[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
elano wrote:
I’m with Modi, why not spend the last 10 minutes of a training day or two per week hitting the muscles that don’t get much attention from basic lifts? Bicepts and calvfs, no need to train them like a bodybuilder but hell just throw in some preachers once or twice a week.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=95738&tid=126
Calves, you say?[/quote]
umm we all like a top less shot of matt now and then but what was the relevance?
Shoulders are still more functional in PLing than biceps.
[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
Shoulders are still more functional in PLing than biceps.[/quote]
Biceps don’t do shit except look cool. Unfortunately looking cool is very necessary.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
elano wrote:
I’m with Modi, why not spend the last 10 minutes of a training day or two per week hitting the muscles that don’t get much attention from basic lifts? Bicepts and calvfs, no need to train them like a bodybuilder but hell just throw in some preachers once or twice a week.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=95738&tid=126
Calves, you say?
umm we all like a top less shot of matt now and then but what was the relevance?[/quote]
Probably his big ass calves.
[quote]conorh wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Shoulders are still more functional in PLing than biceps.
Biceps don’t do shit except look cool. Unfortunately looking cool is very necessary.[/quote]
Biceps are important for bench pressing to stabalize the weight.
[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
elano wrote:
I’m with Modi, why not spend the last 10 minutes of a training day or two per week hitting the muscles that don’t get much attention from basic lifts? Bicepts and calvfs, no need to train them like a bodybuilder but hell just throw in some preachers once or twice a week.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=95738&tid=126
Calves, you say
umm we all like a top less shot of matt now and then but what was the relevance?
Probably his big ass calves.[/quote]
i just get fixated on his traps
^wut abt his hawt abz?
[quote]hangclean wrote:
conorh wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Shoulders are still more functional in PLing than biceps.
Biceps don’t do shit except look cool. Unfortunately looking cool is very necessary.
Biceps are important for bench pressing to stabalize the weight. [/quote]
I don’t see how.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
elano wrote:
I’m with Modi, why not spend the last 10 minutes of a training day or two per week hitting the muscles that don’t get much attention from basic lifts? Bicepts and calvfs, no need to train them like a bodybuilder but hell just throw in some preachers once or twice a week.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=95738&tid=126
Calves, you say
umm we all like a top less shot of matt now and then but what was the relevance?
Probably his big ass calves.
i just get fixated on his traps[/quote]
no shit. those traps are an inspiration.
i do some reverse curls at the end of my upper days. big arms are good! and just because plenty of tools do curls doesn’t mean you’re a tool if you curl.
I don’t even have bicepts, so imagine the grief I catch on it
[quote]Invictica wrote:
But I wasn’t referring to super heavies.
Look, If you’re a strength enthusiast just looking to get a little strong, I can see where you’re coming from. Bicep training is definetly okay. But if you’re a serious competitor, trying to put up a qualifying totals, be it at the state or national level, bicep training has no place in your program. Why put 3lbs in your biceps when you can put it on your back and legs? Even if its small, it will help your lifts. Besides the weight issue, you’re wasting time and energy that could be used to tune your form.
This is speaking strictly from an O-Lifting point of view. I don’t know anything about powerlifting and biceps.
[/quote]
First of all, this thread is about biceps in powerlifting, no one said anything about oly. lifting until you showed up and decided we all needed to hear your unrelated opinion.
Second of all, do you HONESTLY think doing 3 sets of curls at the end of one workout a week is going to land you with a shit ton of extra mass on your arms? Seriously? I have my doubts that those worried about being competitive in a weight class are even at the level where they need to be worried about anything other than just being competitive at all.
From a powerlifting standpoint, I would argue that at least SOME bicep training is necessary at some point. I noticed that when I stopped doing any sort of direct biceps training, I wound up with severe tendinitis in my biceps, shoulders, and elbows. This went away when I started doing a few sets of curls a week again. I also noticed that my bench went up and some of the stability issues I was having got better. I’m not the only one to comment on this, as I have heard similar things from guys benching twice what I do.
