From the information you have given describing your care for your back, it isn’t surprising that you still have ongoing pain. Did you have any formalized therapy with a physical therapist/athletic trainer/rehab specialist? Or was it just taking some meds, then after a couple months went for some chiro appointments and received some adjustments and that was that?
Not that I am a medical professional, I can shed a little light on the subject…
If you told your doctor how you injured yourself, 100% of the time he is going to say he thinks it is a herniated disc. The reason he didnt have you get xrays or MRI is because theyre unnecessary, all you need is time, probably 12 weeks until you can deadlift again.
You probably trained far too close to your 1RM to get the issues you have now.
Things you need to know: You are now ~10x more likely to injure yourself deadlifting, so just dont do it, unless it is ridiculously light (50%).
How do I know all of this? Because right now I am recovering from a herniated disc that is so bad I cant stand or sit for more than 30 seconds. I wish someone told me ^^^^
All the best
P.S. You should be able to squat sooner than deadlift. Also, look into this stuff called MuscleRub, its crazy awesome
[quote]LevelHeaded wrote:
From the information you have given describing your care for your back, it isn’t surprising that you still have ongoing pain. Did you have any formalized therapy with a physical therapist/athletic trainer/rehab specialist? Or was it just taking some meds, then after a couple months went for some chiro appointments and received some adjustments and that was that?[/quote]
Yea pretty much. But I’m just saying I hear people say they heal by their self and this and that. People dead-lifting like a month or two after the injury. That has definitely not been my experience at 9 months now.
Look up an Active Release qualified therapist and go have a session, did wonders for me and sped up my recovery like no other. Couldn’t hurt either.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Not that I am a medical professional, I can shed a little light on the subject…
If you told your doctor how you injured yourself, 100% of the time he is going to say he thinks it is a herniated disc. The reason he didnt have you get xrays or MRI is because theyre unnecessary, all you need is time, probably 12 weeks until you can deadlift again.
You probably trained far too close to your 1RM to get the issues you have now.
Things you need to know: You are now ~10x more likely to injure yourself deadlifting, so just dont do it, unless it is ridiculously light (50%).
How do I know all of this? Because right now I am recovering from a herniated disc that is so bad I cant stand or sit for more than 30 seconds. I wish someone told me ^^^^
All the best
P.S. You should be able to squat sooner than deadlift. Also, look into this stuff called MuscleRub, its crazy awesome[/quote]
It’s not about training close to your max. It’s about spinal compression plus flexion. I don’t disagree with you that your re-injury risk increases, but at the same time, just because you have severe problems doesn’t mean other people will have anything close. So many people have herniated discs that are asymptomatic. Herniated discs never heal either. The key is getting asymptomatic before resuming the heavy lifting. Perfect form and avoiding flexion is also a must. Trap bar deadlifting is typically more spine friendly as well.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Not that I am a medical professional, I can shed a little light on the subject…
If you told your doctor how you injured yourself, 100% of the time he is going to say he thinks it is a herniated disc. The reason he didnt have you get xrays or MRI is because theyre unnecessary, all you need is time, probably 12 weeks until you can deadlift again.
You probably trained far too close to your 1RM to get the issues you have now.
Things you need to know: You are now ~10x more likely to injure yourself deadlifting, so just dont do it, unless it is ridiculously light (50%).
How do I know all of this? Because right now I am recovering from a herniated disc that is so bad I cant stand or sit for more than 30 seconds. I wish someone told me ^^^^
All the best
P.S. You should be able to squat sooner than deadlift. Also, look into this stuff called MuscleRub, its crazy awesome[/quote]
Well also, how old are you? Wouldn’t it be different if someone younger, say 20, had this versus someone in their 30s? I would assume the 20 year old would recover completely… if not I’m boned
[quote]Deadsion wrote:
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Not that I am a medical professional, I can shed a little light on the subject…
If you told your doctor how you injured yourself, 100% of the time he is going to say he thinks it is a herniated disc. The reason he didnt have you get xrays or MRI is because theyre unnecessary, all you need is time, probably 12 weeks until you can deadlift again.
