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[quote]
yanksta wrote:

I guess the reason that it is considered to be a brawl is because when you spend all that time working on so many different aspects of fighting, you never master one of them. Its a bunch of fighters who all have above average skills in different areas of fighting but most of them arent exceptional in any one of them. Id rather see two guys who have mastered punching each other then watch two guys who have gotten good at five different styles go at it.
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I think that’s quite a broad statement. I think yes, you do get a lot of guys who are a bit jack of all trades and master of none. But there are also many many Brazilian Jujitsu World Champions, Abu Dhabi no gi grappling champs, Olympic gold medalists in Judo, Olympic medalist wrestlers, national judo champions, national Sambo champions, world class kickboxers and black belts in all kinds of disciplines. The list goes on. These types of guys all feature in the top ten lists too. For example, the heavyweight top ten according to MMA weekly:

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko (Sambo and Judo Black Belt. Official certification of a “Master of Sports” in Sambo and Judo and was part of the Russian national team)

  1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (BJJ black belt)

  2. Mirko Cro Cop (World Class kickboxer having fought at the highest level in K-1 kickboxing)

  3. Josh Barnett (good submission wrestler but not sure his credentials)

  4. Randy Couture (three-time Olympic team alternate and a two-time NCAA finalist)

  5. Gabriel Gonzaga (BJJ world champion)

  6. Tim Sylvia (er…hahaha)

  7. Andrei Arlovski (Sambo Black Belt and world championship silver medalist)

  8. Fabricio Werdum (BJJ world champion)

  9. Aleksander Emelianenko (Sambo black Belt)

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Here’s what’s “stupid,” and maybe people aren’t defining the context of the comparison clearly enough. When Mayweather claims he could whoop the ass of any of the UFC guys (I assume he was referring to his own weight class, not heavyweights or something), he would be right – IF and ONLY IF it were to be a BOXING match, with BOXING rules.

The whole point of mixed martial arts fighting from the beginning was to be, within reason (barring things like eye gouging, biting, groin kicks, etc.) the closest thing to “real world”, “who’s the tougher guy” combat as is reasonably possible in any kind of sanctioned event.

SO, if Mayweather thinks that with him fighting a top UFC or Pride fighter in his own weight class – UNDER UFC or PRIDE RULES – that he’d win, he’s more insane than I ever thought. Yes, he’s a far better boxer, with probably far more accuracy and great hand speed. But if he thinks that a top MMA guy like Liddell wouldn’t be able to withstand a few of his shots long enough to get inside and shoot on him, take him down and quickly beat his ass, then he is clearly on some heavy, mind-altering drugs.

In a BOXING match, under BOXING rules, yes – Mayweather would win. In an MMA match under MMA rules, against a top MMA fighter in his weight class, he would stand NO chance.

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
I just wanted to share a bit of stupidity I hear the other day.

My friend: “Dude, Chuck Liddel could totally take all these boxer guys.”[/quote]

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From my perspective, I agreed that Mayweather won the fight. He fought his usual way and DeLahoya couldn’t overcome that style effectively. But I wonder if DeLahoya didn’t press the fight how boring it would’ve been.

On side note, did anybody notice 50 cent gained some serious size? He’s getting bigger and bigger.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Agressive Napkin wrote:
I just wanted to share a bit of stupidity I hear the other day.

My friend: “Dude, Chuck Liddel could totally take all these boxer guys.”

Chuck Liddel would get his ass kicked. [/quote]

In a boxing match, of course. But not in an mma match, no way.

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[quote]oriensus wrote:
From my perspective, I agreed that Mayweather won the fight. He fought his usual way and DeLahoya couldn’t overcome that style effectively. But I wonder if DeLahoya didn’t press the fight how boring it would’ve been.

On side note, did anybody notice 50 cent gained some serious size? He’s getting bigger and bigger. [/quote]

50 is a scary motherfucker. Like I said, that was the coolest part of the whole damn fight.

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[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
I just wanted to share a bit of stupidity I hear the other day.

