DC Training Thread (Part 2)

Sento, I agree.

I definitely add more weight to leg press and other quad exercises, and some back thickness ones as well.

And yea, it’s a little sad to see this thread continuously bumped to the second page.

Today was my final workout of my 4th blast. I just started my 11th week, and while my strength has continued to go up, I feel like a complete zombie in the gym. I take a nap for an hour before hand and even pop a ECA stack since i’m dieting and I don’t get anything. I also don’t have that same drive before my workouts.

However, 11 weeks for this blast is good, and besides, I have a test next week so this lines up pretty well.

I hope my weight loss doesn’t suffer too much on the cruise however.

Btw, in roughly one month i’ll have been doing DC for one full year =) pretty cool

[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Sento, I agree.

I definitely add more weight to leg press and other quad exercises, and some back thickness ones as well.

And yea, it’s a little sad to see this thread continuously bumped to the second page.

Today was my final workout of my 4th blast. I just started my 11th week, and while my strength has continued to go up, I feel like a complete zombie in the gym. I take a nap for an hour before hand and even pop a ECA stack since i’m dieting and I don’t get anything. I also don’t have that same drive before my workouts.

However, 11 weeks for this blast is good, and besides, I have a test next week so this lines up pretty well.

I hope my weight loss doesn’t suffer too much on the cruise however.

Btw, in roughly one month i’ll have been doing DC for one full year =) pretty cool[/quote]

Nice!

So much for that “you’ve got to change up your routine every 6-8 weeks to continue seeing results/muscle confusion” crap eh?

Good luck with the test btw. :slight_smile:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Sento, I agree.

I definitely add more weight to leg press and other quad exercises, and some back thickness ones as well.

And yea, it’s a little sad to see this thread continuously bumped to the second page.

Today was my final workout of my 4th blast. I just started my 11th week, and while my strength has continued to go up, I feel like a complete zombie in the gym. I take a nap for an hour before hand and even pop a ECA stack since i’m dieting and I don’t get anything. I also don’t have that same drive before my workouts.

However, 11 weeks for this blast is good, and besides, I have a test next week so this lines up pretty well.

I hope my weight loss doesn’t suffer too much on the cruise however.

Btw, in roughly one month i’ll have been doing DC for one full year =) pretty cool

Nice!

So much for that “you’ve got to change up your routine every 6-8 weeks to continue seeing results/muscle confusion” crap eh?

Good luck with the test btw. :)[/quote]

Well, we do change up our routine, every day.

We add weight to the bar lol
That’s about as much change as you need =)

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
The issue of how much weight to add somewhat depends on:

-the strength levels of the person in question, the stronger you are when you start, the less aggressive you’ll be able to be with weight jumps (or the faster you’ll lose exercises)

-the exercise in question, you’re not gonna be adding 20 lbs to barbell curls on a regular basis, but you might be able to on things like leg press and rack deads.

-the individual’s recovery abilities, some guys can just recover faster and therefore improve in strength faster, others can’t, you’ve got to find out where you lie on the spectrum

-super supps, one of the reasons why assisted lifters have shorter blasts than naturals is because they are able to make much larger weight jumps on a regular basis (and therefore burn their recovery systems out faster).

Everyone just has to figure out what they can handle, and of course use a little common sense depending on the exercise in question. Good to hear that you two have found what works for you though. :)[/quote]

definitely agree. i’ve been dc’ing for about 2 years now, almost on the button. i have tailored my blasts to suit my recovery and instead of doing dc with a 3rp, i do it with a 2rp so i don’t burn out as fast.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Mad_Duck wrote:
(oh look, there’s sento battling more trolls ;'))

:smiley:

LOL

Tell me you have a few of those stupid plastic armies stashed away in the basement, too.

:slight_smile:

LOL. Why I have no idea what you’re talking about. ;)[/quote]

Speaking of plastic armies… I’m guessing the time’s ripe to go over to my mom’s house, get the ‘hypothetical’ collection of old-school G.I. Joes out, and list them on eBay.
:cry:

How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.

I think the typical natural lifters blast lasts between 8-14 weeks depending on a number of things… If you find yourself getting worn out earlier than that you can always skip a workout and resume it the next scheduled day. At 10 weeks you may be nearing the end though, thats right in the sweet spot of where most blasts end.

[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
Sento, I agree.

I definitely add more weight to leg press and other quad exercises, and some back thickness ones as well.

