While I do agree the message of the post is the integral part - It’s starting to piss me off that people are describing what’s NOT OCD as being OCD. Get yo facts straight.
I think we all have this to some degree. People who have it the least and can see things the most clearly make the most progress. Prof x comes to mind as someone who has a talent for seeing through the fog with a laser pointer.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
There are tons of OCD folks on the boards, but if you ask me, some of the authors who write articles for the site are just as bad, if not worse.[/quote]
I vote for worse. One clearly fears any weight gain at all and proceeds to instill the same fear and over-analysis to newbies.
[quote]Skinless wrote:
It seems its hard to get people to just fucking get under the bar.
People worry about the most miniscule things.
“should I get 24 or 25 1/2 grams of protein post workout?”
“When I do flat dumbbell flys should I supinate my forearms to hit the deep muscle fast twitch fibers?”
Or some dumb shit like that.
Its easy. Keep is heavy and simple. EAT!.
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I have doubts as to people like that even having what it takes to significantly change the way they look. Some people have it and some don’t. The guys sitting at home for two years reading articles before they ever actually start working out DO NOT have it.
I actually vote for kicking more of these types to the curb quickly so we can make time for people who will actually make others say, “damn” in 12 months.
If some guy is focused on whether that last set was 6 reps instead of 7 as opposed to whether the overall weight is going up, they should be kicked off the bus.
I personally am not one who believes everyone has it in them. The ones who do show it quickly. The rest will look basically the same next year and the year after that in spite of making hundreds of posts focused on shit that doesn’t really matter.
Not to disagree with what mr doggcrapp is saying, but in terms of T-Nation.com, this sort of affliction is actually fostered as a tangent to their business. It sorta has to be.
So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that you know, it exists, and all.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Not to disagree with what mr doggcrapp is saying, but in terms of T-Nation.com, this sort of affliction is actually fostered as a tangent to their business. It sorta has to be.
So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that you know, it exists, and all.[/quote]
No surprise at all. I would imagine this site apparently attracts these types because these are the ones yelling, “GREAT ARTICLE!!” and “JUST WHAT I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!” after every single one of them. The majority of these newbies don’t even need to be reading most of the content on this site because it will only confuse them. They will assume they actually NEED to worry about whether their post workout protein shake has EXACTLY 50gr of carbs in it…as if they won’t make progress without turning every workout into a high school science project.
Then they wonder why they burn out so quickly. Gee, could it be because you never learned how to enjoy this at all? If working out has now become like doing college level Calculus II, exactly how long will most of the people stick with it?
It works great for selling supplements to newbies though.
I like - well, actually LOVE - what he wrote about Scott Abel. The man’s articles have always been extremely unenjoyable and unreadable to me. Dante speaks of exactly what he does: writes about how great he is and how everyone else sucks or doesn’t know how to training correctly - including Dorian YATES!
I couldn’t help but laugh when Scott wrote that Dorian trained his back the wrong way. 
I learned a lot from T-Nation and from the articles here. I think the intensemuscle site would be too much for me as a beginner. They assume you know a lot from the start.
I think what we as a civilization have lost is a critical mind and self-reliance. It’s as if everyone has to have an idol and are desperately looking for the next guru to pray to. Please spoon-feed me the truth of the day!
I don’t buy into everything in the DC style but I am now faithfully following it to give it a chance. And it’s working so far very good. That’s all.
Be your own judge is all I’m saying I guess.
If what you are doing isn’t working why continue with the same? Reversely for what is working, just continue
funmetal
For: consistant consideration
Beyond being aware of the basics, this entire thing is trial and error anyway.
The problem with the ADD newbies is that they never get to the trial part, so what are they left with?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Beyond being aware of the basics, this entire thing is trial and error anyway.
The problem with the ADD newbies is that they never get to the trial part, so what are they left with?[/quote]
Most people who don’t learn form the errors are left with their own weaknesses. But are easily brushed away, something called cognitive dissonance.
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Beyond being aware of the basics, this entire thing is trial and error anyway.
The problem with the ADD newbies is that they never get to the trial part, so what are they left with?
Most people who don’t learn form the errors are left with their own weaknesses. But are easily brushed away, something called cognitive dissonance.[/quote]
Thanks.
People don’t want to hear that it’s basic. It’s like dieting.
I’ve lost 60 pounds of fat. People ask me how. I used to talk about it. Now I change the subject.
The answer is pretty simple: If you have more than 20 pounds to lose, it’s not like you don’t have terrible dieting habits. So just knock out some junk. Make progression.
Then you tell people that it will YEARS to lose the amount of fat they are carrying. So they don’t want to hear that.
People want to hear that you took a pill or did something magical that caused fat to fall out without any effort.
It’s the same thing with building muscle. “You mean the answer is that I need SHOW UP, train hard, eat 6 times a day - even when I’m not hungry - ingest a lot of protein, walk around sore many days of the week due to hard training… Um… Can’t I just take a pill?”
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I’ve lost 60 pounds of fat. People ask me how. I used to talk about it. Now I change the subject.
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Me too, everyone wants a magic secret. Sure I did a lot of things people here do, eat 5 times a day, get lots of protein, make my own meals, but it’s pointless they just pick out one thing I said and say “oh i’ll do that”.
So now when they say “what’s your secret” i say “discipline”
There’s no way I should be level 4, and most of that was from 92-94. I guess it’s just lessons learned, don’t be like I was. Brick and Prof’s posts have really helped slap sense into me that i just need to eat and lift intensely first and foremost before I even think about anything else, and that will probably be for at least the next 12 months.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I couldn’t help but laugh when Scott wrote that Dorian trained his back the wrong way. :)[/quote]
I never understood how/WHY people would say things like that. Saying Dorian trained his back the wrong way is simple retarded.
I could see people saying that if Dorian was not making progress for years upon years. But we all know that is simply not true.
His back was one of the best ever seen.
Its like saying Andy Bolton deadlifts the wrong way.
[quote]Skinless wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
I couldn’t help but laugh when Scott wrote that Dorian trained his back the wrong way.
I never understood how/WHY people would say things like that. Saying Dorian trained his back the wrong way is simple retarded.
I could see people saying that if Dorian was not making progress for years upon years. But we all know that is simply not true.
His back was one of the best ever seen.
Its like saying Andy Bolton deadlifts the wrong way.[/quote]
Shit, you see it daily on youtube.
Bodybuilders with 22" arms are apparently training “wrong” because they swing a little…because 22" arms are so common.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Skinless wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
I couldn’t help but laugh when Scott wrote that Dorian trained his back the wrong way.
I never understood how/WHY people would say things like that. Saying Dorian trained his back the wrong way is simple retarded.
I could see people saying that if Dorian was not making progress for years upon years. But we all know that is simply not true.
His back was one of the best ever seen.
Its like saying Andy Bolton deadlifts the wrong way.
Shit, you see it daily on youtube.
Bodybuilders with 22" arms are apparently training “wrong” because they swing a little…because 22" arms are so common.[/quote]
Ah hell, youtube.
“Ronnie would be even bigger and stronger if he used proper form on his barbell rows…” WTF.
Anyone who comments on a youtube clip is a douchebag.
I don’t even read them anymore.
OP that was a quality post right there.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
There are tons of OCD folks on the boards, but if you ask me, some of the authors who write articles for the site are just as bad, if not worse.
I vote for worse. One clearly fears any weight gain at all and proceeds to instill the same fear and over-analysis to newbies.[/quote]
Ah, but I was not referring to that “author.”
The two I have in mind make a killing with their minutia-obsession.