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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

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I thought their new album was good, but Brutality is Law is definitely their crown and jewel… IMO.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

[/quote]

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing.

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.

Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing.

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.

Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?[/quote]

Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing. [/quote] That seems too much like the amusing notion that fast 32nd note runs up and down the ladder somehow means that a band has “classical influences”. Oh well. Not ranting against you, of course, the whole thing just gets on my nerves. [quote]

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.
[/quote] The songs I have heard are from Servile Insurrection. Did Brutality is Law come before or after that one? Guess I’ll get those two… [quote]
Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?[/quote]
lol
Was that a reference to Death or am I crazy?

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.[/quote]

All I remember from listening to some decrepit birth mp3’s were a guitar tone with little color, no audible bass-guitar and a drum-machine.
And a crappy vocalist.

That was a while ago though, I don’t even know which album…
But seriously, the “jazz” influence in most of the mentioned albums is ridiculously small compared to bands like Coprofago (what a name… Kind of like DoggCrapp: I bet they would love to travel back in time and change it…) and Atheist(later work) and what have you…

Shit, the guys from Decapitated were all educated in jazz and classical music, but their albums showed none of that (unless you want to pick every tiny phrase apart and see if some jazz-band somewhere has used something similar before, at some point)… Shame that their drummer died, though, he did some cool stuff on their last album (anyone know if they’re planning to continue?).

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[quote]SSC wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing.

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.

Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?

Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.[/quote]

Well here’s all the OM’s Cryptic Implosion

Odious Mortem - The Endless Regression of Mind

Odious Mortem - Collapse Of Recreation

Odious Mortem - Subcortical Desiccation

Odious Mortem - Nux Vomica

Odious Mortem - Domain of the Eternal Paradox

Odious Mortem - Fragmented Oblivion

Odious Mortem - Vile Progeny

Odious Mortem - Gestation of Worms

Odious Mortem - Dysmorphic Avulsion

Odious Mortem - Conjoint Species

I have mix feelings about this band, a lot of music is well written, but the I feel it’s too spastic and doesn’t go anywhere at all. I think the only song that worthwhile is Domain of the Eternal Paradox, the whole song stays with its motif, and the ending of it is epic. Anthony’s vocals are mediocore imo because he doesn’t let the music breath. Vocal assaults are nice and all, but he hardly has any range, and it kinda gets tiresome after a while.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Guess who’s band is playing at NEDF this year![/quote]

Only saw this now, congrats!

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
SSC wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing.

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.

Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?

Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

Well here’s all the OM’s Cryptic Implosion

Odious Mortem - The Endless Regression of Mind

Odious Mortem - Collapse Of Recreation

Odious Mortem - Subcortical Desiccation

Odious Mortem - Nux Vomica

Odious Mortem - Domain of the Eternal Paradox

Odious Mortem - Fragmented Oblivion

Odious Mortem - Vile Progeny

Odious Mortem - Gestation of Worms

Odious Mortem - Dysmorphic Avulsion

Odious Mortem - Conjoint Species

I have mix feelings about this band, a lot of music is well written, but the I feel it’s too spastic and doesn’t go anywhere at all. I think the only song that worthwhile is Domain of the Eternal Paradox, the whole song stays with its motif, and the ending of it is epic. Anthony’s vocals are mediocore imo because he doesn’t let the music breath. Vocal assaults are nice and all, but he hardly has any range, and it kinda gets tiresome after a while.

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I agree with you on the spastic part. But hey, a whole damn lot of tech bands these days have the problem of going nowhere really.
Whenever they have a good riff/motif/whatever, they usually dump it way too soon for some boring, standard “tech”-riff or they just don’t really build on a motif, have no transitions anywhere and just sound more random than is good for them.
As if they wrote down 60 different riffs and then just throw dice to see which riff goes where.

Oh well. One gets used to it…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
SSC wrote:
Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

All I remember from listening to some decrepit birth mp3’s were a guitar tone with little color, no audible bass-guitar and a drum-machine.
And a crappy vocalist.

