Thanks for the advice sento. I will probably do that
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
Also, have you tried harris-ext before? Any pain from those? For me at least harris-ext are very comfortable on my elbows. EliteFTS.com: Troponin -Overhead Rope Extensions - YouTube
To help aid joint support you should consider supplementing with Cissus quadrangularis, Chondroitin sulfate, and/or Glucosamine. Equine joint relief could also be a big help, and of course fish oil like Flameout.
Howād your elbow pain develop in the first place, anyway? Did you do old-school skullcrushers or some such?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Howād your elbow pain develop in the first place, anyway? Did you do old-school skullcrushers or some such?
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I had it about a year ago from skull crushersā¦then it got better. After it got better, my first mistake was dropping the elbow sleeves since I thought I didnāt need them. Probably around 2 months ago when I was doing 5/3/1 and wanting to increase my bench I thought I would be a dumbass and try some of Tateās 100 rep pressdown finisher stuff. Yup, I am retarded. Since then my stubborn ass has tried to ignore the pain that developed as it slowly got worse and worse.
[quote]kylec72 wrote:
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
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If he has access to a good lateral raise machine, that would probably be his best bet in that scenario.
I personally like to throw wide grip upright rows into my blasts from time to time to hit the medial delts. But a lot of people run into problems with upright rows, so I hesitate to recommend them in this situation.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
kylec72 wrote:
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
If he has access to a good lateral raise machine, that would probably be his best bet in that scenario.
I personally like to throw wide grip upright rows into my blasts from time to time to hit the medial delts. But a lot of people run into problems with upright rows, so I hesitate to recommend them in this situation.[/quote]
i like the upright rows a lot. wider grip, pull to about nipple line, not too much higher (the wider grip doesnāt really allow for this anyway). works well for me and the delts have been developing nicely since i put them in.
[quote]dropshot001 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
kylec72 wrote:
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
If he has access to a good lateral raise machine, that would probably be his best bet in that scenario.
I personally like to throw wide grip upright rows into my blasts from time to time to hit the medial delts. But a lot of people run into problems with upright rows, so I hesitate to recommend them in this situation.
i like the upright rows a lot. wider grip, pull to about nipple line, not too much higher (the wider grip doesnāt really allow for this anyway). works well for me and the delts have been developing nicely since i put them in.
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I think I might add those in place of a shoulder exercise. Should help save my elbows a little and I have never treid them before.
At the bottom of page 21 in this thread CC describes a modified hybrid version of upright rows as a safer exercise.
[quote]kylec72 wrote:
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
Also, have you tried harris-ext before? Any pain from those? For me at least harris-ext are very comfortable on my elbows. EliteFTS.com: Troponin -Overhead Rope Extensions - YouTube
To help aid joint support you should consider supplementing with Cissus quadrangularis, Chondroitin sulfate, and/or Glucosamine. Equine joint relief could also be a big help, and of course fish oil like Flameout.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucosamine[/quote]
Iāve done the harris extensions a lot, but usually a bit different (more like Larry Scott did them and with a bit of a pullover motion). Both ways work fine for me.
As for using a lateral variant, skip laterals (to lower chest height only, perhaps) or better, some good lateral machine should workā¦ If you can progress on it and youāve got a ton of other pressing movements in the rotation, then why notā¦
[quote]kylec72 wrote:
At the bottom of page 21 in this thread CC describes a modified hybrid version of upright rows as a safer exercise.[/quote]
The one Dropshot mentioned above works fine for me, too.
The version I described has not much external rotation, come to think of itā¦ Thatās the main difference.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Howād your elbow pain develop in the first place, anyway? Did you do old-school skullcrushers or some such?
I had it about a year ago from skull crushersā¦then it got better. After it got better, my first mistake was dropping the elbow sleeves since I thought I didnāt need them. Probably around 2 months ago when I was doing 5/3/1 and wanting to increase my bench I thought I would be a dumbass and try some of Tateās 100 rep pressdown finisher stuff. Yup, I am retarded. Since then my stubborn ass has tried to ignore the pain that developed as it slowly got worse and worse. [/quote]
I never understood why people only use elbow sleeves once they managed to get themselves hurt (or are currently hurt).
Ah yeah, skullcrushersā¦ The worst thing you can do to your elbows 
Note: āPulling the bar apartā on bench and OHP can be very stressful on the elbows as wellā¦ Careful.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
kylec72 wrote:
At the bottom of page 21 in this thread CC describes a modified hybrid version of upright rows as a safer exercise.
