[quote]CPerfringens wrote:
I pulled the first time 400(kg) at 4 at 50 lbs. I believe all your need is an efficient CNS.
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haha, i like your style…see how much confrontation you can cause with these whining bitches
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
OBoile wrote:
LSUPOWERDC wrote:
people need to understand that depending on how a person is built, technique, equipment used, individual weaknesses…etc, these can be very different lifts
if you want help with them, please post vids or links to vids so we may comment on form or other pertinent information
i know many lifters who have great squats and shitty pulls, and vice versa
many posters on here seem to have amazing deadlifts and crap squats…probably because the form on squat is shit, or the deadlift is hitched and they are using lifting straps or some other external variable is affecting them
not passing judgment, but from the viewpoint of someone who coaches and wants to help as many lifters as i can, please start posting vids or links so that those like me on here can help you
Thank you
The deadlift will almost always be higher than the squat if the lifter is going to proper depth and not using a squat suit.
the “almost” part is what renders this generalization useless for those of us like myself and another member of my gym who can both squat well over what we can deadlift.[/quote]
Interesting, you don’t see that very often.
short arms? Stubby fingers?
Or perhaps one of the reasons listed here:
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#I_squat_way_more_than_I_deadlift.2C_what_gives.3F
I’m just messing with you (and it gave me a chance to post a funny q and a answer). It is odd though for someone to squat more than they deadlift. Particularly beginners, which I believe was the intended audience of the original post, where grip isn’t limiting the deadlift like it does for some advanced lifters.
I think some have missed the point of the post i originally made. I don’t care what you squat or pull or how old you are or when you did it or anything else. I was just asking that people post vids of their lifts if they want help.
It is my experience that many people believe their form is always perfect and they have no weak points and they know everything, but still can’t get a squat close to their pull, or vice versa (in another thread someone asked how to get a bigger pull and every idea that was thrown at them was answered with…“well, i already do that,” or “well my form is perfect and i don’t have any visible weak points.”)
If you tell me you can pull 500 but can’t break a 225 squat barrier, then your form is probably not perfect and you don’t know all you need to know. Or there is an injury or something else anatomical that you arent telling us.
If you can’t post vids on here, find someone who knows more than you, or who you can tell what they should be looking for, to watch your lifts.
So…once again this post was done as an attempt to help others, and the best way to help a lifter is to actually see what they are doing.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
OBoile wrote:
LSUPOWERDC wrote:
people need to understand that depending on how a person is built, technique, equipment used, individual weaknesses…etc, these can be very different lifts
if you want help with them, please post vids or links to vids so we may comment on form or other pertinent information
i know many lifters who have great squats and shitty pulls, and vice versa
many posters on here seem to have amazing deadlifts and crap squats…probably because the form on squat is shit, or the deadlift is hitched and they are using lifting straps or some other external variable is affecting them
not passing judgment, but from the viewpoint of someone who coaches and wants to help as many lifters as i can, please start posting vids or links so that those like me on here can help you
Thank you
The deadlift will almost always be higher than the squat if the lifter is going to proper depth and not using a squat suit.
the “almost” part is what renders this generalization useless for those of us like myself and another member of my gym who can both squat well over what we can deadlift.
Interesting, you don’t see that very often.
short arms? Stubby fingers?
Or perhaps one of the reasons listed here:
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#I_squat_way_more_than_I_deadlift.2C_what_gives.3F
I’m just messing with you (and it gave me a chance to post a funny q and a answer). It is odd though for someone to squat more than they deadlift. Particularly beginners, which I believe was the intended audience of the original post, where grip isn’t limiting the deadlift like it does for some advanced lifters.
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haha, that is funny. For myself I’d say that I’m probably biomechanically inclined to be a better squatter than deadlifter (longer torso, shorter legs. Arms arent short, per se, but compared to my torso they are) but I am working to do the best I can. Deadlifting has never come naturally to me (I was going to say “easily” but I dont suppose it comes easy to anyone.) Specifically I am still not 100% comfortable with my form, I’m changing it pretty radically for a couple of reasons, and I have a different sticking point almost every time I lift - off the floor, just above my knees, getting my hips thru, whatever.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
OBoile wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
OBoile wrote:
LSUPOWERDC wrote:
people need to understand that depending on how a person is built, technique, equipment used, individual weaknesses…etc, these can be very different lifts
if you want help with them, please post vids or links to vids so we may comment on form or other pertinent information
i know many lifters who have great squats and shitty pulls, and vice versa
many posters on here seem to have amazing deadlifts and crap squats…probably because the form on squat is shit, or the deadlift is hitched and they are using lifting straps or some other external variable is affecting them
not passing judgment, but from the viewpoint of someone who coaches and wants to help as many lifters as i can, please start posting vids or links so that those like me on here can help you
Thank you
The deadlift will almost always be higher than the squat if the lifter is going to proper depth and not using a squat suit.
the “almost” part is what renders this generalization useless for those of us like myself and another member of my gym who can both squat well over what we can deadlift.
