About having to pay for the incarceration of murderers… Society creates them, so yes, society should also pay for them.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< And it still is, it could never stop being no matter how bad it gets, it corrects itself (Councils, Saints, &C). However, when I say “mistake,” I am talking about not being the rational one to talk it out rather than just go hay-wire and split from the Church and teach false doctrine.
Same with Henry VIII, he took it too far. However, St. Augustine had comments and corrections for the Church, but he did not go so far to spread heresy and split from the Church. >>>[/quote]I am going to resist the urge, at least for now, to do my usual thing and go off on the sidetrack of the century with this =] I already have one waiting, in response to AngryChicken from before.(I didn’t forget about ya bud)[quote]Brother Chris wrote:Do not worry about that, Biblical evidence gives me a headache too, because people like to use out of context/partial/incomplete scripture. >>>[/quote]And herein lies one of the defining differences, maybe THE defining difference between roman catholicism and “the Way, the Truth and the Life” which by incomprehensible grace grants me admittance as an individual man beyond the rent veil into the holy of holies. The priesthood of the son of God, the one after the order of Melchizedek of which I have been made an intimate participant is the only one I need. If you know your catholic doctrine at all you’ll know exactly what I’m talkin about here and how it applies to your quote and our discussion of capital punishment.[/quote]
You’ll have to point it out to me (the doctrine), as I am not familiar with exactly what you are talking about (or I might and my over heated brain just isn’t catching your drift). I was just concurring with you about using scripture because usually if the other person does not understand how to use scripture, all I am looking forward to is seeing copy and paste from Bible Gateway.
Now, If I am correct in thinking, you are talking about that doctrine which says only the Catholic Church has the Authority on Scripture and to find the truth you have to defer to the Catholic Church? amiright? Tell me if I am wrong, because it is likely.
[quote]PDJD wrote:
i’m a pubic defender. i’ve sat in jail with many hundreds of defendants. I was sort of pro death penalty until i sat down with someone who was eligible to receive it. I left the meeting feeling “nope, I couldn’t flip the switch, or push in the plunger on the syringe.”
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Is that emotion, or logic using Natural Law?
First, I would never call an inmate a bastard. Second, I have met a Death Row inmate, did one of those scare them straight things, he was a good guy but he himself admitted he deserved to die for his injustices to the family he slaughtered. I thought he was absent minded at the time, but I was foolish.
So you are saying that truth is relative? (Just curious, it is a slippery slope) So, because you would find it difficult to kill a man, it is wrong to do it? I think you are mistaking your fortitude with Justice.
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BTW, I now work for the state in an administrative role. It is FAR more expensive to legally kill a man than to house him for a lifetime. [/quote]
So because it is expensive, Justice should not be carried out?
Who is in favor of bringing back hanging? Right outside the courtroom which they were convicted? Just curious…
bump.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Who is in favor of bringing back hanging? Right outside the courtroom which they were convicted? Just curious…[/quote]
I think the manner of implementing the death penalty should be open to the one who is going to be killed - multiple choice as it were; hanging, firing squad, lethal injection or the chair - throw in the guillotine for good measure . . .
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Who is in favor of bringing back hanging? Right outside the courtroom which they were convicted? Just curious…[/quote]
I think the manner of implementing the death penalty should be open to the one who is going to be killed - multiple choice as it were; hanging, firing squad, lethal injection or the chair - throw in the guillotine for good measure . . . [/quote]
I think the Romans were on to something… put them in the arena and let them fight each other to the death. Put it on pay per view and use the proceeds to pay down our national debt.
That’ll make everyone happy.
/sarcasm
I have no illusions about changing anyone’s mind here. It’s written in the scriptures of your religion, so therefore it MUST be right. Some guys figured out some neat ways to control a barbaric, illiterate population over a thousand years ago, and you want to live your life by those principles - I get it (actually, I think it is retarded, but I support any one’s freedom to be retarded as long as it doesn’t affect me - when religion starts to affect laws and is used to justify punishments, it begins to affect me and this makes me angry). Regardless, I still think life in prison is a worse punishment than death - provided that it is a cell with a window and NOTHING ELSE. No contact, no TV, etc… But that’s my opinion.