My friend: “Dude, Chuck Liddel could totally take all these boxer guys.”[/quote]

I don’t know, I think Chuck could probably knock Floyd out in a boxing match

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[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
vbm537 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
Mayweather won. Split decision.

I personally think Mayweather should have won, but de la hoya got jipped on rounds 4 and 8. Those definitly should have been his.

Up to round 9, IMO de la hoya looked better than Mayweather, but the tables seriously turned from there.

Mayweather had the right idea about waiting til the end so de la hoya got tired and then was able to really pick up the pace on the offensive.

The thing I noticed though was, especially in the beginning of the fight, Mayweather was throwing a lot of punches that looked like they were being landed, but de la hoya did an incredible job of blocking.

Mayweather was afraid to actually fight. All he did was score points but he wouldn’t fight. I give credit to Oscar for not being afraid like Mayweather.

spoken like someone who hasn’t watched mayweather fight before or at the most new to it. The first time I saw him fight I thought the samething. He’s a defensive fighter. I don’t really care too much for his style but hey it works for him. He’s 38-0, 24 by ko.

Oscar tonight went away from what was working which was the jab. Overall the fight went the way it should have. Mayweather landed almost literally twice as many punches as Oscar while at the same time throwing exactly 106 punches less than oscar. Most of Oscar’s punches went to the spot mayweather used to be (meaning he was too quick for oscar) or were blocked. The fight was okay it reminded me why I Love mma so much.
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True, De La Hoya stopped using his jab and tried to “hunt down” Mayweahter. BIG MISTAKE!

I don’t know why De La Hoya stopped shooting his jab, maybe he got a Brain Freeze. Its not the 1st time I see De La Hoya, stop doing what is working in a fight.

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[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:

My friend: “Dude, Chuck Liddel could totally take all these boxer guys.”
[/quote]

Do we care? Until one of these guys actually steps into the Octagon, these debates are pointless.

If Oscar or Mayweather actually did step into the Octagon, it would be the best thing for MMA ever. It would raise awareness of the sport and would make headlines across the globe.

Names like Chuck, Tito, and Couture are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. My old man wouldn’t know Fedor from a bar of soap, yet he could identify 20+ boxers and he doesn’t even like the sport.

I’m interested to know if MMA actually makes the papers in the US because it sure as hell would if a ‘name’ Boxer stepped into the game.

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[quote]adubswils wrote:
yanksta wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
yanksta wrote:

I love all of the individual combat sports, boxing included, but MMA is my favorite because I can see techniques from multiple sports all utilized in the same match.

I guess the reason that it is considered to be a brawl is because when you spend all that time working on so many different aspects of fighting, you never master one of them. Its a bunch of fighters who all have above average skills in different areas of fighting but most of them arent exceptional in any one of them. Id rather see two guys who have mastered punching each other then watch two guys who have gotten good at five different styles go at it.

But thats my opinion and everyone has got their own so it doesn’t really matter.

Why do boxing fans always sound so ignorant?

Do you have any clue what caliber of talent has found its way into MMA? Olympic wrestlers/judoka. Top contenders in kickboxing. etc…

The problem is that you have no concept of combat sports outside of boxing. The reality is that there are a plethora of combat sports with top quality athletes that are now interested in MMA (this is especially true of grappling talent that did not have a popular venue for showcasing grappling skills).

MMA has a different skill set that more closely mimics real fighting. Its its own sweet science. And its flexible ruleset is what makes it exciting.

Floyd can box. But he cant fight. Put him in a ring with a UFC lightweight and he will get taken down and beaten furiously. Sure makes “boxing is a combat sport” ring hollow in my ears.

Oh yeah, I watched the “fight”. Two champions should be at each others throat. These two were happy to essentially jab at each other for the first five rounds. Boring.