The one Dropshot mentioned above works fine for me, too.
The version I described has not much external rotation, come to think of itā¦ Thatās the main difference. [/quote]
Ah okay, I read into it wrong.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
kylec72 wrote:
CC or someone else can confirm whether this is a viable solution or not, but might replacing one of your shoulder exercises with a lateral movement help alleviate some of the toll on your front delts from 9 exercises of chest, shoulder, and tricep pressing. The lateral movement could be nautilus lateral raises, db lateral raises, cable lateral raises, etc. Good idea or bad idea?
Also, have you tried harris-ext before? Any pain from those? For me at least harris-ext are very comfortable on my elbows. EliteFTS.com: Troponin -Overhead Rope Extensions - YouTube
To help aid joint support you should consider supplementing with Cissus quadrangularis, Chondroitin sulfate, and/or Glucosamine. Equine joint relief could also be a big help, and of course fish oil like Flameout.
Iāve done the harris extensions a lot, but usually a bit different (more like Larry Scott did them and with a bit of a pullover motion). Both ways work fine for me.
As for using a lateral variant, skip laterals (to lower chest height only, perhaps) or better, some good lateral machine should workā¦ If you can progress on it and youāve got a ton of other pressing movements in the rotation, then why notā¦
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I tend to do the same with a little bit of a pullover motion. Iāve seen you mention that before and up till then I never really thought whether I was doing a pullover motion or not. The pullover came natural to me on the movement.
Yeah, Iāve actually had the nautilus lateral raise in my rotation for a few months now. That still leaves me with 7 pressing exercises, which seems to be enough for progression.
Stalled on Dumbbell Bench. Any other suggestions? Perhaps DB Bench on a slight incline?
My other Chest lifts are Decline and Incline Bench, both of which are progressing fine
Overall Iām making decent progress. Over 9 weeks, Iām up 10lbs, half an inch on arms, 3/4 of an inch on legs, 5/8 on chest. Also up 1/2 inch on waist but my abs are still visible so not too worried.
jump in the smith and do some smith incline? any good hammer machines available to you? db bench on the slight incline can work as well. as long as the kicking up of the dbās doesnāt drain you too much.
[quote]TheBlade wrote:
Stalled on Dumbbell Bench. Any other suggestions? Perhaps DB Bench on a slight incline?
My other Chest lifts are Decline and Incline Bench, both of which are progressing fine
Overall Iām making decent progress. Over 9 weeks, Iām up 10lbs, half an inch on arms, 3/4 of an inch on legs, 5/8 on chest. Also up 1/2 inch on waist but my abs are still visible so not too worried.[/quote]
Switching to slight incline worked well for me when stalling on DB bench.
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Does anyone here use complexes during a cruise? Iām giving these a try for the 1st time (doing āCosgroveās Evil 8ā). 1st cruising week is just complexes only 3 times a week. The 2nd week would be straight setting (not to failure) my next DC blast scheme + a complex at the end. Iām assuming this is ok for a DC cruise since complexes arenāt really taxing the CNS much. Someone should tell me if Iām assuming wrong. 
zenomaly, as long as it doesnāt interfere with your cruiseā¦ Question though: What are 2 weeks of complexes every 2-3 months going to do for you? I never did any, so I have no idea how fast they work for fat-loss or anything.
If youāre like me and you take your food/protein intake down a notch during a cruise, then extra activity isnāt really needed imoā¦
[quote]zenomaly wrote:
Does anyone here use complexes during a cruise? Iām giving these a try for the 1st time (doing āCosgroveās Evil 8ā). 1st cruising week is just complexes only 3 times a week. The 2nd week would be straight setting (not to failure) my next DC blast scheme + a complex at the end. Iām assuming this is ok for a DC cruise since complexes arenāt really taxing the CNS much. Someone should tell me if Iām assuming wrong. ;)[/quote]
As long as they donāt wind up not allowing your body to fully recover (the real purpose of a cruise) and wind up forcing you to cut your next blast short, then I donāt really see a problem.
Complexes certainly arenāt as CNS taxing as RPāing/DC, but personally when I come to a cruise Iām experiencing chronic fatigue, sometimes chronic joint ache, and the thought of intense exercise (in any form) just doesnāt sound all that appealing to me (at least for the first few days/week). I know that everyone is a little different when it comes to their cruises though.
What is your intended purpose of doing them? Is it just something that sounds like fun? Or are you trying to cut some fat during your cruise?