence my desire to add some bodyweight and up the numbers.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
In my personal opinion, I don’t think the pasteurization really makes a big deal here. What I think makes a difference is that the diet of the cows that produce most supermarket milk is severely lacking in many vitamins and minerals. I think that’s going to make more of a difference than anything.
I actually think milk, if it has all of its vitamins and minerals intact (whether or not its raw) is probably a pretty good food.
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The cow’s diet is definitely important, which is one of the reasons the mass produced milk has to be pasteurized in the first place.
Milk is more than just protein, carbs, fats, vitamins, and minerals.
Let’s not forget the compounds which are damaged by heat:
*Enzymes, especially lipase
*Bacteria, if the cow is healthy, the bacteria will be beneficial.
*Vitamin C reduction
*Enzymes that support absorption of minerals
*Proteins and peptides in natural, raw, bio-available form
Look I’m not going to argue that regular milk is worse than most of the processed junk out there. It’s just that when I made the switch to raw milk three years ago, I’ve never looked back.
PS The biggest raw California dairy used to sell Raw Colostrum, which the government made them take off the market. It’s unfortunate because I felt like that gave me super recovery abilities.
Nice. I read some research suggesting that even though the Growth Factor’s are unlikely to ever enter the blood stream, they still have profound effect on strengthening the gut and digestive system. Valuable for everyone.
Well, clearly raw milk seems to be superior. Not sure where I could even get it around here. We have non-homogenized milk, but it’s still pasteurized.
I can vouch though that I lived successfully off of pasteurized whole milk + a multivitamin for several months. And I really didn’t think about changing my diet until I joined to this site.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Well, clearly raw milk seems to be superior. Not sure where I could even get it around here. We have non-homogenized milk, but it’s still pasteurized.
I can vouch though that I lived successfully off of pasteurized whole milk + a multivitamin for several months. And I really didn’t think about changing my diet until I joined to this site.[/quote]
Because Raw Milk is not safe for everyone (elderly, people with immune disorders, etc), the government has seemingly… over-regulated raw milk.
If you live in a state like Washington, California, or some of the Northeast states, you can simply purchase Raw Milk at the natural health food store and co-ops. Typically the larger the company, the less likely they will sell raw milk (case in point: Whole Foods no longer sells raw milk). Farmers markets are a good place to start – if anything you can get more insider info too.
If you live in a highly regulated state, you will have to become a “partner” (pay a fee, sign a waiver) with a local dairy farm and probably have to drive to the farm to pick it up. It may be cheaper this way anyway.
Some states ban it altogether, so you would have to know someone personally or buy a goat for your backyard.
Does any of that shit really matter? Is it present to any significant degree in milk in the first place? Would you get enough of it in other parts of your diet regardless? Do you even fucking need it in your diet to begin with? Does cooking eggs and meat and all other foods “ruin” them too?
Does any of that shit really matter? Is it present to any significant degree in milk in the first place? Would you get enough of it in other parts of your diet regardless? Do you even fucking need it in your diet to begin with? Does cooking eggs and meat and all other foods “ruin” them too?
It just doesn’t seem important man.[/quote]
I honestly do not know. My gut says it does matter, and my gut says it does matter
Does any of that shit really matter? Is it present to any significant degree in milk in the first place? Would you get enough of it in other parts of your diet regardless? Do you even fucking need it in your diet to begin with? Does cooking eggs and meat and all other foods “ruin” them too?
It just doesn’t seem important man.[/quote]
I’m not sure I agree with what you have said in this thread, but I find it incredibly refreshing that someone out there is basing their opinions on personal experience and not just shit they read on the internet. Kudos to you, dude.
Milk is no worse than most protein supplements. GOMAD should not be done long term, 2 months is usually the cut off
I’ve used GOMAD a bunch and checked results with dexa machine, wcan expect 50% muscle and 50% fat. I’ve added 30 lbs to a guy in 6 weeks Coupled with GVT. Also stimulates appetite but it does have its downside, you have to be dedicated.