How can two guys go at it for a half hour and look like they just got done with a casual run. Not a freaking mark on either of them. They were not even breathing particularly hard.
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whoa whoa whoa let me clarify something right now. I train MMA. I have trained MMA for about a year and a half now. But I have also trained boxing for about 8 years. In my opinion, I think boxing is a MORE exciting sport for me to train in because I only have to focus on that one sport. I can fight talented fighters and get into tactical fights with them. In MMA, I like the fights, but some of the aspects I do not like and I see them as boring. One for instance is jui jitsu. I was a wrestler for a long time and that was exciting for me. I found jui jitsu to be alot of stalling with not that much action. The jui jitsu side of MMA is what keeps me from finding it as exciting as boxing for me personally.

However, I can completely understand why somebody would have a completely opposite opinion of mine. The fact that you can use so many different techniques in MMA is a very fun part of it.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:

yanksta wrote:

I guess the reason that it is considered to be a brawl is because when you spend all that time working on so many different aspects of fighting, you never master one of them. Its a bunch of fighters who all have above average skills in different areas of fighting but most of them arent exceptional in any one of them. Id rather see two guys who have mastered punching each other then watch two guys who have gotten good at five different styles go at it.
.

I think that’s quite a broad statement. I think yes, you do get a lot of guys who are a bit jack of all trades and master of none. But there are also many many Brazilian Jujitsu World Champions, Abu Dhabi no gi grappling champs, Olympic gold medalists in Judo, Olympic medalist wrestlers, national judo champions, national Sambo champions, world class kickboxers and black belts in all kinds of disciplines. The list goes on. These types of guys all feature in the top ten lists too. For example, the heavyweight top ten according to MMA weekly:

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko (Sambo and Judo Black Belt. Official certification of a “Master of Sports” in Sambo and Judo and was part of the Russian national team)

  1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (BJJ black belt)

  2. Mirko Cro Cop (World Class kickboxer having fought at the highest level in K-1 kickboxing)

  3. Josh Barnett (good submission wrestler but not sure his credentials)

  4. Randy Couture (three-time Olympic team alternate and a two-time NCAA finalist)

  5. Gabriel Gonzaga (BJJ world champion)

  6. Tim Sylvia (er…hahaha)

  7. Andrei Arlovski (Sambo Black Belt and world championship silver medalist)

  8. Fabricio Werdum (BJJ world champion)

  9. Aleksander Emelianenko (Sambo black Belt)

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Thanks for posting those… thats pretty interesting to see now. My only problem with that is I wish I could see their world class techniques more during the fights. Its easy to see cro cop kickbox but some of the guys who are dominant in jui jitsu dont use it as much and spend to much time trying to duke it out standing up in my opinion. I guess thats the only problem I really have with the MMA fights.

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[quote]yanksta wrote:

whoa whoa whoa let me clarify something right now. I train MMA. I have trained MMA for about a year and a half now. But I have also trained boxing for about 8 years. In my opinion, I think boxing is a MORE exciting sport for me to train in because I only have to focus on that one sport. I can fight talented fighters and get into tactical fights with them. In MMA, I like the fights, but some of the aspects I do not like and I see them as boring. One for instance is jui jitsu. I was a wrestler for a long time and that was exciting for me. I found jui jitsu to be alot of stalling with not that much action. The jui jitsu side of MMA is what keeps me from finding it as exciting as boxing for me personally.

However, I can completely understand why somebody would have a completely opposite opinion of mine. The fact that you can use so many different techniques in MMA is a very fun part of it.

[/quote]

You are making a completely different point in this post. If you prefer boxing. Fine.

But dont disparage the skills of top level MMA competitors.

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[quote]yanksta wrote:
AdamC wrote:

yanksta wrote:

I guess the reason that it is considered to be a brawl is because when you spend all that time working on so many different aspects of fighting, you never master one of them. Its a bunch of fighters who all have above average skills in different areas of fighting but most of them arent exceptional in any one of them. Id rather see two guys who have mastered punching each other then watch two guys who have gotten good at five different styles go at it.
.