That was a while ago though, I don’t even know which album…
But seriously, the “jazz” influence in most of the mentioned albums is ridiculously small compared to bands like Coprofago (what a name… Kind of like DoggCrapp: I bet they would love to travel back in time and change it…) and Atheist(later work) and what have you…

Shit, the guys from Decapitated were all educated in jazz and classical music, but their albums showed none of that (unless you want to pick every tiny phrase apart and see if some jazz-band somewhere has used something similar before, at some point)… Shame that their drummer died, though, he did some cool stuff on their last album (anyone know if they’re planning to continue?).

[/quote]

Decapitated sounded like an updated Vader. Vitek was a cool guy, he tried buying me a beer once, but we were both underage so even he couldn’t get beer for both of us. I believe Covan is still hospitalized from the accident and Vogg is probably (rightly so imo) to break up the band.

Decrepit Birth went from:

Decrepit Birth- Shroud of Impurity

to

Decrepit Birth - The Enigmatic Form

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Think I’ll get myself “Terminal Function - Measuring the Abstract”.

Not outstanding, but listenable :slight_smile:

What else could I get… Anything out there with a somewhat unique/identifiable sound not just put together from the usual basic elements?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
SSC wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Well the latest batch of tech-death bands from the US have been coming from California and they all have a progressive sound with nu jazz elements

i.e.
Deeds of Flesh
Decrepit Birth
Odious Mortem
The Faceless
Severed Saviour

The faceless, odious mortem and decrepit birth have jazz elements?
I must be listening to the wrong albums all the time or something.

I do remember a tiny jazzy interlude on one SS song though (and I only have 2 songs of theirs… Actually need to remedy that).

What’s your fav. SS album?

Cryptic Implosion, DBW, and Planetary Duality have noticable jazzy dynamics, maybe not interludes like Cynic or anything, but deff. some pharsing.

I like Brutality is Law over Serville Inserrection.

Why do I feel like I’m being Trapped in a Corner?

Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

Well here’s all the OM’s Cryptic Implosion

Odious Mortem - The Endless Regression of Mind

Odious Mortem - Collapse Of Recreation

Odious Mortem - Subcortical Desiccation

Odious Mortem - Nux Vomica

Odious Mortem - Domain of the Eternal Paradox

Odious Mortem - Fragmented Oblivion

Odious Mortem - Vile Progeny

Odious Mortem - Gestation of Worms

Odious Mortem - Dysmorphic Avulsion

Odious Mortem - Conjoint Species

I have mix feelings about this band, a lot of music is well written, but the I feel it’s too spastic and doesn’t go anywhere at all. I think the only song that worthwhile is Domain of the Eternal Paradox, the whole song stays with its motif, and the ending of it is epic. Anthony’s vocals are mediocore imo because he doesn’t let the music breath. Vocal assaults are nice and all, but he hardly has any range, and it kinda gets tiresome after a while.

I agree with you on the spastic part. But hey, a whole damn lot of tech bands these days have the problem of going nowhere really.
Whenever they have a good riff/motif/whatever, they usually dump it way too soon for some boring, standard “tech”-riff or they just don’t really build on a motif, have no transitions anywhere and just sound more random than is good for them.
As if they wrote down 60 different riffs and then just throw dice to see which riff goes where.

Oh well. One gets used to it…

[/quote]

Yeah, it’s a case of Necrophagist syndrome…but at least with the other bands from that small Cali scene, it hasn’t been affecting them as much, which is good because I’m not a fan of OM, I feel even their tech riffs are too cookie cutter for my taste.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Think I’ll get myself “Terminal Function - Measuring the Abstract”.

Not outstanding, but listenable :slight_smile:

What else could I get… Anything out there with a somewhat unique/identifiable sound not just put together from the usual basic elements?

[/quote]

I love that album, hopefully it’ll grow on you.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
SSC wrote:
Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

All I remember from listening to some decrepit birth mp3’s were a guitar tone with little color, no audible bass-guitar and a drum-machine.
And a crappy vocalist.

