Got my own thoughts (and feedback having spoken to several “in” folks in fitness modelling) about supposed “all natural” fitness models (or anyone having to make MONEY off their physique) so I’m jaded. But do not want a firestorm (: [/quote]
I’m with ya. I am a realist and understand that it is a cut throat industry and eventually MOST, not all, will have to utilize some form of PED to stay competitive. Just don’t say you are life time natural and then get caught using. If you are going to go enhanced then just keep silent on your position of using them so you don’t look like an ass when you get caught.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
…He doesn’t look like Dan Green but I’m positive if he put his mind to it he could… [/quote]
Nope, sorry… there is absolutely no way that even this amazing world record holder and powerlifter could possibly ever look like Dan Green without “assistance”. It is not realistic at all to think or say such a thing.
BTW: Ryan “Six-Pack” Lapadat’s 2008 National RAW Powerlifting Record for the Strict Curl of 65 kg in the Open 82.5 kg Class is one of the smoothest curls I have ever seen.
I have hit a brick wall at 62.5kg for the past year and at a slightly heavier weight… his 65kg curl looks ridiculously easy.[/quote]
Have no idea if this dude’s natural, nor do I care, but you can’t say you “know” anything. You “know” what he tells you. You used Skip LaCour as an example of natural. Guess you didn’t hear that he got busted for selling steroids huh? If someone is making money off of their body, you can bet they’re juicing. It’s really that simple. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying and why you would say it, but, I don’t think we can throw out a blanket statement. I don’t necessarily care one way or the other either, unless they make claims that they are natural and always have been. And then get busted, doh
I understand that this may be the exception to the rule but isn’t Kelechi Opara natural? He makes money off his body. A body that would easily allow one to make an assumption of PED usage. I know we are getting off track here but I just wanted to put that out there.
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You will always be making a leap of faith when assuming someone who looks like that is natural. Doesn’t matter what he’s claimed, or how many drug tests he’s taken. It’s not even worth discussing at this point, as this has been re-hashed ad-nauseum in ‘the limits saga’, starring Prof X and Utah Lama.[/quote]
You mean you aren’t eager to max out the page count on this thread over the next three or four days?
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
This is the world we live in where bashing other people helps people feel better about themselves. I’ve acomplished so maney goals people said I couldn’t, and than when I got there, they had excuses why I acomplished these things. My buisness sucsess came from hard work, but I’ve heard things like drug dealing, family money, money laundering.(lol)
Physically I’ve done a couple meets, and I’m bigger than the average gym goer, when guys ask me how, and I say 20yrs of hard work, people laugh, and say more like an ass full of juice.(lol) I’ve learned to be happy about this, about living in a world full of excuse giving lemmings, makes it easy for a guy with a bit of drive like me to stand out, and get ahead. Anyone in this world thats acomplished anything above average knows what I’m talking about, because they’ve delt with negative people trying to pull them down.
CT put up an impressive pic of Dan Green, give me inspiration, somthing to strive for (even at 40) but the lemmings start spewing excuses. I’m done with this thread by the way, good luck to all[/quote]
? No one “bashed” anybody. People made comments based on logic and reason, and you got defensive and responded wirh a passive aggressive, whiney and emotional post. Good luck with that.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
…He doesn’t look like Dan Green but I’m positive if he put his mind to it he could… [/quote]
Nope, sorry… there is absolutely no way that even this amazing world record holder and powerlifter could possibly ever look like Dan Green without “assistance”. It is not realistic at all to think or say such a thing.
BTW: Ryan “Six-Pack” Lapadat’s 2008 National RAW Powerlifting Record for the Strict Curl of 65 kg in the Open 82.5 kg Class is one of the smoothest curls I have ever seen.
I have hit a brick wall at 62.5kg for the past year and at a slightly heavier weight… his 65kg curl looks ridiculously easy.[/quote]
Have no idea if this dude’s natural, nor do I care, but you can’t say you “know” anything. You “know” what he tells you. You used Skip LaCour as an example of natural. Guess you didn’t hear that he got busted for selling steroids huh? If someone is making money off of their body, you can bet they’re juicing. It’s really that simple. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying and why you would say it, but, I don’t think we can throw out a blanket statement. I don’t necessarily care one way or the other either, unless they make claims that they are natural and always have been. And then get busted, doh
I understand that this may be the exception to the rule but isn’t Kelechi Opara natural? He makes money off his body. A body that would easily allow one to make an assumption of PED usage. I know we are getting off track here but I just wanted to put that out there.