You probably trained far too close to your 1RM to get the issues you have now.
Things you need to know: You are now ~10x more likely to injure yourself deadlifting, so just dont do it, unless it is ridiculously light (50%).
How do I know all of this? Because right now I am recovering from a herniated disc that is so bad I cant stand or sit for more than 30 seconds. I wish someone told me ^^^^
All the best
P.S. You should be able to squat sooner than deadlift. Also, look into this stuff called MuscleRub, its crazy awesome[/quote]
Well also, how old are you? Wouldn’t it be different if someone younger, say 20, had this versus someone in their 30s? I would assume the 20 year old would recover completely… if not I’m boned[/quote]
I’m 21, and no, you’re missing my point. I was in the position that you are in now, around 3 weeks ago… then i fucked up…big time. Dont do what I did, I continued to go heavy and it came back as soon as I pulled around 90% (425). I immediately fell down to the ground, had to call 911 because I couldnt move. So (im not kidding) dont deadlift for three months and replace the movement with more squats. You’ll thank me.
P.S. When I say ‘dont deadlift’ I mean, not even 1 rep in 3 months.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
[quote]Deadsion wrote:
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Not that I am a medical professional, I can shed a little light on the subject…
If you told your doctor how you injured yourself, 100% of the time he is going to say he thinks it is a herniated disc. The reason he didnt have you get xrays or MRI is because theyre unnecessary, all you need is time, probably 12 weeks until you can deadlift again.
You probably trained far too close to your 1RM to get the issues you have now.
Things you need to know: You are now ~10x more likely to injure yourself deadlifting, so just dont do it, unless it is ridiculously light (50%).
How do I know all of this? Because right now I am recovering from a herniated disc that is so bad I cant stand or sit for more than 30 seconds. I wish someone told me ^^^^
All the best
P.S. You should be able to squat sooner than deadlift. Also, look into this stuff called MuscleRub, its crazy awesome[/quote]
Well also, how old are you? Wouldn’t it be different if someone younger, say 20, had this versus someone in their 30s? I would assume the 20 year old would recover completely… if not I’m boned[/quote]
I’m 21, and no, you’re missing my point. I was in the position that you are in now, around 3 weeks ago… then i fucked up…big time. Dont do what I did, I continued to go heavy and it came back as soon as I pulled around 90% (425). I immediately fell down to the ground, had to call 911 because I couldnt move. So (im not kidding) dont deadlift for three months and replace the movement with more squats. You’ll thank me.
P.S. When I say ‘dont deadlift’ I mean, not even 1 rep in 3 months.[/quote]
More squats? I guess I can work on bringing that up instead of deads. Would you say that rack pulls mid thigh would be alright? I mean it has a lot less lower back involvement.
If you have a herniated disc, I cant see how squatting before its fully healed can possibly be a good thing.
A. Get a second opinion. I went a year with a misdiagnosis even after an MRI. Its real easy for them to assume rather then verify.
B. Don’t assume you have super regenerative powers. Dymdez hits it spot on, its better to be out for 3 months then for good.
I went from competing every couple months in jiu jitsu tournaments with a training regiment consisting of plenty deadlifting to playing video games and doing physical therapy. Use this time to do something productive, like bang chicks (not kidding, thats what I set my mind to do when I was out and it worked well).
[quote]Kenshin88 wrote:
If you have a herniated disc, I cant see how squatting before its fully healed can possibly be a good thing. [/quote]
Yep. I’ve always found back squatting to be more problematic too. Front squats are usually OK if I keep the elbows up and don’t force the depth.
On deadlifting form: It’s really easy to get sloppy with form and not realize that you’re doing it. I had a friend video me doing a set and I was pretty horrified at the shape of my back. It takes effort and good coordination to get a deadlift right. So many cues to remember, so little brain power ^^
[quote]Kenshin88 wrote:
If you have a herniated disc, I cant see how squatting before its fully healed can possibly be a good thing. [/quote]
No one is recommending squatting with a herniated disc. The OP most likely has (maybe even not) the slightest tear in one of his discs. Let me be clear, all I said was, stop deadlifting for 12 weeks and replace the movement with squats…asap… which happens to be very good advice.