And yea, it’s a little sad to see this thread continuously bumped to the second page.

Today was my final workout of my 4th blast. I just started my 11th week, and while my strength has continued to go up, I feel like a complete zombie in the gym. I take a nap for an hour before hand and even pop a ECA stack since i’m dieting and I don’t get anything. I also don’t have that same drive before my workouts.

However, 11 weeks for this blast is good, and besides, I have a test next week so this lines up pretty well.

I hope my weight loss doesn’t suffer too much on the cruise however.

Btw, in roughly one month i’ll have been doing DC for one full year =) pretty cool

Nice!

So much for that “you’ve got to change up your routine every 6-8 weeks to continue seeing results/muscle confusion” crap eh?

Good luck with the test btw. :slight_smile:

Well, we do change up our routine, every day.

We add weight to the bar lol
That’s about as much change as you need =)[/quote]

Haha, right on.

[quote]xxx wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.
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The standard length of a blast seems to be 6-12 weeks, depending on the recovery ability of the trainee.

After 5 weeks of nursing a rib injury, I am alomst back 100%. I can’t effing wait to start a blast… Heal damnit!

[quote]plateau wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.[/quote]

For natties, usually 8-12 weeks or so.

Way less for assisted guys.

Hm few weeks have passed since I began to do those shoulder rotations with a broomstick. All that I can say, they’re useful. Gained some mobility in the joint, also I’m thinking about re-introducing behind the neck work for my upper body, as my shoulders feel easier now.

It’s just bad to see some people avoid any pressing movements, behind the neck pulldowns or even back squats while they’re complaining about their lack of mobility.

Sure that extreme stretches, shoulder rotation work helped a lot to improve my flexibilty and mobility (it even added 25 pounds to my front squat in a short period.

[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Mad_Duck wrote:
(oh look, there’s sento battling more trolls ;'))

:smiley:

LOL

Tell me you have a few of those stupid plastic armies stashed away in the basement, too.

:slight_smile:

LOL. Why I have no idea what you’re talking about. :wink:

Speaking of plastic armies… I’m guessing the time’s ripe to go over to my mom’s house, get the ‘hypothetical’ collection of old-school G.I. Joes out, and list them on eBay.
:'([/quote]

Never actually had any G.I. Joes growing up, as my mother was a crazy anti violence nut. And to her G.I. Joes represented the glorification of violence.

I was able to get away with some more fantastical toys which obviously didn’t represent reality though, once I got a little older.

[quote]kylec72 wrote:
xxx wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.

The standard length of a blast seems to be 6-12 weeks, depending on the recovery ability of the trainee.[/quote]

i also believe that it depends on the length of time a person has been doing dc. a person who has switched recently might have to cruise sooner than someone who has been doing dc for years simply because the second person’s cns had adapted better to the demands of a rp set.

[quote]plateau wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.[/quote]

This is one reason DC is for advanced BBers (not calling you out here). You have to be able to recognize when your body needs a break, how long you need off, and how much exercise you need while cruising.

8-12 weeks is around the norm

Hope people don’t mind but I will paste this in two threads (also in the BOI) so this stays bumped.

This is the first day of week 6 for me, including the first two weeks which were basically trying to figure out the right weights.

Decline bench in the smith
Last Time: (105kg) 231lb x 11, 8, 4 (23RP)
This Time: (110kg) 242lb x 12, 9, 3 (24RP)

Hammer Strength front shoulder press
LT: (75kg) 165lb x 10, 3, 4 (17RP)
TT: (80kg) 176lb x 10, 5, 3 (18RP)

Reverse grip bench press in the smith
LT: (90kg) 198lb x 12, 7, 4 (23RP)
TT:(100kg) 220lb x 9, 5, 3 (17RP) grip started slipping on these or I would have done more (time to buy gloves…)

Wide arc lat pulldown
LT: (85kg) 187lb x 13, 6, 5 (24RP)
TT: (90kg) 198lb x 11, 6, 4 (21RP)

Rack Pulls from below the knee
LT: (210kg) 462lb x 6, (185kg) 407lb x 10
TT: (220kg) 484lb x 5, (190kg) 418lb x 7

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
dday wrote:
Hey guys, I’m trying DC for the first time, just started a few weeks ago and LOVE IT! It’s everything that’s been missing from my training for years, one problem I’m a home gym guy. While reading up on DC training over at IM I found a thread that said home gym guys shouldn’t use DC because you’ll run out of exercises but I can’t find anything that says when or why to change them?