That was a while ago though, I don’t even know which album…
But seriously, the “jazz” influence in most of the mentioned albums is ridiculously small compared to bands like Coprofago (what a name… Kind of like DoggCrapp: I bet they would love to travel back in time and change it…) and Atheist(later work) and what have you…

Shit, the guys from Decapitated were all educated in jazz and classical music, but their albums showed none of that (unless you want to pick every tiny phrase apart and see if some jazz-band somewhere has used something similar before, at some point)… Shame that their drummer died, though, he did some cool stuff on their last album (anyone know if they’re planning to continue?).

Decapitated sounded like an updated Vader. Vitek was a cool guy, he tried buying me a beer once, but we were both underage so even he couldn’t get beer for both of us. I believe Covan is still hospitalized from the accident and Vogg is probably (rightly so imo) to break up the band. [/quote] Shit, still in the hospital?
Man… A new album of theirs would surely have been great, with a better vocalist… Fate always get’s the wrong guys. Hope Covan won’t suffer any lasting damage, at least…[quote]

Decrepit Birth went from:

Decrepit Birth- Shroud of Impurity [/quote] That’s one of the songs I meant above. Though it was a while ago and I hardly remember anything about it.
Shame that I can’t actually listen to the vid on this pc… [quote]

to

Decrepit Birth - The Enigmatic Form [/quote] I’ll try to get a hold of the album if you think it’s worth it. Despite my comments above, our musical tastes aren’t all that different I’m guessing.[quote]

[/quote]

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Guess who’s band is playing at NEDF this year!

Only saw this now, congrats!

[/quote]

Thanks man, hopefully we’ll get some decent footage, and see if you guys like my band.

We do play neoclassical/nujazz/oldschoolthrash/tehnical noisecore/random time sig/death metal :slight_smile:

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Yeah, it’s a case of Necrophagist syndrome…but at least with the other bands from that small Cali scene, it hasn’t been affecting them as much, which is good because I’m not a fan of OM, I feel even their tech riffs are too cookie cutter for my taste.[/quote]

Hmm, Necrophagist (usually) do have transitions and a surprisingly simple song-structure (or at least one that doesn’t ever get changed much).

Imo a lot of their riffs are more interesting than what you see most other bands using, somehow more identifiable.

Oh well…

What do you think about Brain Drill.
I’ve only heard one song (apocalyptic feasting) and must say that while it’s fun to listen to once, it’s also kind of… Hmm.
I can’t really call that tech. I mean, it’s fast, but that’s it.
Nothing complicated about it actually, and the drummer is really boring… Fast blast followed by fast double-bass followed by fast blast, but with both kickdrums, some snare rolls in-between, that’s about it…

I think some bands misunderstand the whole tech-thing :slight_smile:

Though they’re still far from abysmal (most of the base-riffs from that song are… Colorless though. Weak production doesn’t help any, although it’s fairly clear at other times during the song)Maybe their other songs are more varied?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Yeah, it’s a case of Necrophagist syndrome…but at least with the other bands from that small Cali scene, it hasn’t been affecting them as much, which is good because I’m not a fan of OM, I feel even their tech riffs are too cookie cutter for my taste.

Hmm, Necrophagist (usually) do have transitions and a surprisingly simple song-structure (or at least one that doesn’t ever get changed much).

Imo a lot of their riffs are more interesting than what you see most other bands using, somehow more identifiable.

Oh well…

What do you think about Brain Drill.
I’ve only heard one song (apocalyptic feasting) and must say that while it’s fun to listen to once, it’s also kind of… Hmm.
I can’t really call that tech. I mean, it’s fast, but that’s it.
Nothing complicated about it actually, and the drummer is really boring… Fast blast followed by fast double-bass followed by fast blast, but with both kickdrums, some snare rolls in-between, that’s about it…

I think some bands misunderstand the whole tech-thing :slight_smile:

Though they’re still far from abysmal (most of the base-riffs from that song are… Colorless though. Weak production doesn’t help any, although it’s fairly clear at other times during the song)Maybe their other songs are more varied?

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For whatever it’s worth… I really like Brain Drill. I hadn’t heard their first EP/album at all, but I thought Apocalyptic Feasting overall was pretty solid.