I think that’s quite a broad statement. I think yes, you do get a lot of guys who are a bit jack of all trades and master of none. But there are also many many Brazilian Jujitsu World Champions, Abu Dhabi no gi grappling champs, Olympic gold medalists in Judo, Olympic medalist wrestlers, national judo champions, national Sambo champions, world class kickboxers and black belts in all kinds of disciplines. The list goes on. These types of guys all feature in the top ten lists too. For example, the heavyweight top ten according to MMA weekly:

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko (Sambo and Judo Black Belt. Official certification of a “Master of Sports” in Sambo and Judo and was part of the Russian national team)

  1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (BJJ black belt)

  2. Mirko Cro Cop (World Class kickboxer having fought at the highest level in K-1 kickboxing)

  3. Josh Barnett (good submission wrestler but not sure his credentials)

  4. Randy Couture (three-time Olympic team alternate and a two-time NCAA finalist)

  5. Gabriel Gonzaga (BJJ world champion)

  6. Tim Sylvia (er…hahaha)

  7. Andrei Arlovski (Sambo Black Belt and world championship silver medalist)

  8. Fabricio Werdum (BJJ world champion)

  9. Aleksander Emelianenko (Sambo black Belt)

Thanks for posting those… thats pretty interesting to see now. My only problem with that is I wish I could see their world class techniques more during the fights. Its easy to see cro cop kickbox but some of the guys who are dominant in jui jitsu dont use it as much and spend to much time trying to duke it out standing up in my opinion. I guess thats the only problem I really have with the MMA fights.[/quote]

Do you actually watch MMA?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Personally I’d rather watch Mike tyson and floyd mayweather sit in the ring and talk shit to each other.
[/quote]

This, I would love to see. That would be a good show.

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[quote]yanksta wrote:
My only problem with that is I wish I could see their world class techniques more during the fights. Its easy to see cro cop kickbox but some of the guys who are dominant in jui jitsu dont use it as much and spend to much time trying to duke it out standing up in my opinion. [/quote]

Often times, that is because they lack skills in another area. A guy like Pe De Pano (Marcio Cruz) is a good example. His BJJ is among the best in the world, but he has not been terribly successful in MMA because his other skills are below par. He gets tooled from the outside by better strikers, and his wrestling is not good enough to get anyone with a decent sprawl to the ground. Hence, PDP ends up in a lot of ugly ‘Ultimate Boxing’ matches.

That is the beauty of MMA. A guy can be a complete stud in one discipline (BJJ in PDP’s case, boxing in Mayweather’s case), yet still get his butt kicked by guys with better skills in a different area. In order to achieve success, a fighter must be able to adapt his skills to a more free-form environment. The guys who can’t make that adjustment end up getting squashed, no matter how good they were in their primary sport.

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[quote]adubswils wrote:
yanksta wrote:

whoa whoa whoa let me clarify something right now. I train MMA. I have trained MMA for about a year and a half now. But I have also trained boxing for about 8 years. In my opinion, I think boxing is a MORE exciting sport for me to train in because I only have to focus on that one sport. I can fight talented fighters and get into tactical fights with them. In MMA, I like the fights, but some of the aspects I do not like and I see them as boring. One for instance is jui jitsu. I was a wrestler for a long time and that was exciting for me. I found jui jitsu to be alot of stalling with not that much action. The jui jitsu side of MMA is what keeps me from finding it as exciting as boxing for me personally.

However, I can completely understand why somebody would have a completely opposite opinion of mine. The fact that you can use so many different techniques in MMA is a very fun part of it.

You are making a completely different point in this post. If you prefer boxing. Fine.

But dont disparage the skills of top level MMA competitors.
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How so, I said already that i completely respected the fighters in mma. That’s because I train in it. All I said was I found the jui jitsu side of it both boring to watch and do. I’m not trying to take away from what the mma fighters can do. I train boxing and mma. I like boxing more. As you said…fine.

