Interesting now 25 years later this scum has decided the best way for his sentence to be carried out is a Firing Squad (Utah still allows this method). Boy would I love to see this!
Edit: I also wonder since Obama is so into putting his nose into states rights if he will but in on this also.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Boy would I love to see this!
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Nobody should ever want to see someone else get shot to death.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Boy would I love to see this!
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Nobody should ever want to see someone else get shot to death.[/quote]
You have your opinion, I have mine.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
For context let’s find out why this poor man is headed to hell soon:
"The charges stem from an incident that occurred on April 2, 1985. Defendant was being transported from the maximum security unit of the Utah State Prison to the Metropolitan Hall of Justice in Salt Lake City to appear at a hearing on a second degree murder charge. As he entered the basement lobby of the Hall, he was handed a gun by a female accomplice. He fumbled with the unfamiliar weapon; his guards retreated to the parking lot. Gunfire was exchanged, and defendant was shot in the shoulder. He entered an archives room, looking for a way out of the building. There he encountered a court clerk, a prison officer, and three attorneys. Two of the attorneys sought refuge behind the office door. Defendant turned on them, pointed the gun at one and then the other, and fired, killing attorney Michael Burdell.The prison officer, Richard Thomas, was forced to lead defendant out of the archives room to a stairwell leading to the second floor. As defendant crossed the lobby, Nick Kirk, a uniformed bailiff, came down the stairway to investigate the disturbance. Defendant shot and seriously wounded Kirk and then proceeded up the stairs. On the next floor, defendant encountered Wilburn Miller, a vending machine serviceman, and forced him to accompany defendant outside of the building. As defendant stepped outside, Miller broke free and dived through a tellerâ??s window inside the building. Once outside, defendant, wounded, shackled, and surrounded by police, threw down his gun and surrendered.
Ronnie Lee Gardner is a prime example of the problems with the death penalty and criminal justice system in Utah. Ronnie Lee Gardner has a criminal record that includes several robbery charges. While in prison, he faked an illness to go to the hospital, where he overpowered a guard and escaped. During the resulting crime spree, he killed a bartender, Melvin Otterstrom. On his way into a court hearing for the murder, he was slipped a gun (by a girlfriend, I believe) and started shooing Law Enforcement. He shot and killed attorney Michael Burdell. He then shot Baliff Nick Nirk and seriously wounded him. He was shot in the shoulder and then recaptured quickly. For this, he reached the death sentence.
Of course, this was not the end of Ronnie Lee Gardner. In October 1987, he and another inmate held two femaile visitors â??hostageâ?? for about two hours so they could have sex."
http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/utahs-death-row/[/quote]
Don’t forget Push the murder charge he was being transported to court for was from a previous escape attempt and associated crime spree.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Boy would I love to see this!
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Nobody should ever want to see someone else get shot to death.[/quote]
I am for capital punishment. I am for swift capital punishment. I am for swift and public capital punishment where everyone including children can see the consequences of capital crimes. I am for capital punishment even if the rare mistake is made because the only other alternative in a human system is no capital punishment.
Having said every bit of that I would never revel in or celebrate the putting to death of another human being.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Boy would I love to see this!
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Nobody should ever want to see someone else get shot to death.[/quote]
I am for capital punishment. I am for swift capital punishment. I am for swift and public capital punishment where everyone including children can see the consequences of capital crimes. I am for capital punishment even if the rare mistake is made because the only other alternative in a human system is no capital punishment.[/quote]
I completely agree.
I completely disagree.
I would guess that the firing squad is more humane than the electric chair. I’ve heard the chair tends to malfunction gruesomely.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I am for swift and public capital punishment where everyone including children can see the consequences of capital crimes. I am for capital punishment even if the rare mistake is made because the only other alternative in a human system is no capital punishment.
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OK kids. It’s time for the Friday night executions. Gather round. Stop giggling this is serious stuff. Cletus take that oversived pointing finger off your hand we aren’t here to revel in this. I want you to understand the consequences of committing capital crimes - just in case you were thinking of murdering someone with those handguns you got for your 8th birthday.
But Pa, wasn’t the guy that was executed last week for the crime he committed 10 days ago actually innocent?
Small price to pay son - collateral damage. God bless America. Pass the popcorn. I said stop giggling!
Can we watch Malcolm in the Middle?
Come on Push you are being rather silly. My ridiculous fake scenario I posted was not in reference to this specific case but rather to Trib’s specific comments that I quoted in the post.
i.e public executions accessible to children
acceptance of erroneous executions as a sad but allowable/inevitable event
I am not suggesting this murderer did not shoot Mr. Burdell. Therefore fortunately for me I do not need to sacrifice myself to your God of JUSTICE. Although if I did have to go to SLC again killing myself would probably be an option I look into.
Really does every jokey silly little post on PWI need to come with a legal disclaimer? I think it was pretty clear it was toungue in cheek and I don’t really see how the silly scene I painted could be mistaken for me attesting to the innocence of this scumbag.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Boy would I love to see this!
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Nobody should ever want to see someone else get shot to death.[/quote]
And Nobody should ever tell anybody what to do.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
BTW, which innocent person who has been executed were you referring to?[/quote]
I was not referring to an actual innocent person who has been executed. And just in case you need any further clarification: I did not watch a public execution broadcast on TV. I did not encourage my children to waatch it. I do not have a son called Cletus. The son called Cletus that I do not have does not have an oversized pointing finger glove. I do not have any sons. The sons I do not have did not get handguns from me for their 8th birthdays.
However it is true that the sons I do not have did want to watch Malcolm in the Middle.
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Thanks for the tip. Now can we all please get back to the topic at hand:
Malcolm in the Middle.
I saw this story on the news, there was a piece about how there are 5 shooters, with 1 of the rifles carrying blanks. This is done so none of the shooters know for sure if their bullet killed the guy, to avoid a guilty feeling.