I think for my next cycle I will be taking dbol preworkout rather than 3x/day, everyday.
My cycle will be low test (~200mg/wk) and high tren (~500mg/wk), so I won’t need too much adex. I’m thinking I’ll start at .25mg EOD seeing as 200mg of test per week is basically a TRT dose.
Anyway, I was curious about estrogen control while using dbol preworkout. Would I just use my adex to control estrogen from the test and just deal with the bloat/higher E2 on my workout days?
OR is there a way I could manage estrogen while on this schedule? I ask only because I’m fairly prone to acne, and I’ve read that it’s not necessarily androgens that cause acne, but fluctuations of hormones, namely estrogen.
Adex has a longer half life than dbol. So you probably will just have to use a bit more than you normally would with 200mg/wk of T and deal with the small fluctuations. The methylestradiol from dbol seems to be the worst offender when it comes to acne IMO.
When you take dbol pre-workout, is it BOOM!, you notice it immediately, or does it take a week or so to kick in on training days? I asked Saps this question via PM, but have not heard back from him yet.
Theloneous? WTF. IME I enjoy the dbol preworkout. Coupled with a solid preworkout stimulant youre bound to have some great sessions RR. I cant really add much to your concern regarding AI usage. What dosage of dbol are you running?
Thanks bonez. Re: the halflife, that’s what I was thinking… If I take too much adex for 200mg T/wk, on my non-workout days, I’ll have low E, then on my workout days I’ll have “high[er]” E.
Maybe I’ll just take 5mg 3x/day on my non workout days to get some extra E in my system and try to minimize fluctuations.
As for the methylestradiol causing acne, I’ve never heard of that. I’ll have to look into it.
Theloneous, I’ve only used dbol preworkout a couple of times, and it was only 5-10mg off cycle. That said, yeah, I feel it helped, but that could be a placebo effect. (Even though I know my dbol is real.)
Fallen, I’ll probably use it anywhere between 30-50mg/dbol before a workout.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Thanks bonez. Re: the halflife, that’s what I was thinking… If I take too much adex for 200mg T/wk, on my non-workout days, I’ll have low E, then on my workout days I’ll have “high[er]” E.
Maybe I’ll just take 5mg 3x/day on my non workout days to get some extra E in my system and try to minimize fluctuations.
As for the methylestradiol causing acne, I’ve never heard of that. I’ll have to look into it.
Theloneous, I’ve only used dbol preworkout a couple of times, and it was only 5-10mg off cycle. That said, yeah, I feel it helped, but that could be a placebo effect. (Even though I know my dbol is real.)
Fallen, I’ll probably use it anywhere between 30-50mg/dbol before a workout.[/quote]
I didn’t mean to imply that methylestradiol does anything crazy with acne just that it is more potent (not sure if thats the right word) than regular estradiol, which also makes me breakout. I used to notice the worst acne when I would come off a cycle and just stop the adex cold turkey, instead of tapering off it into PCT>
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I didn’t mean to imply that methylestradiol does anything crazy with acne just that it is more potent (not sure if thats the right word) than regular estradiol, which also makes me breakout. I used to notice the worst acne when I would come off a cycle and just stop the adex cold turkey, instead of tapering off it into PCT>
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Gotcha. I’ll have to pay attention to my dbol schedule and skin condition.
Interesting. I got pimples in PCT, but I attributed that to a SERM.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I didn’t mean to imply that methylestradiol does anything crazy with acne just that it is more potent (not sure if thats the right word) than regular estradiol, which also makes me breakout. I used to notice the worst acne when I would come off a cycle and just stop the adex cold turkey, instead of tapering off it into PCT>
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Gotcha. I’ll have to pay attention to my dbol schedule and skin condition.
Interesting. I got pimples in PCT, but I attributed that to a SERM.
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Yea that happened to me also. But I was using shit research chems. Since I’ve used good nolvadex and didn’t get acne in PCT but in the weeks between cycle and PCT I’m thinking it’s the excess estrogen. SERM may be a culprit also, but it’s not the only thing for me
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Yea that happened to me also. But I was using shit research chems. Since I’ve used good nolvadex and didn’t get acne in PCT but in the weeks between cycle and PCT I’m thinking it’s the excess estrogen. SERM may be a culprit also, but it’s not the only thing for me[/quote]
I got acne from my research lab nolva, too, then I got my hands on some pharm grade nolva and my skin condition improved when I made the switch. Makes you think wtf they’re putting in those research lab chems…
That’s a good point about the extra E in the transition phase. I’ll be using prop this cycle, though, and IIRC, the halflife of anastrozole is ~3 days, so that should taper off with the prop anyway, shouldn’t it?
I think the half life of adex is shorter but I don’t think it’ll matter much in the bigger picture. If I notice acne flaring up I use a tiny bit more adex and then guage my libido to see if it was too much.
I just wanted to point out that I have no more acne right now than I do off cycle. On my last two cycles, I used Dbol, and my back was pretty much covered.
I you take it all pre workout in one dose its possible you will bloat quickly once they kick in, i get big bloat in one hour after i take it.
Its a big, quick surge of estrogen with big dose dbol for me. (actually on 30-50mg I think definetly bloat not possibly, i blow up on 20mg in one dose) and need more adex., adex dosing may be difficult to administer as dbol aromatises so FAST from my experience, how to stop water retention from an acute rise in estrogen im not sure.
Ive never used adex as unfortunately its impossible for me to get (spewing!!) so I cant comment on how to get around this sorry.
Also in a single dose of that size sides like back pumps will be almost for certain after 2-3 weeks, nose bleeds maybe, heart palpatations possible. I say split it up at least 20 morning 20 pre workout.
everyones sides are different just be careful with big single doses.
I can take 60 mg 10mg x 6 per day with hardly sides apart from occasional nose bleeds (stange as my blood pressure is still ok at 135 over 80, never understood this), rare heart palpatations. When I go to to 20 mg x2 dosing, (40 mg total) no nose bleeds, horrible back pumps and alot of heart palpatations during workouts.
Maybe I just react bad to dbol too. 20 mg (10mg x 2)as part of a stack is gold for me.
Dbol you can feel straight after you take it (1.5-2.5 hours) but wont feel much strength for probably 1.5 weeks or so. Visible size in about 3-4 weeks
These were blue hearts or pink oval shaped dbol that i used in the past
I’d just like to comment that I suffered from cystic type acne whilst on 800mg test per week whilst using shitty research chem adex and prior used 1gram per week with no skin problems whatsoever during the cycle or pct whilst using Adex from another (better) source.