@darkdescartes
I don’t remember the episode but on the Joe Rogan podcast he had a doctor on that spoke all about the effects that Marijuana has on neurotransmitters. If I remember correctly it raises dopamine for the first 3 or so months but after that starts doing the opposite and lowers it. He was explaining why when people that don’t normally smoke get all giggly and can’t stop laughing vs those with a build up tolerance having a totally different experience. It also keeps you from entering certain sleep cycles which effects all kinds of things after a while.
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Pardon me, but what else exactly would you smoke? I’m going to Amsterdam soon for around four days (and then for another day or two later on) and clearly I need to update my doob etiquette. I’m familiar with cannabis flower, hash and dab pens (which are horrible, tried one at a wedding and coughed for like fifteen minutes, the respiratory irritation was immense) before dancing hysterically in tune to music for like thirty minutes with random people. I’m well aware of the limited knowledge we have in relation to the pharmacodynamics of cannabis, effects on neurotransmission, risks etc. Regardless, hash/flower and whatever is in the pens are all derived from the flower/plant. Cannabis certainly isn’t for everyone, I’ve seen a myriad of different responses within individuals ranging from calm too energetic to paranoid to outright acute psychosis.
I’ve been a regular doobster (or otherwise I should probably say… loser) for nearly a year now (and by regular I mean using every 2-4 weeks, although I did use once weekly for a three week stretch and rather frequently for a one week period last time I was overseas) however haven’t used for about 7-8 weeks now). What exactly induced a profound change within relation to the way you reacted to the compound, I still find it’s sparsely different from the very first time I tried (the second time I tried, the compound was laced with PCP, talk about reason to regulate the compound…) I figured almost immediately “this isn’t what cannabis feels like at all” as I’d tried it once prior. Doesn’t count as me trying PCP (as I’d NEVER do that, was a complete accident). Friends have said using psychedelics has permanently altered their response to cannabis, and that sometimes weed alone can induce a trip/heightened sense of anxiety, goes to show we need FAR more research in relation to the long term effects psychedelics can elicit on neurology. We know these psychoactive substances elict far more damage when used by younger cohorts (specifically below age 17 for cannabis, though residual negative effect can be induced if under 25 as prefrontal cortex development is still occurring, though likely not nearly as severe comparative to ethanol, a substance of which the majority of 16-18 year olds here use extensively due to sociocultural encouragement and horrific acceptance towards binge drinking here.
Out of curiosity, if you didn’t enjoy cannabis, used weekly, still didn’t enjoy it… why would you progress to daily?
I found it depends, certain times I’d find myself amped up, hysterically laughing and wanting to go out/talk to others energetically for hours on end, other times I’d chill out with some Deep Purple or something and vegetate like an absolute loser for a couple hours, eating potato chips and other salty/oily and pro-atherogenic foods. Independent of strain name, as an unregulated market, massive variation in genetics imposes dramatic variability within the cannabinoid and terpene profiles present within types given the same name. I think much of the time (aside from legitimate dispensaries and whatnot) strain names are BS, and the guy selling it to you will name it whatever simply in order to sell more, perhaps I’m wrong though. The guys who grow their own probably have more in relation to quality control
decreases REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, many using doob regularly notice an absence of dreams, the rebound increase in rem sleep post discontinuation of use can induce fairly vivid dreams. I’ve never noticed this as I’ve never used frequently enough too eliict such negative effect
Joe Rogan has used DMT (dimethyltriptamine), that’s pretty wild I guess, from what I’ve heard from those who have tried it, it appears terrifying/awesome. Imagine such an experience, how can one come back to reality after supposedly experiencing transversing dimensions and interpersonally connecting with space and time itself…
Sounds like a fascinating, eye opening experience, but the concept of never coming back or being irreparably changed in relation to outlook on life (whether positive or negative) from one mere 15 minute experience is a frightening thought!
I don’t smoke anymore lol
My apologies for the typos, i tend to write this up on my phone and these words never seem to come out too clean.
