[quote]Silyak wrote:
Wait, so 1200 in multi-ply equals a raw 600lb half squat (maybe 3/4)? Granted he had some good speed so that probably wasn’t a max. But still, I know there are guys here who can squat 600 raw (and actually hit depth).[/quote]
Of all of the dumb comments in this thread, this one is my favorite.
[quote]EasternHammer wrote:
Some of the guys at Outlaws (who actually train alongside Hoff at Westside) said that Hoff is probably good for 750-550-750. So 2050 raw total. [/quote]
I had the closest answer! What do I win?
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]EasternHammer wrote:
Some of the guys at Outlaws (who actually train alongside Hoff at Westside) said that Hoff is probably good for 750-550-750. So 2050 raw total. [/quote]
I had the closest answer! What do I win?[/quote]
You get Hoff’s squat suit so you can get 600# carryover out of it. That or a box of Genuine imitation Cuban cigars. lol
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]EasternHammer wrote:
Some of the guys at Outlaws (who actually train alongside Hoff at Westside) said that Hoff is probably good for 750-550-750. So 2050 raw total. [/quote]
I had the closest answer! What do I win?[/quote]
You get Hoff’s squat suit so you can get 600# carryover out of it. That or a box of Genuine imitation Cuban cigars. lol
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I would rather have his AAS stack for 3 months. That alone would give anyone a 50% total increase.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]EasternHammer wrote:
Some of the guys at Outlaws (who actually train alongside Hoff at Westside) said that Hoff is probably good for 750-550-750. So 2050 raw total. [/quote]
I had the closest answer! What do I win?[/quote]
You get Hoff’s squat suit so you can get 600# carryover out of it. That or a box of Genuine imitation Cuban cigars. lol
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I would rather have his AAS stack for 3 months. That alone would give anyone a 50% total increase.[/quote]
None of these self righteous “RAW” guys would ever take AAS’ because that wouldn’t be “THEM” lifting the weight. It would be “cheating” and stuff. pfft, come on man 
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]EasternHammer wrote:
Some of the guys at Outlaws (who actually train alongside Hoff at Westside) said that Hoff is probably good for 750-550-750. So 2050 raw total. [/quote]
I had the closest answer! What do I win?[/quote]
You get Hoff’s squat suit so you can get 600# carryover out of it. That or a box of Genuine imitation Cuban cigars. lol
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I would rather have his AAS stack for 3 months. That alone would give anyone a 50% total increase.[/quote]
None of these self righteous “RAW” guys would ever take AAS’ because that wouldn’t be “THEM” lifting the weight. It would be “cheating” and stuff. pfft, come on man
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better not drink any protein shakes 'cause that’s cheating, too. Can’t be raw natty if you didn’t masticate it with your own teeth.
There’s a lot of straw men in this thread. The criticism of Hoff is neither the gear he wears or the gear he injects. It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
A lot of you want to make this about something else because his squat depth is indefensible.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
There’s a lot of straw men in this thread. The criticism of Hoff is neither the gear he wears or the gear he injects. It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
A lot of you want to make this about something else because his squat depth is indefensible. [/quote]
Well yeah, but then the thread would be over already.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
There’s a lot of straw men in this thread. The criticism of Hoff is neither the gear he wears or the gear he injects. It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
A lot of you want to make this about something else because his squat depth is indefensible. [/quote]
The original thread was about his raw total before a bunch of people who have lifted less than a year chimed in. You’re the one who claimed people get 600lbs out of polyester material.
[quote]frankjl wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
There’s a lot of straw men in this thread. The criticism of Hoff is neither the gear he wears or the gear he injects. It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
A lot of you want to make this about something else because his squat depth is indefensible. [/quote]
The original thread was about his raw total before a bunch of people who have lifted less than a year chimed in. You’re the one who claimed people get 600lbs out of polyester material.[/quote]
That was just my synopsis of a couple youtube videos that showed Brian Carroll squatting 1185 in gear and 600 raw (and high). Maybe the 600 wasn’t an absolute max, but he did take the trouble of posting it to youtube.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
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Ok, THAT is funny.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]frankjl wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
There’s a lot of straw men in this thread. The criticism of Hoff is neither the gear he wears or the gear he injects. It’s the fact that his squat is higher than Jimi Hendrix.