Interesting, you don’t see that very often.
short arms? Stubby fingers?
Or perhaps one of the reasons listed here:
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#I_squat_way_more_than_I_deadlift.2C_what_gives.3F
I’m just messing with you (and it gave me a chance to post a funny q and a answer). It is odd though for someone to squat more than they deadlift. Particularly beginners, which I believe was the intended audience of the original post, where grip isn’t limiting the deadlift like it does for some advanced lifters.
haha, that is funny. For myself I’d say that I’m probably biomechanically inclined to be a better squatter than deadlifter (longer torso, shorter legs. Arms arent short, per se, but compared to my torso they are) but I am working to do the best I can. Deadlifting has never come naturally to me (I was going to say “easily” but I dont suppose it comes easy to anyone.) Specifically I am still not 100% comfortable with my form, I’m changing it pretty radically for a couple of reasons, and I have a different sticking point almost every time I lift - off the floor, just above my knees, getting my hips thru, whatever.[/quote]
hah I’m the exact opposite. Midget torso, averageish legs and long arms. My body can recover from a DL/back session in like 3 days, but it’s more like 4-5 for a squat/leg session
My pull is about 100 pounds more then my squat.
I’ll post some vids. I think my squat technique is good. And actually getting to the point where I can call it great. I squat below parallel.
I squat good because of the book Starting Strength. Real good.
Deadlift on the other hand, I’m absolutely horrible. I extend way too early, round back, my but is so high before I even get the weight goin…But yes vids very soon!
LSUPOWER,
Would you agree that there is a more significant mental barrier with the squat because of the fear of being crushed?
What do you think about ab/torso work for the squat? I don’t seem to notice any effect on my pull, but I definitely have to keep my torso strong to squat.
[quote]tjharris wrote:
CPerfringens wrote:
I pulled the first time 400(kg) at 4 at 50 lbs. I believe all your need is an efficient CNS.
haha, i like your style…see how much confrontation you can cause with these whining bitches[/quote]
It’s true, all you need is good leverage. I had short trunk and short legs then, it all adds up for a decent pull.
[quote]conorh wrote:
LSUPOWER,
Would you agree that there is a more significant mental barrier with the squat because of the fear of being crushed?
What do you think about ab/torso work for the squat? I don’t seem to notice any effect on my pull, but I definitely have to keep my torso strong to squat.
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As for the mental barrier,…it varies from person to person, but i would agree that the fear of being crushed will affect the lifter. Remember, however, it called a “fight or flight” reflex for a reason. Some will think about being crushed and get it up, where others will crumble, literally.
Look in a lifter’s eyes before the lift and you will see what i mean.
The BEST way to overcome this barrier is to have good spotters and training partners you can trust. My teammates and I, as well as anyone who lifts around us, are never afraid of a weight because we are all very knowledged and seasoned spotters.
Squat ab work:
Overloads: walk out 110-120% and hold in your squat stance for 8-10 seconds
Planks
Roman chair static holds
Sidebends
It will help the squat and pull to focus on some good static ab work, turn the six pack into a keg!!
Be sure to also do some static back work as well…like supermans (lie on stomach with arms and feet out and curl up with the back and hold for 2 seconds for 10-15 reps. Do some scapular retractions and negatives with pullups. Probably the best all around exercises to help abs, and back for all three lifts are moderate to heavy standing barbell rows, and one hand standing dumbell rows.
Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.
I definitely believe the 350-400 thing. I was the weakest guy of my grade in high school, around 80 or 100 guys, and I put up 275 the first time I ever deadlifted. I was around 15 years old. I have no doubt at least 5 of those guys could put up more than 350 on their first try, and two of them had monstrous strength, which I dare not make assumptions as to how much they could pull on their first try.
However I lived in a small town, bent between the rural and urban lifestyles. Some of these guys had been doing manual labour from as early as the age of 8, so they were not exactly untrained.
I can definitely see why some people in bigger cities would not believe that a good number of people could pull more than 300 on their first try. There are many less “trained” people, and I bet the deadlift is the easiest lift to express “real world” strength on.
There are other cool feats of strength that I witnessed at that school. I saw a girl lift the heaviest dumbbell, around 120 pounds, with one hand.
On a challenge, one guy picked up one of those wooden chairs with metal legs, by the end of a leg, with one hand, up to head level. I don’t know how strong that is, but the teacher that challenged him made it pass as physically impossible, and the dude was 14 years old at the time. I like to think of it as the craziest strength feat I’ve personally witnessed.
At a grade higher than mine, 3 guys (2 brothers and a friend) were sitting at around 240 of lean bodyweight. The two brothers’ father had exceptional natural strength. They also have a little brother who is very strong.
That makes a lot of strong people off the top of my head for 2 grades of high school. I bet a lot more people are naturally strong than we give credit for.
Whew, that was a long post for nothing.
bolton claims to have done 500 i think the first time he went to a gym