Interesting thread. Personally I like to have a girl take a fairly aggressive approach if she is interested. I guess a lot of that is because I am pretty shy and definitely have issues with being rejected. I’m guessing they need to practice the art of flirting…and it is an art. That is my problem. I am considered to be very good looking (from what I am told anyway), yet I hardly ever date because I don’t know how to flirt, and I probably am missing all the signs (someone mentioned playing with their hair). I remember Yasmine Bleeth was on Leno a while back and when asked if she dates a lot she said no because guys were afraid to approach her. Anyway my point is ladies, do not be afraid to show a guy that you’re interested in them. Some of us need you to be more direct.
A Girl, have them approach the guys they are interested in. If they are with a group of girls, then let them scope out who they like and go out and talk to the guy alone! I love aggressive women, and would love to meet more of them. Women are independent now more than ever, so stop acting like the “traditional” woman and make a move! Bars and clubs are definitely not quality places to meet someone. All guys who hook up at a club are only looking for sex, so they may not be the best guy. Why not have them approach guys at other places like the grocery store, coffee shop, book store, Wal Mart, etc. I’m a good guy, and I’m not taken. So there are good guys out there. If they are picky, that could be part of the problem.
Before I answer, can I pray for a minute? (dear God…) Are they in Texas??
Ok - Im a 30yo lawyer and can say I agree with pretty much all of my tdawgs posts, especially Chris’. Here are the key points (1) EXPECTATIONS - a HUGE problem today, many women just wont consider a man with any flaws. Its common for, well, average women to insist on tall, good looking and hella cool/fun guys and wind up 30 and alone. I personally would like to be seeing a supermodel (dream/aspiration) but as a normal person I wouldnt pass up any nice normal girl that makes me happy. (2) EFFORT - I go out alot and have very little trouble approaching girls (easy for any guy but another subject) but wont approach more than 2 girls and will wait for an opportunity to approach one of two alone. However, alot of girls, esp gen y, will make this easy for you and will sometimes approach for a light or to talk your sis’ they need to adjust to the market they are in - aloof will not work. Once I approach a girl, all it takes is one sign of indifference or gameplaying that night or in the first few dates and im gone. The girls I stay with usually make quite an effort which is important cause if Im doing all the work I can just go out with my dawgs, have a ball, and maybe meet another girl that wont be as much work. Example - on sat I saw two really attractive girls and a guy was talking to one, I approached the other and she made it like talking to an old friend, insisted I take her number, programmed it into my phone and just hung out and drank in the bar all night round for round. Me and my workout partner (Eazy, another story) left the with them and they were great and looked like Ms Universe entrants but were 22yo scottish girls out for a few months and after leaving the bar/driving them home gave the impression of being a little bit complicated. They were still making an effort and sweet but I dont intend to prove myself to anyone period so instead of ringing Ill just go out again and so on. (3) SCIENCE - You may be able to tell there is science in my approach and, well, its a jungle out there and you sort of need to be a good hunter. Assuming they are clear on what they want they should plan accordingly - professional guys will be out early friday in business districts and they can improve their chances of meeting a type of guy by going to the right places at the right times. In addition, I say guys at work are fine - jobs are easier to come by than good partners and something like 60% of people meet up this way. Finally, assuming mental and physical are in order, spirituality is key. Im not religious but there seems to be an element of “god/the universe” being the provider of partners. In any case, some good spiritial enhancement is key in a good guy meeting vibe.
Based on the very little information provided I can base these opinions in general terms. The local singles scene is a wash and a total waste of time unless thier sole interest is getting laid. If they are interested in finding a relationship with somebody worth while. They should get into activities that engage in constutive projects where the main focus is not based on finding a date. The logic behind this is that going situations aside from the dating scene premote the most crucial element in finding a worthy dating partner; something in common. Examples of such activities are like joining a church softball team, co-ed flag football, habitat for humanity projects, etc. IF you move the focus from seeking a worthy partner, to accomplishing a common goal. This way the parties alway have something to talk about and the relationship can develope from an estblished structure which is not sexually based for the man, or man hunting for the woman. This is not full proof, but it is a better formula for meeting quality mates. Finding the right mate usually happens accidentaly reguardless, but the chances for a “good man” are better in a unified goal oriented situation, versus, the singles or dating scene. You do have to use common sense when joining such activities, make sure they are something you like or want to try and make sure thier are appropriately aged men there. Still no garuantee, just better odds…Sorry foe the long rant…
the first thing they should do is have fun! If you are having fun everybody wants to have fun with you. Now as far as places to meet men. The best place would be probably a martial arts class. Think of it. Probably fifty guys for every woman. None of them drunk at the time. If you find someone attractive you ask for advice on your forms or sparring. The only bad thing is you may end up with Whopper for a brother in law 
But if you want to find a man go to where men are. Also someplace where you will be easily approachable.