That being said, their style is my bread and butter.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Guess who’s band is playing at NEDF this year!

Only saw this now, congrats!

Thanks man, hopefully we’ll get some decent footage, and see if you guys like my band.

We do play neoclassical/nujazz/oldschoolthrash/tehnical noisecore/random time sig/death metal :)[/quote] ← try inserting “meathead” as well. I think that may surprise people into buying more copies, particularly the goregrind fans :stuck_out_tongue:

Gotta see if I can find our album on Rapidshare or something :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: (no, I won’t get AIM or yahoo-messenger or whatever is “in” these days, I’m too old and too kvlt for that shit).

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
SSC wrote:
Nah, I totally agree with you about the jazz elements. Hell, I thought the Faceless’s first album had some jazz elements in their… I haven’t heard the Odius Mordum album yet, but Decrepit Birth certainly had all sorts of crazy shit sprinkled in there.

All I remember from listening to some decrepit birth mp3’s were a guitar tone with little color, no audible bass-guitar and a drum-machine.
And a crappy vocalist.

That was a while ago though, I don’t even know which album…
But seriously, the “jazz” influence in most of the mentioned albums is ridiculously small compared to bands like Coprofago (what a name… Kind of like DoggCrapp: I bet they would love to travel back in time and change it…) and Atheist(later work) and what have you…

Shit, the guys from Decapitated were all educated in jazz and classical music, but their albums showed none of that (unless you want to pick every tiny phrase apart and see if some jazz-band somewhere has used something similar before, at some point)… Shame that their drummer died, though, he did some cool stuff on their last album (anyone know if they’re planning to continue?).

Decapitated sounded like an updated Vader. Vitek was a cool guy, he tried buying me a beer once, but we were both underage so even he couldn’t get beer for both of us. I believe Covan is still hospitalized from the accident and Vogg is probably (rightly so imo) to break up the band. Shit, still in the hospital?
Man… A new album of theirs would surely have been great, with a better vocalist… Fate always get’s the wrong guys. Hope Covan won’t suffer any lasting damage, at least…

Decrepit Birth went from:

Decrepit Birth- Shroud of Impurity That’s one of the songs I meant above. Though it was a while ago and I hardly remember anything about it.
Shame that I can’t actually listen to the vid on this pc…

to

Decrepit Birth - The Enigmatic Form I’ll try to get a hold of the album if you think it’s worth it. Despite my comments above, our musical tastes aren’t all that different I’m guessing.

[/quote]

Yeah, there was a thread about on a metal forum that I also post on that was asking for donations for him, it’s sad to hear he’s in such disarray.

I don’t think our musical tastes are different at all, I just come from a background of being around Jazz/Latin/Classical musicians all my life, so when I hear Death Metal bands that are starting to use above said genres in their sound, I analyze it more thoroughly than most people would. Other than that, I like to bang my head and destroy like any other metalhead :slight_smile:

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[quote]SSC wrote:

For whatever it’s worth… I really like Brain Drill. I hadn’t heard their first EP/album at all, but I thought Apocalyptic Feasting overall was pretty solid.

That being said, their style is my bread and butter.[/quote]

Yeah well, I guess I’m an overly-critical person at times when it comes to music. I’ve just sort of heard it all before a thousand times, you know?
Of course they’re not bad at all, just not really exciting enough… I dunno… As I’ve said, I only listened to one song and that is hardly enough to really be able to judge them.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
detazathoth wrote:

Guess who’s band is playing at NEDF this year!

Only saw this now, congrats!

Thanks man, hopefully we’ll get some decent footage, and see if you guys like my band.

We do play neoclassical/nujazz/oldschoolthrash/tehnical noisecore/random time sig/death metal :slight_smile: ← try inserting “meathead” as well. I think that may surprise people into buying more copies, particularly the goregrind fans :stuck_out_tongue:

Gotta see if I can find our album on Rapidshare or something :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: (no, I won’t get AIM or yahoo-messenger or whatever is “in” these days, I’m too old and too kvlt for that shit).

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Oh shit - I clicked the link but didn’t make the connection. Which band is yours? That’s fucking awesome, man!