[quote]Deadsion wrote:
More squats? I guess I can work on bringing that up instead of deads. Would you say that rack pulls mid thigh would be alright? I mean it has a lot less lower back involvement.[/quote]
This is upto you. You are right that rack pulls use less lower back, but this isn’t too reliable. Remember, your leg position matters a lot too, so the unexpected is to be feared. I would recommend avoiding the movement all together.
[quote]moneymike88 wrote:
Dymdez hits it spot on[/quote]
Thats what she said.
[quote]moneymike88 wrote:
Use this time to do something productive, like bang chicks (not kidding, thats what I set my mind to do when I was out and it worked well).[/quote]
Pics or it didnt happen
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
[quote]Kenshin88 wrote:
If you have a herniated disc, I cant see how squatting before its fully healed can possibly be a good thing. [/quote]
No one is recommending squatting with a herniated disc. The OP most likely has (maybe even not) the slightest tear in one of his discs. Let me be clear, all I said was, stop deadlifting for 12 weeks and replace the movement with squats…asap… which happens to be very good advice.
[quote]Deadsion wrote:
More squats? I guess I can work on bringing that up instead of deads. Would you say that rack pulls mid thigh would be alright? I mean it has a lot less lower back involvement.[/quote]
This is upto you. You are right that rack pulls use less lower back, but this isn’t too reliable. Remember, your leg position matters a lot too, so the unexpected is to be feared. I would recommend avoiding the movement all together.
[quote]moneymike88 wrote:
Dymdez hits it spot on[/quote]
Thats what she said.
[quote]moneymike88 wrote:
Use this time to do something productive, like bang chicks (not kidding, thats what I set my mind to do when I was out and it worked well).[/quote]
Pics or it didnt happen
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Ive been caught, I really just spent the time slapping the ham while listening to Lady Gaga. Picture that.
To the OP:
Your situation sounds similar to mine, so I will tell you how I addressed my issue (which as far as I know is not a disc issue). Nearly the exact same thing happened to me when I went too heavy with deads. About 24 hours later I was almost completely immobilized with pain from the low back / upper glute area and basically wanted to just die.
The pain was excruciating, but I learned that you can have that kind of pain from tight or overstressed muscles. As it turns out I have the double whammy of tight glutes as well as tight hamstrings. So imagine pulling from both ends of a string at once (the string being the lower back) and you can see where I’m in trouble.
I just did some self myofascial release work for the glutes with a lacrosse ball along with a few hamstring stretches and the pain began to clear up almost immediately. Granted, I still have issues with it and am very leery to even do deads anymore. But before you convince yourself that it’s a disc issue, try some SMR and hamstring flexibility exercises, coupled with plenty of rest for the area and nsaids if necessary.
[quote]zenmaniac wrote:
To the OP:
Your situation sounds similar to mine, so I will tell you how I addressed my issue (which as far as I know is not a disc issue). Nearly the exact same thing happened to me when I went too heavy with deads. About 24 hours later I was almost completely immobilized with pain from the low back / upper glute area and basically wanted to just die.
The pain was excruciating, but I learned that you can have that kind of pain from tight or overstressed muscles. As it turns out I have the double whammy of tight glutes as well as tight hamstrings. So imagine pulling from both ends of a string at once (the string being the lower back) and you can see where I’m in trouble.
I just did some self myofascial release work for the glutes with a lacrosse ball along with a few hamstring stretches and the pain began to clear up almost immediately. Granted, I still have issues with it and am very leery to even do deads anymore. But before you convince yourself that it’s a disc issue, try some SMR and hamstring flexibility exercises, coupled with plenty of rest for the area and nsaids if necessary.
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I’m beginning to think that the guy I went to is an idiot, mostly cause its a muscle pain now instead of a “hurts near/on the spine” pain. I have been doing some rolling with a golf ball for a while which helps, but a dull pain is still there. I’m just gonna wait it out at this point and hope it heals on its own.