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[quote]adubswils wrote:
yanksta wrote:
AdamC wrote:

yanksta wrote:

I guess the reason that it is considered to be a brawl is because when you spend all that time working on so many different aspects of fighting, you never master one of them. Its a bunch of fighters who all have above average skills in different areas of fighting but most of them arent exceptional in any one of them. Id rather see two guys who have mastered punching each other then watch two guys who have gotten good at five different styles go at it.
.

I think that’s quite a broad statement. I think yes, you do get a lot of guys who are a bit jack of all trades and master of none. But there are also many many Brazilian Jujitsu World Champions, Abu Dhabi no gi grappling champs, Olympic gold medalists in Judo, Olympic medalist wrestlers, national judo champions, national Sambo champions, world class kickboxers and black belts in all kinds of disciplines. The list goes on. These types of guys all feature in the top ten lists too. For example, the heavyweight top ten according to MMA weekly:

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko (Sambo and Judo Black Belt. Official certification of a “Master of Sports” in Sambo and Judo and was part of the Russian national team)

  1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (BJJ black belt)

  2. Mirko Cro Cop (World Class kickboxer having fought at the highest level in K-1 kickboxing)

  3. Josh Barnett (good submission wrestler but not sure his credentials)

  4. Randy Couture (three-time Olympic team alternate and a two-time NCAA finalist)

  5. Gabriel Gonzaga (BJJ world champion)

  6. Tim Sylvia (er…hahaha)

  7. Andrei Arlovski (Sambo Black Belt and world championship silver medalist)

  8. Fabricio Werdum (BJJ world champion)

  9. Aleksander Emelianenko (Sambo black Belt)

Thanks for posting those… thats pretty interesting to see now. My only problem with that is I wish I could see their world class techniques more during the fights.

Its easy to see cro cop kickbox but some of the guys who are dominant in jui jitsu dont use it as much and spend to much time trying to duke it out standing up in my opinion. I guess thats the only problem I really have with the MMA fights.

Do you actually watch MMA?[/quote]

Alright take the gonzaga cro cop fight. I want to see some cro cop kickboxing. What I see is cro cop get taken down to the ground and stall.

Its like if mayweather got into mma. We would all want to see him stand up and box the other guy. But then the other sneaks in and gets the takedown. Shit you know mayweather is screwed, and now you cant see what a world class boxer would do with their talents in the ufc cage. Id be pissed off to say the least.

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[quote]yanksta wrote:

Alright take the gonzaga cro cop fight. I want to see some cro cop kickboxing. What I see is cro cop get taken down to the ground and stall. [/quote]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t that ‘ground & stall’ artist beat Cro Cop at his own game?

[quote]yanksta wrote:

Its like if mayweather got into mma. We would all want to see him stand up and box the other guy. But then the other sneaks in and gets the takedown. Shit you know mayweather is screwed, and now you cant see what a world class boxer would do with their talents in the ufc cage. Id be pissed off to say the least.[/quote]

I wouldn’t be pissed. I’d say Mayweather needs to learn some wrestling skills. I’d love to see a guy like Shaolin Riberio take him down to the ground and tie him into knots.

Everyone wants to see Chuck Liddell knock fools out too, and he delivers because his wrestling skills are top-notch and no one can take him down and keep him down. If Mayweather could develop that skillset, he would be a beast in MMA. Problem is, Chuck took a lifetime to learn those sprawl & scrambling skills. You can’t learn a ‘world class’ sprawl in a few months time.

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[quote]yanksta wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
yanksta wrote:
But this fight reminded me of why I like boxing a hundred times more than ufc.

It had the opposite effect for me. I love any kind of combat sport where both fighters come looking to scrap. PBF had a winning gameplan and executed it to perfection, but but he wasn’t interested in fighting. He wasn’t interested in finishing the fight. He was perfectly content to coast his way to a judges decision. That’s not a combat mentality … that’s a figure skating mentality.

This fight reminded me of the Arlovski-Werdum fight at UFC 70, where the winning fighter was perfectly content to score points and let the judges decide things rather than looking to finish the fight. IMO, MMA’s biggest advantage over boxing is that very few fighters are content to let the decision go to the judges. MMA fighters are obsessed with finishing fights.