A lot of you want to make this about something else because his squat depth is indefensible. [/quote]
The original thread was about his raw total before a bunch of people who have lifted less than a year chimed in. You’re the one who claimed people get 600lbs out of polyester material.[/quote]
That was just my synopsis of a couple youtube videos that showed Brian Carroll squatting 1185 in gear and 600 raw (and high). Maybe the 600 wasn’t an absolute max, but he did take the trouble of posting it to youtube. [/quote]
Funny you “took the trouble” of mentioning other people are using a straw man argument and you based your horribly ignorant statement off 2 videos of one lifter that were taken over 2 years apart, especially after Brian had been rehabbing a back injury for the past year.
Don’t make ignorant statements about things you know nothing about.
tiny meeker benched what, 1100? and he says his raw bench is probably in the 500s. so its not impossible that a 1200 squatter gets 4-500+ out of gear and the fact that he squats high as shit. also sam byrd said he got about 450+ from gear. geared guys always try to downplay the effect gear has
It?s not just that you get X amount out of gear. It?s that it?s physically a different lift. Multiply to raw is completely different form and movement patterns. It you take away the support, different judging standards, and force a complete change in technique, it wouldn?t surprise me if some guys dropped almost 50% of the weight.
This thread…
I’m off to squat in my metal Pro briefs to a 14" foam box. Sadly I will get no where near 600# carryover, but my old ass hips will feel better afterwards! lol
StrengthDawg do you know that woman on your Avatar? I need to know that woman unless she is yours and I wouldn’t want to offend.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
While I understand it is the new cool to belittle multi-ply lifters performing in meets with dodgy lifting standards, I’m pretty sure he could total something pretty damn decent without equipment. Probably more than anyone on this site ever will be.[/quote]
Decent, probably. But there are some pretty awesome totals on this site, so I would be skeptical that he could beat them.
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Oh yeah? Who do you think could outlift him? Maybe I missed somebody completely but I’m pretty sure nobody would come close.
Btw, I’m hardly a fan of multi-ply let alone DH but there is no excuse to being an ignorant “hater”.[/quote]
What can he do raw? Not hating just trying to gauge numbers of posters on here.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I would rather have his AAS stack for 3 months. That alone would give anyone a 50% total increase.[/quote]
None of these self righteous “RAW” guys would ever take AAS’ because that wouldn’t be “THEM” lifting the weight. It would be “cheating” and stuff. pfft, come on man
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Pffffffffft - speak for yourself. I’m a raw guy…
Silly thread, Hoff doesn’t lift raw so there’s no sense in even trying to figure it out. It’s about as relevant as asking if Hoff will ever lift in a USAPL meet.
How much does Hoff squat raw? We probably will never know, cos he don’t compete raw. It’s two different sports. Like rugby and NFL. No point comparing the two.
To say anything beyond that is just speculation and interweb fapping.
If you REALLY want to see a mean raw, no gear, walked out, squat to full legal depth (hip crease below top of knee, I mean how hard can it be to see if that condition is met) then just look at the guys who do it all the time.
Ray Willams: Ray Williams, American Record Squat, A Bolt from the Blue - YouTube
You can also check out Blaine Sumner and Michael Tuchscherer.
Dave Hoff? Pfffft. Does he even lift raw? Nope. Go home. Nothin’ more to see here.
[quote]Triceptaurus wrote:
Ray Willams: Ray Williams, American Record Squat, A Bolt from the Blue - YouTube
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Wow, that was a scary walkout on the 860. I thought he was going down.