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You’re proving my point for me. He claims he’s natural, but what does that really mean? I’ll give you a hint: it don’t mean shit. Juicing doesn’t take away from his hard work, dedication or genetic gifts. It just means he was smart enough to bring a gun to the gunfight.
[quote] He was smart enough to bring a gun to the gunfight.
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This
Honestly if I was in my twenties or older and my sincere goal was to resemble Dan Green in either his strength or his looks I would not even hesitate to use performance enhancing substances on top of lots of hard work.
I sometimes wonder if TNation has changed it’s attitude on being a pro steroid and “dangerously hardcore” page with members dragging down one of the top powerlifter just because he MIGHT use PEDs. That simply sucks.
By the way: Dan looks fucking badass. Cannonball delts and strong relation to Thor.
[quote]Jamesliftsheavy wrote:
Dan Green is a known steroid user. It is the nature of the game if you want to be on top of a strength sport. I hope whoever reads this thread doesn’t put his physique or strength on a pedestal and think that they can hope to reach his levels (especially in strength). Furthermore his training is nothing revolutionary, although not much is any more since what works has stood the test of time and what doesn’t has been cast out…
Seriously I know that he doesn’t really train for body building but in terms of a steroid physique he is nothing special. If you look at the any one of the gazillion workout magazines you will find several people with much better physiques and power looks.
It’s so disheartening that this industry has people flock to these drug abusers as gurus for fitness advice and idols for the ideal physique when the usually know much less than a clean person who has achieved a high level natural physique or strength…
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LOL
Just LOL
You sir win the award for dumbest post on T-Nation (no small feat mind you).
So you are saying that we should not be able to learn from anybody who is/has been assisted.
Well I guess Dave Tate and John Meadows are out.
Btw…Dan is one of the developers of the Juggernaut method…one of the most popular training methods to come out in the last few years.
"Thanks man, currently I’m training with no belt or wraps on leg days, just trying to hit reps on the squat and deads, which I’m training conventional currently. For bench, I’m doing my standard day with a bar with paused reps and then touch and go reps, but I’ve also added a second chest day that is for mass which is just low incline DB presses followed by flyes. The thing that’s helped me most with the squatting has to be front squats.
My basic split is:
M: squat no belt, paused squats (closer stance/high bar), stiff leg deads
T: DB bench, DB flyes, DB rows
W: front squats
TH: rest
F: conv. deads, deficit deads, stiff leg deads
SA: rest
SU: Paused bench, touch and go bench, DB laterals"
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
This is the world we live in where bashing other people helps people feel better about themselves. I’ve acomplished so maney goals people said I couldn’t, and than when I got there, they had excuses why I acomplished these things. My buisness sucsess came from hard work, but I’ve heard things like drug dealing, family money, money laundering.(lol)
Physically I’ve done a couple meets, and I’m bigger than the average gym goer, when guys ask me how, and I say 20yrs of hard work, people laugh, and say more like an ass full of juice.(lol) I’ve learned to be happy about this, about living in a world full of excuse giving lemmings, makes it easy for a guy with a bit of drive like me to stand out, and get ahead. Anyone in this world thats acomplished anything above average knows what I’m talking about, because they’ve delt with negative people trying to pull them down.
CT put up an impressive pic of Dan Green, give me inspiration, somthing to strive for (even at 40) but the lemmings start spewing excuses. I’m done with this thread by the way, good luck to all[/quote]
You’re almost as stupid as the people saying “oh it’s all steroids.”
Anyone with a brain knows that everyone at the top level of a sport like that is on alot of shit, that’ DOES NOT take away from their accomplishments. That being said you’re delusional or retarded if you believe that’s achievable naturally.
Dan green is one of my favorite lifters and I don’t care that he uses because as has been mentioned before in this thread, thousands of people use steroids and 99% don’t even come close to him
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
In this thread, I found out that anyone can lift an look like Dan Green with drugs and that he’s not really that impressive.
facepalm[/quote]
That is the power of desensitization of the internet! Because we see thousands of pictures of mutant pro bodybuilders, a guy with a very muscular, but more athletic body like Green doesn’t look big to those who live on the internet.
The weird thing is that they mostly likely never saw anyone with anywhere close to that build in real life/person and probably never will.