I searched their site for hours last night looking for something that says when or why to change but cannot find a clear answer.
I don’t want to fight the system or anything but due to funds and a newborn I can’t afford a gym membership. Any idea how long I can train at home before I’m forced to give up DC or get a membership.

FYI I have a cage, smith, OLY platform, 800lbs of weight, lat pull, leg extension/curl attachment 1in & 2in adjustable DB handles and assorted misc items.

Thanks in advance for you help.

You didn’t do a very thorough search, that exercise-changing is a core part of the philosophy (not to be confused with the triple rotation).

Whenever an exercise stalls, you replace it with a similar one.

General rule of thumb is to at least get +2 reps and/or a weight-increase every time you do the same exercise (i.e. every 2 weeks per exercise). If you stall or regress, or progress just slows down too much (like a rep every 2 weeks), then you switch to a different exercise…

However, if you do stall, you generally give the exercise another chance 2 weeks later before switching it out, as the reason for your lack of progress may have been a bad day or lack of food or whatever. If you don’t manage to make appreciable progress twice in a row on the same exercise, switch it out.

Example: Low Incline BB Presses, rep-range is 12-20RP
session 1 - 29520RP
session 2(2 weeks later) - 305
21RP
session 3 - 31519RP
session 4 - 325
17RP
session 5 - 33513RP (uh-oh, reps almost at the bottom of the range)
session 6 - 335
14RP (essentially counts as stalling, only +1 rep… We only hit every exercise every 2 weeks, so that’s not good enough)
session 7 - 33517RP (second chance and it worked… Probably had some food or rest trouble or whatever previously)
session 8 - 345
15RP
session 9 - 35012RP (bah)
session 10 - 350
13RP
session 11 - 350*14RP (that’s it, progress has slowed down way too much… we’re replacing this exercise with, say, hammer-strength wide-incline or so)

All numbers are fictional, of course. You may be able to add 20 lbs and still get 3 more reps than last time, or you may have to work up in reps more often and you may be able to keep an exercise in the rotation for much longer or not… I just chose to make it look simple above.
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Well I wasn’t going to take up any more space in here but wanted to say thanks but since C_C’s PM function isn’t working one last post from me in the DC thread.
Thanks C_C and Sento for your advice.

I was basically confused as to when to switch, read to much into what they were saying about switching exercises. From your suggestion I think I’ll run through a few more weeks on this blast and move along to something more suited to a home gym, one day I’ll go back to a commercial gym and pick up DC training. Thanks again everyone.

[quote]olinerules87 wrote:
plateau wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.

This is one reason DC is for advanced BBers (not calling you out here). You have to be able to recognize when your body needs a break, how long you need off, and how much exercise you need while cruising.

8-12 weeks is around the norm[/quote]

No offense taken man.

Had expected to have to switch out exercises more often.

Anyway am unsure if my tiredness if result of the last few months of hell at work or 5 hours of hell in the gym every week…

[quote]plateau wrote:
olinerules87 wrote:
plateau wrote:
How long do most people’s blasts last? Have had to switch out 2 exercies so far (in ten weeks) but have been feeling pretty worn out this week.

This is one reason DC is for advanced BBers (not calling you out here). You have to be able to recognize when your body needs a break, how long you need off, and how much exercise you need while cruising.

8-12 weeks is around the norm

No offense taken man.

Had expected to have to switch out exercises more often.

Anyway am unsure if my tiredness if result of the last few months of hell at work or 5 hours of hell in the gym every week…[/quote]

DC leaves me tired as well, particularly right after training… Lots of going “beyond” failure/“CNS”-intensive techniques. Over the course of a blast, that slowly accumulates. (of course you could also have something like sleep-apnea being the reason, something not related to DC)

If it begins to affect your workouts or regular life too much, I’d really suggest taking a cruise.

[quote]plateau wrote:

No offense taken man.

Had expected to have to switch out exercises more often.

Anyway am unsure if my tiredness if result of the last few months of hell at work or 5 hours of hell in the gym every week…[/quote]

i am going through the same thing as i just dropped my cals as i try to lose some fat and my blast was shortened to about 6 weeks. i’m hoping that my body will adapt to the lower cals and next blast will be longer than this one.