How many HUGE boxing matches have you seen recently that ended in anything other than a judges decision? It seems none of the elite level guys are ever willing to throw caution to the wind and go for the stoppage when they are facing off against an evenly matched opponent. And that sucks IMO.

Look at it this way, big boxing matches happen much less often than the “big” UFC matches. Boxing sells the fights that are actually BIG, while UFC calls any fight they can the next huge fight. UFC has more knockouts naturally because of the gear that they wear. A lot less protection there compared to boxing.

If boxers wore those gloves, you would see alot more knockouts to. But thats not boxing, boxing isn’t a street fight, its a tactical war. UFC fighters will never understand what it means to be tactical because they fight three to five round fights and take huge beatings exponentially faster than in boxing.

Boxing is its own sport. UFC is its own sport to. I respect UFC fighters immensely but I think that boxing is an art and ufc is a brawl.

Boxing fans dont always watch fights just to see a knockout. I love watching Pacquiao or Hatton get in the ring regardless if they knock the other guy out or not. You have to appreciate the strategy that goes along with the sport.

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I agree with the first part about big MMA fights happening way more often than big boxing matches.

This was the biggest match arguably in a decade. Honestly, I don’t see any more big fights for a long time from boxing. But thats ok, usually the smaller matches, produce some of the best fights.

That is why boxing sucks so bad. The promoters have totally ruined the sport and nobody actually has to fight anybody thats a legimate contender because there are so many boxing organizations.

I’ve been waiting for this fight for 6 months straight with an erection and I can honestly say it was a let down. I was at the fight ringside and even being there, it didn’t live up to the hype. I’ve watched better fights on HBO for free.

I wish boxing did have lighter padded gloves. In actuality it would be safer, people would get knocked out more often and quicker and boxers wouldn’t sustain as many blows.

Look at MMA, they’ve never had any serious injuries to name of, but boxing has had several boxers die or get severely injured from taking all of the repetitive blows to the head.

I’m sorry, but I don’t watch boxing for strategy. If you want strategy, watch a chess match. I like seeing knockouts and great fights-Gatti/Ward, Corrales/Castillo 1&2, Ali, etc. Look at all the great boxing fights in history, the were scrapping their asses off. They weren’t dancing around all night.

While I can appreciate Floyd’s highly defensive style and his impeccable record, let’s be honest most of his fights are rather boring. He’s such a good defensive fighter, he’s content to just slip punches, counter and jab all night.

I am a huge huge boxing fan but I an more excited about the Rampage Lidell rematch upcoming in a few weeks. Why? It has the potential to be a great fight, or at least entertaining.

Regardless if its boxing or UFC I want to see some scrapping.

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[quote]Damici wrote:
Here’s what’s “stupid,” and maybe people aren’t defining the context of the comparison clearly enough. When Mayweather claims he could whoop the ass of any of the UFC guys (I assume he was referring to his own weight class, not heavyweights or something), he would be right – IF and ONLY IF it were to be a BOXING match, with BOXING rules.

The whole point of mixed martial arts fighting from the beginning was to be, within reason (barring things like eye gouging, biting, groin kicks, etc.) the closest thing to “real world”, “who’s the tougher guy” combat as is reasonably possible in any kind of sanctioned event.

SO, if Mayweather thinks that with him fighting a top UFC or Pride fighter in his own weight class – UNDER UFC or PRIDE RULES – that he’d win, he’s more insane than I ever thought. Yes, he’s a far better boxer, with probably far more accuracy and great hand speed. But if he thinks that a top MMA guy like Liddell wouldn’t be able to withstand a few of his shots long enough to get inside and shoot on him, take him down and quickly beat his ass, then he is clearly on some heavy, mind-altering drugs.

In a BOXING match, under BOXING rules, yes – Mayweather would win. In an MMA match under MMA rules, against a top MMA fighter in his weight class, he would stand NO chance.