Kinda remind me of a bunch of virgin teenagers in one of their parent’s basement arguing that Katie Perry really isn’t all that hot and that they would never “do her”…
Or a guy who never played sport yelling that Albert Pujols is a fraud who doesn’t know how to play ball while watching TV with his “buds”
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
In this thread, I found out that anyone can lift an look like Dan Green with drugs and that he’s not really that impressive.
facepalm[/quote]
That is the power of desensitization of the internet! Because we see thousands of pictures of mutant pro bodybuilders, a guy with a very muscular, but more athletic body like Green doesn’t look big to those who live on the internet.
The weird thing is that they mostly likely never saw anyone with anywhere close to that build in real life/person and probably never will.
Kinda remind me of a bunch of virgin teenagers in one of their parent’s basement arguing that Katie Perry really isn’t all that hot and that they would never “do her”…
Or a guy who never played sport yelling that Albert Pujols is a fraud who doesn’t know how to play ball while watching TV with his “buds”[/quote]
I 100% agree. It is simply asinine, and a lack of real perception.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
In this thread, I found out that anyone can lift an look like Dan Green with drugs and that he’s not really that impressive.
facepalm[/quote]
That is the power of desensitization of the internet! Because we see thousands of pictures of mutant pro bodybuilders, a guy with a very muscular, but more athletic body like Green doesn’t look big to those who live on the internet.
The weird thing is that they mostly likely never saw anyone with anywhere close to that build in real life/person and probably never will.
Kinda remind me of a bunch of virgin teenagers in one of their parent’s basement arguing that Katie Perry really isn’t all that hot and that they would never “do her”…
Or a guy who never played sport yelling that Albert Pujols is a fraud who doesn’t know how to play ball while watching TV with his “buds”[/quote]
I 100% agree. It is simply asinine, and a lack of real perception.[/quote]
“It is really depressing though to realize that I’ll never look like that without his ‘other training secret’.” Seriously? Depressing? I’m no stranger to depression, but this one bothers me not at all.
Think about it this way… what if you already looked like Nate, CT, Vernon Davis, CJ Spiller…?
Then what? Would you be satisfied? Would you chalk it up as a project well done and find some other pursuit? Put your training on maintenance dose and hone your frisbee golf game? Your regular golf game? Spend your time strutting your goal physique around facebook, intimidating men and wooing women? If you answer yes, i just can’t identify with your mindset. (Actually golf is pretty bad ass, but you get my point)
The journey not the destination, progress not perfection… cliches, but the beauty behind training with weights is that you can measurably improve, week in week out. You will never look like Nate Green. You will look like you–an incrementally better and better you. After 10-15+ years of mistakes and successes with the iron, you’ll probably be a better you on the inside too.
yea, he was around for a little while, made a video with Thibs a few years ago if I remember correctly. Not awe-inspiring the way Dan Green is, but certainly a respectable physique.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
In this thread, I found out that anyone can lift an look like Dan Green with drugs and that he’s not really that impressive.
facepalm[/quote]
pictures are deceiving you cant tell how thick a person is from pictures on a computer. guys like Dan green and MODOK bench press 485 but I would not guess that from pics.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
“It is really depressing though to realize that I’ll never look like that without his ‘other training secret’.” Seriously? Depressing? I’m no stranger to depression, but this one bothers me not at all.
Think about it this way… what if you already looked like Nate, CT, Vernon Davis, CJ Spiller…?
Then what? Would you be satisfied? Would you chalk it up as a project well done and find some other pursuit? Put your training on maintenance dose and hone your frisbee golf game? Your regular golf game? Spend your time strutting your goal physique around facebook, intimidating men and wooing women? If you answer yes, i just can’t identify with your mindset. (Actually golf is pretty bad ass, but you get my point)
The journey not the destination, progress not perfection… cliches, but the beauty behind training with weights is that you can measurably improve, week in week out. You will never look like Nate Green. You will look like you–an incrementally better and better you. After 10-15+ years of mistakes and successes with the iron, you’ll probably be a better you on the inside too. [/quote]
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
In this thread, I found out that anyone can lift an look like Dan Green with drugs and that he’s not really that impressive.
facepalm[/quote]
pictures are deceiving you cant tell how thick a person is from pictures on a computer. guys like Dan green and MODOK bench press 485 but I would not guess that from pics.[/quote]
That is such an important point. Furthermore, not all pictures are comparable. People do not realize how difficult it is to take a really good physique shot. If the light is not in the proper spot it will completely flatten out your physique or wash out all definition. In the first case making you look a lot smaller, in the second a lot fatter. That’s why bodybuilding photographers actually charge quite a bit of money.
If you can look impressive in a “average bathroom pic” then you are a monster!