In my experience ( I am 51 on Saturday), too many chicks get too big a kick out of humiliating a guy. I live in Northern Ireland, am divorced and single. I am not unattractive and finacially sound etc, and have unbelievable problems meeting girls. When I do, I’d say 5% are interested. Of the rest 30% will politely say goodbye and the remainder will attempt to make a fool of you, especially if their mate is with them. Likewise, the £mate from hell" has to be watched. Try splitting 2 girls up. It is impossible, that could be part of your friends problems. Its weird but lots of ladies I know as friends cant believe that I have so many problems, but equally I am choozey. I for one have never slept with a girl who weighs over about 125lbs neither do I intend to. Equally, my oldest girlfriend was 36 and she seemed ancient. My last was 20, a tad young. Now here is the usual situation where both of these girls are in my age bracket, sound to me very nice and of course live 5,000 miles away. I suppose thats the way the cookie crumbles. AGIRL? Either, or both of your mates fancy a holiday in Ireland? Its easy arranged.
Love from the “old-guy” .John Reynolds
Send them to Sexuality.org and tell them to learn how to flirt. They should also set an amount of people they will talk to that night. Like say 5 people they will walk up to and talk to NO FEAR. Tell them to put fear where it belongs in their pocket they will know where it is and if they feel like being paralysed they can pull it out and quiver in the corner. I do not fear social situations as I am in introvert so I am used to being rejected but I will talk to 5 times as many people as my extroverted friends who care what people think. “Who gives a sheet” I still think it is my first post they are stuck in. That is where the “there are none left” comes from you judge the pack by the goober that approaches you last “bad choice”. Good luck. make it fun see what the coolest way is to get rejected. My favorite was when I approached on woman she said and I quote " I would rather roll around in broken glass then spend another moment talking to you" My response was “So Sex right now is out right”. She laughed and I got her number. If you handle it right anyone is approachable even Charles Manson had some friends.
I go out very frequently and here are some of my own observations.
One your friends are probably attractive, but how attractive do they really think they are. As mentioned earlier a girl wants a guy to accept them for their own faults, but wants mister perfect ie the doctor pretty boy type. No exceptions. So bring your friends into reality and let them know that yes they are attractive, but they are not Nicole Kidman so stop looking for Tom Cruise. Yes its outdated but it makes the point.
2) Going out in groups or even with one other woman is tuff. First does your friend want to or willing to leave her friend alone if she “hooks up”. My guess is no. Groups are tuff because the woman does not want to look like a slut and/or wants to look important in front of her friends. She wants to be bigger than the man approaching her.
Groups and friends also play a big part in prevention. Why? Simply because women HATE and I mean HATE other women. They are jealous beings. I have had more potential phone numbers hook ups etc ruined by a girls friend saying Lets Go, Shes not your type, Leave Us Alone etc. Why because they cannot stand the thought of their friend hooking up and appearing more interesting then they are. I hardly approach groups of women because of this. I once ran into a group of friends who were on a ‘Girls Night Out’. One girl rejected every guy who approached them saying we are just out having fun. This was until a guy approached her when she immediatly left her friends to go dance.
Note I hope this explains the terms ****block and take one for the team.
Finally, if you are a girl let them determine what is attractive and who they want to talk to. If your friend sees a guy in the corner and is thinking about talking to him DO NOT say Hes not your type, unattracive etc. Nothing prevents your friend from talking to somebody more than this. We are naturally attreacted to certain people for physical and mental reasons. Your friends should not sit around and talk about the other men in the bar because if that guy approaches one and the other said he was ugly. I will say right now that even if he is her dream man it will not go any further.