Agressive Napkin wrote:
I just wanted to share a bit of stupidity I hear the other day.

My friend: “Dude, Chuck Liddel could totally take all these boxer guys.”

[/quote]

yeah good points…

Id be interested to see what a guy like floyd could do in other sports with a good 5 years of training behind him though…

the guy is a genetic freak… would be interesting to see say in another life time if his chosen sport was UFC or soccer or sprinting or anything really

(im not saying hed dominate just would be interesting to see what they could do)

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
yanksta wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
yanksta wrote:
But this fight reminded me of why I like boxing a hundred times more than ufc.

It had the opposite effect for me. I love any kind of combat sport where both fighters come looking to scrap. PBF had a winning gameplan and executed it to perfection, but but he wasn’t interested in fighting. He wasn’t interested in finishing the fight. He was perfectly content to coast his way to a judges decision. That’s not a combat mentality … that’s a figure skating mentality.

This fight reminded me of the Arlovski-Werdum fight at UFC 70, where the winning fighter was perfectly content to score points and let the judges decide things rather than looking to finish the fight. IMO, MMA’s biggest advantage over boxing is that very few fighters are content to let the decision go to the judges. MMA fighters are obsessed with finishing fights.

How many HUGE boxing matches have you seen recently that ended in anything other than a judges decision? It seems none of the elite level guys are ever willing to throw caution to the wind and go for the stoppage when they are facing off against an evenly matched opponent. And that sucks IMO.

Look at it this way, big boxing matches happen much less often than the “big” UFC matches. Boxing sells the fights that are actually BIG, while UFC calls any fight they can the next huge fight. UFC has more knockouts naturally because of the gear that they wear. A lot less protection there compared to boxing.

If boxers wore those gloves, you would see alot more knockouts to. But thats not boxing, boxing isn’t a street fight, its a tactical war. UFC fighters will never understand what it means to be tactical because they fight three to five round fights and take huge beatings exponentially faster than in boxing.

Boxing is its own sport. UFC is its own sport to. I respect UFC fighters immensely but I think that boxing is an art and ufc is a brawl.

Boxing fans dont always watch fights just to see a knockout. I love watching Pacquiao or Hatton get in the ring regardless if they knock the other guy out or not. You have to appreciate the strategy that goes along with the sport.

I agree with the first part about big MMA fights happening way more often than big boxing matches.

This was the biggest match arguably in a decade. Honestly, I don’t see any more big fights for a long time from boxing. But thats ok, usually the smaller matches, produce some of the best fights.

That is why boxing sucks so bad. The promoters have totally ruined the sport and nobody actually has to fight anybody thats a legimate contender because there are so many boxing organizations.

I’ve been waiting for this fight for 6 months straight with an erection and I can honestly say it was a let down. I was at the fight ringside and even being there, it didn’t live up to the hype. I’ve watched better fights on HBO for free.

I wish boxing did have lighter padded gloves. In actuality it would be safer, people would get knocked out more often and quicker and boxers wouldn’t sustain as many blows.

Look at MMA, they’ve never had any serious injuries to name of, but boxing has had several boxers die or get severely injured from taking all of the repetitive blows to the head.

I’m sorry, but I don’t watch boxing for strategy. If you want strategy, watch a chess match. I like seeing knockouts and great fights-Gatti/Ward, Corrales/Castillo 1&2, Ali, etc. Look at all the great boxing fights in history, the were scrapping their asses off. They weren’t dancing around all night.

While I can appreciate Floyd’s highly defensive style and his impeccable record, let’s be honest most of his fights are rather boring. He’s such a good defensive fighter, he’s content to just slip punches, counter and jab all night.

I am a huge huge boxing fan but I an more excited about the Rampage Lidell rematch upcoming in a few weeks. Why? It has the potential to be a great fight, or at least entertaining.

Regardless if its boxing or UFC I want to see some scrapping.[/quote]

what is defined as a BIG boxing match?

what is defined as a BIG UFC/MMA match?