Dchris's Grappling with Age

Way behind.

Friday - spontaneous open mat
Saturday - shoulders

Cable press
Worked up to 3x8

DB Standing press
5x10x52.5lbs

DB Upright row
3x12

Lateral raises
3x12

Sunday - legs
Belt squat
Worked up to 3x5x320lbs

Monday
6am class - ran by a newly promoted Brown belt catch wrestler

We worked Irish collar tie from closed guard. Fun setups for me. Had two rounds. First with scrappy white belt who I got in a canto. Was working move of day, but transitioned to collar sleeve, then loop. He defended well, so threw my leg over for canto.

Second was with coach. He dropped into my half guard and gave me his leg to enter ashi, I then heel hooked him in the Gi. lol. We rolled on and I went to pass with a loop. I sat back and he came up escaping when time expired. Said he would fall asleep before giving me a legit sub. lol cause the heely doesn’t count.

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Tuesday

Slight Incline Camber Bar Press
10x145
10x155
10x175
5x195
5x215
0x235
2x10x145 - 5 sec negative

DB Pushups
75

Cable Flies
3x12

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Wednesday

Pullups
3x5 - My left elbow was a bit angry. Didn’t push these

Lat Pulldown
3x12

Single Arm Pull down
3x12

  • This was a bit of pulling down at an angle across my body. So pulley over my left shoulder, pulling down with right arm. Really good lat flex and pump

Cable Row
3x12

Bar Hang
3x60 seconds

Cable Row
3xamrap - Just light weight, focusing on pulling with rear dents

  • Back day continues to be kinda bland. Good pump, but not really a movement I am trying to progress on.
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Quick update on goals..

Diet and cut got a bit stagnant. Mentioned a bit ago that last few weeks have been interesting as I sort out some potential life changes. There’s more clarity there now, but still lots to happen to make the change. That said, I have 2 weeks of paternity leave right now, followed by 3 at end of April. I’m making a big final push to drop 10lbs. My weight has been around 236-240. Would like to end at 225. Bought a lot of steak, ground beef/pork, pork tenderloin, eggs and chicken to make this push successful. Also, stocked up on peanut butter and protein shakes. Not necessarily carnivore, but still high protein and fat.

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Thursday
Seated OHP NG
10x145
3x5x165

Cable OHP
3x12

DB Laterals
3x12

BJJ night class

  • Started it off with a ten minute round. Not sure where this came from.
  • Did some guard pad drilling
  • 6x5 minute rounds
  • Me trial class guy fucking heel hooked me in the Gi. Alls fair, but bastard caught me off guard and had no idea what culture he comes from. Just tapped.
  • Rest of rounds were good. Swept a brown belt twice with a single x. Almost had straight ankle lock. Then he sat back and almost got me with it, but time expired
  • Felt like I was playing more of a trip game today, was fun. Had sleeve grips, and was conscience of stretching out opponent, then using other leg to chop their foot out.
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Friday
Random open mat

  • not a lot to highlight. Good rounds. Only had 5x6 minute rounds
  • Strained my groin a bit. Very good brown belt, pinned my right leg while passing. I kicked his grip free, but he switched grips and pushed my leg, rotating me to my right shoulder as I pulled my leg up. Essentially all the strength was coming from groin/hamstring and it was too much. I conceded the pass
  • I ran out of electrolytes a week ago and have been drinking plain water for first time in over a year. Everything has been cramping lately. My auto subscription kicks in next week, but may need to up frequency as clearly my body needs it.
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Sunday

Incline Camber Bench
10x10x145

High Incline DB Bench
2x15x52.5 lbs

Crazy good pump today. Decided to keep things lighter, but consistent 1-2 minute break. Each rep had slow eccentric. Last few sets, I had to bump to 3 minute rests.

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Took last two days off lifting just to let my groin heal up.

Wed

  • Spontaneous session with the comp brown belt and 3 purple belts.
  • Very good rounds. Ended up submitting one of them with backtriangled arm bar. Something I went into the day trying to get.
  • Then worked passing guard from knee shield, by weaving top hand through their shield and blocking bottom leg. Was successful doing this on the purple belts.
  • Also worked turning their knee shield into a half butterfly and worked on tripod passing. Was able to get this effectively as well
  • Worked the takedown where I reach over their should and grab their belt, trapping their arm, then holding sleeve on other arm. I then fall back and kick them over. Was 1-2 on this against purple belts. The brown belt just pulled guard.
  • Did some weird wizardry berimbolos against one of the purple belts. I rolled into donkey guard, leg entanglement and bolo’d into a back take. @twojarslave would not approve :wink:
  • Overall, felt really good. Able to hit solid technical aspects I normally miss and be aware of finer details. When (trying to) pass the brown belts guard, I realized he grabs my wrist and prevents a cradle. Instead of posting higher up towards his shoulder, I put it at his waist, when he reached for my sleeve, I grabbed his hand with my weaved hand. From there it would have been an easy pass.. but he’s a BTT brown belt so obviously he got his arm back, pushed me into deep half and rolled me. lol
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YOU’RE GOING TO GET YOURSELF KILLED IN THE NEXT STREET FIGHT YOU START!!!

