The only advantage I see w/ squatting (which in reality is not an advantage at all) is that once you reach the compressed position you have no choice but to push it back up as opposed to DL’ing where you con & subconsciously know all you have to do is drop the bar. This signal makes squatting in theory better.
I’ve just seen alot of squat related lifetime injuries where w/ the DL I haven’t all all. In fact, the only injury I’ve seen or heard of w/ DL’ing is “ripping” the bar up or snatching the bar off the floor w/ enough momentum to cause a lumbar disc area strain. If the supposed person is indeed injured performing a DL in this way they basically deserved to get injured IMO. You should s-q-u-e-e-z-e the bar off the floor to knee height…then use a little “english” to complete the lift.
I’ve seen a lot of people saying squats are excellent for increasing verticals and other jumps. which makes sense.
I found deadlifts were excellent in dropping my 100m time though, and putting on a lot of overall mass, so I guess you should train with both.
I guess they both have their place in building explosiveness.
[quote]treco wrote:
For total real world functional strength: get a 35" TV with picture tube and throw out all of your weights.
It weighs about 150#, is about as wide as you can reach to grip, and the weight is about 2 feet out in front of you.
It is cumbersome to pick up (total ass to grass), will pull you over if you don’t lean back, and you will exercise your core going through doors as you balance on your knees to find a more narrow grip.
Finally it will tax the posterior chain as you try to position it into a stand without scratching the cabinet or dropping the set.[/quote]
I don’t think so.
For real world functional strength, curl dollar bills up and down 10 times. Do remote control reach and pulls. Practice squeezing your hand in to your pocket then pulling out the money to tip the moving people, and do leg off the floor to the table raises.
It’s a shame the op thinks one exercise is better because he got injured from doing the same exercise for 12+ years, versus not taking care of himself.
Let’s be honest sometimes we get so focused on our goals of lifting weight that we dont’ assess our body and what REALLY needs to be worked on until it’s too late. Squatting for 3 months may just be the best exercise for you right now, but squatting for 4 months may not be. If your in competition I can understand, but when it comes to just making ourselves stronger overall we need to learn when to switch up and when not to.
Most injuries from the squat and deadlift, are lower back injuries which are caused form the front of the core, and muscles deeper within the front of the core (TVA) being too weak. These muscles are you natural weightlifting belt, pavel tstatsoline wrote a good article on the subject called ‘back strong and beltless’
The serratus crunch is one excellent exercise in training stability strength in the core, but its more a case of conciously squeezing the midsection when doing deads and squats and staying as upright as possible, taking the lower back out of the movement.
my 0.02$
Its like ‘guns dont kill people, stupid retards with guns kill people.’
Deadlifts dont injure people, people who cant deadlift properly injure themselves. (no disrespect to anyone injured by doing deadlifts, but you had to have been doing something wrong, its not the exercise, its the person doing the exercise wrong)
I think all w/ agree that the DL is something almost anyone can do w/ (0) instruction and the squat is definitely an acquired skill. So much that Special Olympics don’t include squats in its PL’ing event.
I think its interesting that there is basically no (cept straps) support equip. that will increase a lifter’s DL. I also find it interesting that despite all the advancements in lifting that the DL WR has not risen that much over the past 30 years as opposed to assisted squatting & benching which have literally doubled the WR since the late '60s. Something to think about.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
I think all w/ agree that the DL is something almost anyone can do w/ (0) instruction and the squat is definitely an acquired skill.
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Uh, not so much. Go into any commercial gym and on the rare occasion that someone is squatting OR deadlifting, they’re doing it poorly. The squat guys are doing retarded good mornings on their toes while the deadlifters look like the hunchback of Notre Dame.
If you don’t want excess spinal loading doing squats, then do step-ups onto a box. It is easier than a one leg squat, balance wise and pretty much will target your quads.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
FortDodge wrote:
I think all w/ agree that the DL is something almost anyone can do w/ (0) instruction and the squat is definitely an acquired skill.
Uh, not so much. Go into any commercial gym and on the rare occasion that someone is squatting OR deadlifting, they’re doing it poorly. The squat guys are doing retarded good mornings on their toes while the deadlifters look like the hunchback of Notre Dame.