I find the actual smoke part to be just as, if not more addicting than the cannabis itself. There’s something enjoyable about putting something to your mouth and inhaling the way 1 would with weed or cigarettes, even though i don’t smoke them.
I did move on to wine and will have a glass, but i do wonder if i should drop that as well and just go completely sober, heavily debating it in my mind.
I used to be the same way. Big pot head in college and post. Was fun, etc.
Now it just makes me anxious and overanalyze things. Not good feelings.
Over time the mere act of smoking initiates reward pathways within the brain as it becomes associated with a feeling of euphoria, hence why the act can be addictive within itself.
If you started smoking herbal cigarettes and only ever smoked herbal cigarettes (without progressing to nicotine, cannabis or other psychoactive drugs) chances are such a reward pathway wouldn’t be created in relation to the act of smoking
As to wine, all things in moderation. Are you drinking daily? Is one glass enough to elicit any kind of effect (I rarely drink, however for reasons unknown, potentially a mutation within enzymes responsible for metabolizing alcohol… my tolerance is extremely, extremely, EXTREMELY high for someone who rarely drinks), say 5-6 full glasses of wine minimum before I’d begin to feel anything at all.
That being said, a lack of perceivable intoxication doesn’t indicate a lack of organ strain, this in terms of use as an intoxicant, alcohol (whilst already very damaging) is (probably) immensely, immensely damaging for me when used for recreation
I believe the last time I was “drunk/tipsy” was… probably about 12 weeks ago (July if I recall correctly)
I feel like I’m going to regret posting this. It’s a very hard experience to describe. Like explaining sight to a blind man (they can’t visualize concepts). For me it was very intense at first. Almost like I was in a space shuttle blasting through the atmosphere at a gazillion miles an hour and I felt a little sick but after a while you reach space and you are slowed down floating and it’s fun but still intense. I saw myself (didn’t look like me but I knew it was me) and that version of me basically told me to recalibrate my life (although they told me that using colors and shapes). There was a bunch of other shit but that’s the part I can somewhat explain without sounding like a total lunatic. I quit IV opiates that day, got out of a miserable relationship and two weeks later moved from the poorest county in the South to NYC (having never been there before and knowing no one). I went from wasting my life on the verge of death to the top real estate agent in a well known Agency within 18 months. It’s like it reset my mind in the same way you reset your computer to factory settings. You’re the same person but without 10 yrs of crap on your desktop.
It’s not something I tell many folks because I know how nuts this sounds.
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Oh dude you live in NYC? Me too!
I’ve done DMT several times and i actually have a baggy from a couple of years ago still sitting in the same corner of my room.
My DMT guy hit big on Bitcoin since he bought in early 2011-2012, bought a house in PA and has stopped his psychedelic business.
It’s literally transporting to another dimension it feels like. I’ve done it several times and felt like each time i could’ve gone deeper.
The thing with DMT is you have to let it take you. If you hesitate or resist, you kinda stay stuck where you are and only get the partial experience.
I’ll definitely do this last baggy again. I feel like my unbalanced hormones have caused anxiety issues whilst on DMT. Once i get that solved, i think i’ll take that final trip, at least until i find another source lol
I spent the last 8 years in NYC but just moved to New Orleans a couple months ago to be closer to family.
There’s a group in Harlem that hosts guided DMT parties where you can go and do it under the supervision of someone with a lot of experience so that you get the most from it. I only tried it the one time but if I was going to do it again I would definitely do that.
God damn @dextermorgan and @darkdescartes - that shit sounds intense. I’ve done acid about 40 times and a bunch of other recreational drugs… But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a different version of myself telling myself to get myself together. I thought I transformed into a caveman one time, seen a bunch of shit melt into itself and had ceilings drip on me… But damn, DMT sounds next level.
I did acid one time in college to know NOT FOR ME. Christ. Horrible experience.
Ecstacy on the other hand I did 8 or so times. Amazing.