On that subject, I recently discovered a guy named Chris Burns (Bones) on my instagram feed. Literally everything I’ve seen him say is in alignment with what I learned from my coach and his coach, Jay. He explains the concepts of old-school BJJ extremely well, which are often more like principles than “moves”. There’s nothing new under the sun with self-defense BJJ, which really limits the growth opportunity for its tutorial video market.

Getting my stuff to work on purples was always a good sign it was working. So is a “pause for a sec, let me show you something” to turn your roll into a coaching session on an esoteric guard pass you weren’t even going to do, right before you’re about to stack pass him. My stuff never worked on Jay’s brown or blacks aside from the brief moments in the sun you occasionally get when you roll with your coach enough.

I’ve been itching to resume training again, but my only viable option is a school that doesn’t inspire the same confidence Jay does. It’s basically a factory for New England Fights amateur fighters who don’t go pro. They banned my instructor 12 years ago or so when he tore through the whole room as a purple belt. His mat manners are impeccable. My buddy and I went there in the middle of Covid once and he got his rib cracked during an osoto gari or uchi mata drill when his partner basically jumped into a knee on belly after the throw. Total dick move on an uke. I experienced similar intensity in the drills, where my partners all tried to turn them into little contests.

We both had targets on our backs, me for being a well-known doorman and him for being the former #1 LHW amateur in New England before injury ended his MMA career. Neither of us rolled with anyone else in that room that day. We just walked out after one roll with each other.

The next closest place is about 40 minutes away, and none of Jay’s browns or black seem likely to set up home mats and offer free open training 3x a week anytime soon. I may have to suck it up and walk back through those doors if I want to resume.

I take it you’re a blue belt?

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LOL!

I really like his page. No nonsense in how he communicates too! I think he is a Rickson BB.

Ya, this is my usual criteria for something has ability to work well in my game. Try it on white belts, do it with confidence on blues, and then work it into game against purples. I never deviate from my known to work game against purple and up.

This moment of aha! I did something unpredictable and it worked is great.. but it’s always followed by them figuring it out and responding appropriately, whereas, I have exceeded by ability to evolve in a moment.

Definitely get back on.. but, I’d avoid that place. There is nothing worse than training partners you don’t feel safe with. I went against one of the black belts who gave me my blue. He had popped my elbow at least six times by ripping armbars. Yesterday, I came up from a scramble and was reaching for back of collar to take his back. He pulled my leg through and knee barred me hard and fast. I’m feeling it this morning.. To be clear, had I taken his back, I don’t think I’m good enough to finish against him, but ego takes in and he rips things. That’s the first time I’ve trained with him since last August.

The hard part of being in a rural area. Ever hit up reddit or Facebook groups in the area? We have a group of nomads in DFW who mapped out all the open mats. They train for free and can nearly every day.

Yep, I received last summer.

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Thursday

Belt Squats
10x90
10x180
10x270
10x320
3x5x360 - Good stuff. Time to run at 400 again, I think.

Leg Ext
3x15

Friday
Went to another spontaneous open mat with a group of good guys

  • Smashed some white belts and showed them details for passing half and going on offensive from bottom half
  • Good roll with blackbelt who has always smashed me. Could tell he was impressed with progress. At one point, we were in a scramble, after I entered K guard. I grabbed his belt, climbed up and reached for back of his collar to pull him into back control. As I did that he grabbed my leg and pulled it for knee bar. My knee line was below his hips, so I was fairly safe, until he turned my foot so the outside of my knee was against his hips and ripped it. I tapped before it got too bad, but It’s tender today.
  • Good rounds with BTT brown belt. He was letting me work a bit more, I got a sweep I’ve been working and worked to mount. One of those rolls where you earn the position, but he could have wrecked me before I got there. LOL
  • Was fun to watch him roll with the black belt who has dominated our morning class mats for as long as I’ve trained there. He’s a sponsored BTT brown belt who has trained 6 days a week for years and is making a Worlds run this year. Ya, he wrecked him. Belts are meaningless, except as a grip.
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I’m sure I could curate my own experience well enough to do alright at the local place, but a gym like that still has a risk factor that I don’t sense at all from Jay and his guys, plus I’m 45 now. My coach actually gifted me private lessons from the local BB head coach years ago and he’s a good enough grappler to learn from and an experienced pro fighter, but I’d still choose to learn from a Jay purple belt if presented the option.