[quote]treco wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
FortDodge wrote:
I think all w/ agree that the DL is something almost anyone can do w/ (0) instruction and the squat is definitely an acquired skill.
Uh, not so much. Go into any commercial gym and on the rare occasion that someone is squatting OR deadlifting, they’re doing it poorly. The squat guys are doing retarded good mornings on their toes while the deadlifters look like the hunchback of Notre Dame.
Both lifts require instruction.
Do you think that is partly from inflexibility?[/quote]
No stupidity.For some reason people get outrageously stupid when they go to the gym.
An exercise(such as the deadlift) doesn’t have to be done with competition style form to be productive, but still people will do things that seem obviously counterintuitive.
Its most likely do to ego, and trying to pull more then they can with good form. If you take someone and make them squat with just the bar, they will most likely do a partial rom or lean forward, or miss up the form in some other way. If you have the same person pull just the bar, they’re much more likely to get the form right.
Modern kinesiologists and exercise physiologists beg to differ and I’m fairly certain they’re a bit more knowledgeable than you in that area. Your statement is quite the contrary actually- regardless of what anyone has said, it has yet to be proven that it is unhealthy to squat to or below parallel with proper form.
Just because your knees hurt or you’re not capable of squatting properly doesn’t mean they’re bad for everyone else.
[quote]dfreezy wrote:
FortDodge wrote: Regardless of what anyone says its not normal nor chiropractically healthy to squat to or below parallel w/ a heavy weight on your shoulders.
Modern kinesiologists and exercise physiologists beg to differ and I’m fairly certain they’re a bit more knowledgeable than you in that area. Your statement is quite the contrary actually- regardless of what anyone has said, it has yet to be proven that it is unhealthy to squat to or below parallel with proper form.
Just because your knees hurt or you’re not capable of squatting properly doesn’t mean they’re bad for everyone else.[/quote]
Are you sure?
Just because they think you should be able to squat down to rock bottom doesn’t mean they think you should be going that low with, double body weight+ on your back all the time.
Hey, I’m new here, but I am in agreement with the fact that determining the usefulness of an exercise by the “ancient man routine” theory is not completely legit. I don’t think the deadlift or squat are made to imitate the exact movement in your life. Isn’t the purpose of the deadlift and squat to strengthen the muscles that would make them “functional,” say, to an athlete who wants to run faster or jump higher? It’s not that deadlifts are superior to squat or the other way around (because I find both to be useful), but they both strengthen the muscles you use to make them “functional” in daily life. An exercise that imitates the movement you want to practice doesn’t necessarily make you stronger to perform that particular task; if that were the case, long jumpers would only need to quarter squat since they don’t deep squat when they takeoff, right? But science tells us otherwise.
If you don’t want excess spinal loading doing squats, then do step-ups onto a box. It is easier than a one leg squat, balance wise and pretty much will target your quads.
[quote]FortDodge wrote:
The only advantage I see w/ squatting (which in reality is not an advantage at all) is that once you reach the compressed position you have no choice but to push it back up as opposed to DL’ing where you con & subconsciously know all you have to do is drop the bar. This signal makes squatting in theory better.
I’ve just seen alot of squat related lifetime injuries where w/ the DL I haven’t all all. In fact, the only injury I’ve seen or heard of w/ DL’ing is “ripping” the bar up or snatching the bar off the floor w/ enough momentum to cause a lumbar disc area strain.
If the supposed person is indeed injured performing a DL in this way they basically deserved to get injured IMO. You should s-q-u-e-e-z-e the bar off the floor to knee height…then use a little “english” to complete the lift.[/quote]
So ignorant. Please tell me how this lifter “deserved” to get hurt
I thought ‘Back Strong And Beltless’ was Paul Chek? His name is like voodoo in these here parts.
I would agree that the deadlift is a great lift with regards to seeing who is the brute force “strongest” for geared lifters as it is the lift least aided by gear (but how many people are geared lifters? Not me), but the squat has more carry-over to the deadlift than vice versa.
I suck pretty bad at both. But I like to “try” and do both.