And I wanted to commend you for this @dextermorgan. This is no small thing and you should be really proud. I have family that couldn’t do this who are no longer with me as a result.
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Whose tried mescaline? Cause that sucked.
Guys I have a tip on making weed actually feel good. First I want to say that every single time I smoked weed from high school or college or as an adult it was instant panic attack without exception. One toke. Bam. Extreme panic attack.
I tried again recently and using a vaporizer like a PAX or Mighty etc and taking just one big toke was a game changer. It felt nothing like the usual paranoia. It actually felt good. Euphoric. Exctacy like. Here’s the trick. Take one toke only and wait half an hour. Once your receptors are somehow adapted you can vape as much as you want after that half hour pause. Zero chance of anxiety.
Man I miss acid, mushrooms and E sometimes. Those were fun times even when they probably shouldn’t have been.
TRT RTR (Road To Recovery) Log Week 14
Shot number 2 of 100mg e5d protocol tomorrow.
The crazy libido in the middle of night has stopped, no surprise there. It seems to be a common theme, especially when something changes.
Still can’t decipher if it’s positive or negative and its aggravating. I still have a tendency to search the forums, looking for answers but i know part of the puzzle involves waiting. It’s frustrating living my life not as my best self.
@unreal24278 I believe mentioned something about herbal cigarettes. I searched them up seeing if they’re good, or should i say minimally harmful but it doesn’t seem to be the case. The tar from ingesting that plant matter is carcinogenic, plus id assume it would incinerate your throat upon inhale.
I stumbled across hemp and found its CBD oil in flower form. I thought that could be a good substitute, it could satisfy that smoking urge and i dont have to worry about the psychoactive effects of being high.
I bought 2 packs on amazon from a well reviewed seller. They were supposed to arrive in a week and they came in 2 days, fuck yeah.
I took 4 pulls as i was pulling out of the deli lot from picking up a bacon, egg and cheese. I gotta say its a light buzz, it almost feels like the come down from getting high without the grogginess, does feel pretty soothing, not bad.
However, it does still feel like smoking weed to an extent and it’s technically breaking the detox. I’ve been clean for 10 days including today and I must say the urge to smoke hasn’t been there since the 3rd/4th day i quit. I’ve been at work during the latter part of this week and smoking hasn’t crossed my mind.
I’d rather not open that pandoras box and i still want to detox and keep my word as it pertains to not smoking until i finally fix my hormones. I’ll keep these in a jar to stay fresh in the meantime.
Overall, not much to say hormonally speaking. All i can really do is stick this out for 8+ weeks and hope that shit gets progressively better throughout.
Hoping around week 3-4 and i can finally say things are getting better, but i must exercise the virtue of patience and push through.
Until next week, see you then!
Just keep in mind that quitting Marijuana will have effects short term that you have to get through. I smoked every second of every day for 7 straight years and quit (10+ years ago). It took a few months to get where I never wanted to smoke again because I felt so much better and had much more energy. It takes a while for shit like dopamine to build back up. The good thing is it gets better and better with time.
Yeah dude, i def know its quite a long road ahead.
I read that it can take anywhere from 3, 6 to 12 months for a full dopamine receptor recovery!
I’d rather not hamper my libido recovery 1 bit with hemp. Maybe it wouldn’t, especially since the packaging does say 0% THC, but still isn’t worth it.
Sleeping has been the hardest thus far; been getting a consistent 3-4 hours per night and it hasn’t been that restful. Feeling tired and out of it. At work i wasn’t smooth in the least bit yesterday, was fucking a bit too much.
But like you said, I’ll feel better and better with time.
Gotta do the right thing and take it day by day.
Here’s what I take before bed that really helps with sleep
400mg magnesium GLYCINATE
500mg tryptophan
2.5mg melatonin
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Anybody else felt tired on injection day whether starting out or after a protocol change?
Took my shot and needed to sleep an extra 2 1/2 hours after waking up