I suspect the gift was more of a way to send me, his devious project, over to the gym that banned him but it was all in good spirits.

My coach and I basically were the local social media training clique, first at his place and then at mine. I wouldn’t bother putting mats back in the basement unless I had a coach at most open trainings, which isn’t a possibility anymore. My town’s reddit just consists of antifa calling friends of mine Nazis with no response or engagement.

It’s a desert out there. I’m not sure I even want to get a blue belt from anyone unaffiliated with Jay. It wouldn’t feel right and I kind of like having a grimy white belt and a blue gi that’s very well worn. A couple of years ago someone made a comment about how worn my gi was and accused me of being a six stripe white belt.

We shall see. I’ll continue to live vicariously through your experience for now!

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I don’t recall what I did this weekend.

Sunday
I think I did shoulders

Monday
Office workout

DB Row
10x80
3x10x100

DB Row chest supported
4x12

Lat Pulldown
3x12

Rear flies
3x12

Biceps
100 reps

Tuesday
Office workout

Dips
3x10

DB Incline
10x70lbs
3x8x85

High Incline DB
4x10x55lbs | 1.5 reps

Machine Press
3x10

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On a personal front, I’ve hinted at it for a bit.. but, I tendered resignation today and am officially moving out of state.

Which leads me to.. I’m seriously considering starting off at my next place as a white belt. I hate belts and would rather just start over than show up somewhere new with the presumption of being a blue belt there. Don’t get me wrong, I’d put my schools blue belts against anyone else’s.. but, particularly with blue, why not just start over.

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I’m the exact same way, and did the exact same thing when I started Tang Soo Do a few years back. Didn’t bring up my background or history, just let them teach me and let me learn. It’s up to them to decide where they want to place you, and I don’t want special treatment: I want to know exactly how they teach. If you’re worth their blue belt, you’ll have it.

Best of luck with the move!

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Good luck on your new adventure.

For my $0.02 I would hold off on the belt call until you find your new landing spot, especially if you have competitive aspirations. It’s a coach conversation, IMO. Even at a school like Jay’s I don’t think he’d demand you go back to white belt. His system has built-in stopgaps that eventually result in a “correct” grading, as long as you’re walking the path.

He has The Curriculum. It is what’s taught in class, and donkey guard isn’t part of it. You can think of it as core wrestling, core judo, core groundwork, core standing. For white belts, it is divided into four stripes. Each stripe represents a quarter of the curriculum. Every stripe test also involves a “quiz” on ANYTHING from before it. To get your fourth stripe on a white belt, you need to be able to demonstrate ALL of it on-command. Blue belts are awarded when a coach says you’re one, after you’ve completed all white belt stripes.

You’re going to be learning it anyway you do it, and I’m sure the coaches would test you extra hard on white belt stuff to get your next blue stripe, and you might be a blue belt longer than you planned. That’s more or less how I understand the system to work.

Moving on to blue the stripes are for conditional responses, like give-and-take type of drills. Again, for each stripe test you may have to demonstrate ANYTHING from a previous stripe. Purple is incorporating off-curriculum stuff into your game with similar conditional responses. Brown is teaching and developing your own game that you’ve adapted for yourself, and also conditional responses to that. Black is passing Jay’s black belt test, which is brutal. At all points you can be “quizzed” on previous stripes, going all the way back to white belt 1.

You’ve got enough mat time to where it won’t really matter much in the scheme of things. If you walk in with a brand new gi and white belt, it will be OBVIOUS that you’ve trained and your coach will probably want to know your background.

If you find yourself getting smashed by four stripe whites, the remedy to that is the same no matter what color your belt is.

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Exactly how I feel.

How would you approach this? There are three schools I plan on taking a trial week at. Show up as blue?

I’ve never been somewhere that has tests/quizzes for promotion. We absolutely have a curriculum, but white to blue is determined by attendance, consistency, ability to perform technique in sparring, competition (if meets goals) and ability to handle oneself against other white belts and upper belts. From there on, it’s subjective to the coaches, but quite honestly, our athletes do well against other schools.

This is one area that lends to a bit of mat insecurity. I’m a product of mostly open mats and meet ups. My prof realized recently I’m trash at getting out of mount. I don’t get mounted often, like very rarely, and when I do, it’s a competition and I don’t care because I’ll force them to high mount (what they want) and then kick my legs up and over them pulling them back and entering leg entanglements. These gaps are closing quickly as I realize and study more, but I also rarely pass guard. My game has always been guard play, sweep, take top position. If I was in situation where guard needed to be passed from sweep, I usually could do it easily because I’ve worn out opponent. This was evident in my sub only match, when I quickly conceded a sweep so I could get back to playing half guard, in addition to letting opponent mount me to wear him out, before making an attempt at leg entry as described above.