My main issue with the death penalty is that it is permanent. So many innocent people have been put to death because of overzealous prosecutors. I would have a much easier time of accepting it if a law were passed that if a prosecutor convicted a man who was later proved to be innocent, and that man had been put to death, then the prosecutor shall be put to death.
What do you guys think about that? It’s essentially the state Murdering someone who is innocent, right? Shouldn’t the state be held accountable?
“written in the scriptures of your religion” - where did I quote any scripture? My defense of the death penalty was from an application of reason, not from any specific religious principles.
Accountability standards for the system and its officers? - not a problem to any of the defenses for the death penalty that i provided . . . same standard of law for all parties under the law.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
“written in the scriptures of your religion” - where did I quote any scripture? My defense of the death penalty was from an application of reason, not from any specific religious principles.
Accountability standards for the system and its officers? - not a problem to any of the defenses for the death penalty that i provided . . . same standard of law for all parties under the law.[/quote]
Perhaps I should have made two posts, as that particular part obviously didn’t apply to you. Apologies.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I would have a much easier time of accepting it if a law were passed that if a prosecutor convicted a man who was later proved to be innocent, and that man had been put to death, then the prosecutor shall be put to death.
What do you guys think about that? It’s essentially the state Murdering someone who is innocent, right? Shouldn’t the state be held accountable?[/quote]
I see what you are trying to get at. I think this is a good idea, but why stop there. You might as well include the police that gathered the evidence, the judge that allowed the evidence to be permitted, and the jurors that sentenced the person to death based on the evidence.
How about the innocent lives taken by the murderers? There should be some accountability for the murderes actions.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Who is in favor of bringing back hanging? Right outside the courtroom which they were convicted? Just curious…[/quote]
I think the manner of implementing the death penalty should be open to the one who is going to be killed - multiple choice as it were; hanging, firing squad, lethal injection or the chair - throw in the guillotine for good measure . . . [/quote]
I think the Romans were on to something… put them in the arena and let them fight each other to the death. Put it on pay per view and use the proceeds to pay down our national debt.
That’ll make everyone happy.
/sarcasm
I have no illusions about changing anyone’s mind here. It’s written in the scriptures of your religion, so therefore it MUST be right. Some guys figured out some neat ways to control a barbaric, illiterate population over a thousand years ago, and you want to live your life by those principles - I get it (actually, I think it is retarded, but I support any one’s freedom to be retarded as long as it doesn’t affect me - when religion starts to affect laws and is used to justify punishments, it begins to affect me and this makes me angry). Regardless, I still think life in prison is a worse punishment than death - provided that it is a cell with a window and NOTHING ELSE. No contact, no TV, etc… But that’s my opinion.
My main issue with the death penalty is that it is permanent. So many innocent people have been put to death because of overzealous prosecutors. I would have a much easier time of accepting it if a law were passed that if a prosecutor convicted a man who was later proved to be innocent, and that man had been put to death, then the prosecutor shall be put to death.
What do you guys think about that? It’s essentially the state Murdering someone who is innocent, right? Shouldn’t the state be held accountable?[/quote]
I agree on the last suggestion. Same thing if police killed someone that was a non-aggressor.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. [/quote]
You know that movie was pure fiction. They actually made the movie before the events “took place”. (quotations because they never took place, that is just when the movie alleged they took place)
[quote]Scrotus wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. [/quote]
You know that movie was pure fiction. They actually made the movie before the events “took place”. (quotations because they never took place, that is just when the movie alleged they took place)[/quote]
I did not know that, but I justed looked it up. I stand corrected. I was told that and I beleived it, to my detriment I suppose. It was a maximum security prison, and I went there in 1998. I guess telling us about the Texas Chainsaw bit made it possibly more scarry, but it was not a nice place to be in. I felt much better when we left and were outside the gates.