Hope this helps
AGIRL:- What about a reply to my kind offer???
John
John, I have forwarded the responses to my friends, I’ll let you know if they are interested in a fiesty Irishman.
Here is something I can’t understand. I finally start being a little more assertive lately and start approaching women (since I haven’t been proactive in this at all). I have great conversations with them which last about an hour or so, I ask for their phone number…no problem. I give them my number also. I wait 2-3 days and call. It turns out to be a cell number and the phone is turned off. Before you know it, I’ve called 3 times, then it’s Friday and I feel stupid calling them so close to the weekend and I just stop. I don’t understand. This has happened twice in the last three weeks. It seemed like we hit it off. If a girl doesn’t want you to have her number, she should politely decline when asked (or lie or something).
Eric, ask if their cell has voice mail when you get the #, also remember to ask when is the best time to call.
Okay, here’s a little more. (1) What Dre said. (2) That point about equivalent educational levels was right on. (3) Sounds like some kind of weird joke, but if they’re just looking for “someone steady to hang out with and sleep with”, it may very well be that the guys they are going for (I’m guessing upper 30’s or lower 40’s) want something different, i.e. marriage. Ain’t that a kick in the pants? Personally (oh lord, I never thought I’d say this), I’m tired of dating. Yep, been there, done that, and now I’m looking for something more permamnent. So if I don’t think that a woman is on the same wavelength, or if there’s some potential, hey, hasta la vista. Doesn’t mean that we can’t be friends or whatever, but let’s face it: if I just wanted someone to hang around and have sex with, I’d probably hook up with someone in, say, their mid-20s. Less hassle, more fun. And if they don’t have their own money, so what? It’s the younger guys who make a big deal out of it if a woman doesn’t pull her own financial weight. I think this is mostly because they just don’t have that much moolah at that time of life. Also, people who are a little older started dating at a time when it was still expected that the guy would pay, so it doesn’t bother us. (4) If your sisters or friends (which is it?) can travel to Ireland, they can certainly come out the other way to Japan. I’m younger than John, and undoubtedly better looking! (Just pulling your chain, John…) 
They are friends of mine who are sisters to each other. Sorry I guess I didn’t make that clear. Ok so here’s what we’ve got so far…go alone to a place where there are lots of men, but not a bar,smile and make encouraging eye contact,dress slutty but not too slutty,approach the professional looking guy of your choice and communicate that you are interested in a LTR.
LOL! Sounds like I should tell them to put on their finest spandex, and go to Golds, or Ballys on meatmarket night and ask some guy to be their personal trainer!!! Just kidding, thanks for all the advice so far guys.
Chris:- Better looking than the “old-lad”, I doubt it. Anyway, some say that looks don’t count, but I actually believe they do. This chemical attraction thing has to include looks as well as including all else. I have never dated a girl I did not like the look of (other than a few “blind” dates). I make the effort to always look my best (even though it takes a while LOL!!)and I expect the chick to do the same. In fact I make the effort throughout the date and again I expect the same in return. Maybe I expect to much!! I am a giver as well as a reciever and I think thats the way it should be. OK, I digress - back to the dating game. John
A Girl- Thanks, I’ll try that.
Gotta chime in one more time to say amen to Chris. Dont mean to offend anyone but my view is that if a girl isnt looking for something serious by her thirties something is amiss. That one is a definite hasta la vista situation but I also add the career party girl to that category - if a girl wants me to take them to pubs and clubs all the time because they need to go out and cant imagine life after that then all the best but … I can also say Ive been jealous and posessive in the past and thought being single would change that but from new experiences can see that a good looking girl (its superficial but these are the ones I get into relationships with) is a target for men in clubs, at work and in “male friend” relationships and should not be lead into temptation unnecessarily (did anyone follow that??) Anyway Ive been over partying and dating and sex for the sake of it for so long that I have realised that I have developed the following positives (a) what else is a single man to do ;)(b) you have to admit it brings a smile here and there that makes it worthwhile and (c) I’ve been wondering if Id feel the same if I met mrs right but even if I did Id be grateful for every minute of my single life. You only live once :).