Essentially, I’ve covered two basic weaknesses with my strengths (flexibility and good guard play)

Thanks! This is a wild new adventure. Can’t believe I’m moving again.

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I would, but there’s nothing wrong with buying a brand new white belt, either. You could also call up the coach at each place and ask them for their opinion, which I suspect will be “show up as what you’ve been graded”. No matter what, they will want your business.

Mount escapes are one of my stronger areas, as my coach made me understand the advantage exceptional hip strength gives me. You’ve got very strong hips as well, certainly stronger than most you’ll encounter on the mats.

Self-defense BJJ was key to this for me, which seeks to do the opposite of your approach of allowing high mount. High mount is a really, really bad spot to be underneath in a fight.

Elbows tight to the body and ON THE MAT denies high mount and keeps them over your hips with the frames you’ve established. You don’t necessarily want them pinned to the mat at all times, which can be stepped over, but working as a frame against their thighs. Your elbows should never be high enough for them to just walk their knees into your armpits.

They have to clear your elbows to advance to high mount. Punch defense in this situation is active hips, which forces them to post with their hands instead of hit you in the face. Trap-and-roll is right there oftentimes, and your elbow is where it is supposed to be to do a knee-to-elbow escape to get back to guard. As long as you’re denying high mount, they will have to contend with your hips, and you’re a strong lifter with strong hips. That’s my plan A if I get mounted. Make them defeat my frames while contending with my hips.

My previous school did not emphasize the importance of elbows on the mat, or really anything about not getting decked in the face. That’s just one of the rather significant differences I observed, which translated to rolling results very well for me.

Hips are even the way out of body-to-body full mount with grapevine hooks. I remember a black belt who held me down for the whole match this way, seemingly not wanting to learn what happens when he gives up the position. Coach’s solution worked the next time. Buck, buck, BIG BRIDGE, then run around in a circle. That turns into a scramble, but at least you’re not being smushed anymore. Your hips are strong enough to make anyone have to contend with that situation, even a guy my size.

Given my nearly constant size/strength disparity, whenever someone didn’t want to start standing, I would ALWAYS concede a bottom position. I despised beginning rolls with both people on their knees, which is an artificial position that will almost never happen in a fight.

"Go ahead and fuck me up”is how my mount and side-control escapes got a lot better, especially offering top position to colored belts. Just being a real motherfucker to hold down opens up the rest of your game. I highly, highly recommend this if you aren’t starting on the feet to work your stand-up.

The first video I found on youtube completely misses the elbows on the mat detail. So did a lot of the others. I think Gracie Combatives might cover it, but I don’t have time to sift through today.

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Conceptually I know how to do this, trap and roll, kipping, and push them to a side, swimming through, and moving to single X, I just have lazily done what works and never developed the others. I’m working on it more. My strategy is usually don’t let people mount me. lol

I do too. I see videos on this, but have never experienced it. We start one of the following ways:

  • standing, with intent to take down
  • standing, with one person knowingly pulling guard immediately to simulate a pass/guard retention with active movement
  • One sitting, one standing looking to pass
  • Situational eg, start from side, closed guard, back, etc.

Ya, many times the mat is too full to have people start standing, so prof will say bigger guy start seated… that’s always me.

Wednesday
Office Workout

Zercher Squat
10x135
10x185
5x225
3x3x275 - This felt good

DB Cossack
10x80lbs
3x8x100lbs

Goblet Squat
3x10x100lb

Leg Ext
3x12

Thursday
Office Workout

Standing OHP
10x135
10x155
2x175
1x175 - Really wanted 3x2.. but didn’t have it
15x135

  • Did a set of 5 pull-ups in between each set. All six sets were smooth. I haven’t weighed myself, but arms and quads are more vascular and diet has been great, so I’m sure I’m lighter. The last rep of the last set of pull-ups was as smooth as the first.

Upright Rows
10x65lbs
10x85lbs
10x105lbs

Arnold Press
3x12x55lbs

Machine Press
3x10 - 1.5 reps w/5sec eccentric

Tomorrow is last day in corporate office. Mixed emotions, but very happy to be moving on.

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One of my early bad habits was letting people advance to mount from side control, along with not trying to climb the ladder on offense to simply bully Americanas from side control.

Then I got satisfied with mount and high mount without advancing to the back. I still prefer mount, especially holding mount and cooking with pressure while holding mount.

My attacks from guard are bad but I have success with sweeps or getting back in base.

My first school and the local place default to starting from the knees. IMO it means rolling is considered more of a contest than a training opportunity for many.

The contest aspect of it is generally good, but c’mon with the kneeling starts!