Slattimer (900 lb bencher on this site) has made several comments about how torn up his elbows are from years of no direct bicep work.
If you don’t train biceps because you honestly don’t feel like you need to from your experience, then that’s fine. If you don’t train them because you think it’s cool and super hardcore to ignore specific muscles, then that’s a different story.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Invictica wrote:
But I wasn’t referring to super heavies.
Look, If you’re a strength enthusiast just looking to get a little strong, I can see where you’re coming from. Bicep training is definetly okay. But if you’re a serious competitor, trying to put up a qualifying totals, be it at the state or national level, bicep training has no place in your program. Why put 3lbs in your biceps when you can put it on your back and legs? Even if its small, it will help your lifts. Besides the weight issue, you’re wasting time and energy that could be used to tune your form.
This is speaking strictly from an O-Lifting point of view. I don’t know anything about powerlifting and biceps.
First of all, this thread is about biceps in powerlifting, no one said anything about oly. lifting until you showed up and decided we all needed to hear your unrelated opinion.
Second of all, do you HONESTLY think doing 3 sets of curls at the end of one workout a week is going to land you with a shit ton of extra mass on your arms? Seriously? I have my doubts that those worried about being competitive in a weight class are even at the level where they need to be worried about anything other than just being competitive at all.
From a powerlifting standpoint, I would argue that at least SOME bicep training is necessary at some point. I noticed that when I stopped doing any sort of direct biceps training, I wound up with severe tendinitis in my biceps, shoulders, and elbows. This went away when I started doing a few sets of curls a week again. I also noticed that my bench went up and some of the stability issues I was having got better. I’m not the only one to comment on this, as I have heard similar things from guys benching twice what I do.
Slattimer (900 lb bencher on this site) has made several comments about how torn up his elbows are from years of no direct bicep work.
If you don’t train biceps because you honestly don’t feel like you need to from your experience, then that’s fine. If you don’t train them because you think it’s cool and super hardcore to ignore specific muscles, then that’s a different story.[/quote]
I actually agree with this. My elbows definitely get jacked up when I avoid bi’s completely. But I still contend that bi’s aren’t directly necessary for PLing. I mean, how much bi’s do you really need to hold a deadlift.
TYPE2 Boogie made me laugh.
I think our OP was having a little bitch sesh. Getting his cry on for a minute. Where he went wrong was not doing a spell check, but deciding instead to click submit.
I’ve typed out about a dozen or so rants but never end up posting them, because during the writing process I’m able to wrap my head around the issue and deal. I think that comes with experience and maturity. Still though, I’m 34 and still have “Hmmmph, well fuck them!” moments once a month or so.
OP if you haven’t ran off, we’ve all been there in some fashion or another. Keep your head down and play your own game, everyone elses don’t matter at all.
[quote]conorh wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Invictica wrote:
But I wasn’t referring to super heavies.
Look, If you’re a strength enthusiast just looking to get a little strong, I can see where you’re coming from. Bicep training is definetly okay. But if you’re a serious competitor, trying to put up a qualifying totals, be it at the state or national level, bicep training has no place in your program. Why put 3lbs in your biceps when you can put it on your back and legs? Even if its small, it will help your lifts. Besides the weight issue, you’re wasting time and energy that could be used to tune your form.
This is speaking strictly from an O-Lifting point of view. I don’t know anything about powerlifting and biceps.
First of all, this thread is about biceps in powerlifting, no one said anything about oly. lifting until you showed up and decided we all needed to hear your unrelated opinion.
Second of all, do you HONESTLY think doing 3 sets of curls at the end of one workout a week is going to land you with a shit ton of extra mass on your arms? Seriously? I have my doubts that those worried about being competitive in a weight class are even at the level where they need to be worried about anything other than just being competitive at all.
From a powerlifting standpoint, I would argue that at least SOME bicep training is necessary at some point. I noticed that when I stopped doing any sort of direct biceps training, I wound up with severe tendinitis in my biceps, shoulders, and elbows. This went away when I started doing a few sets of curls a week again. I also noticed that my bench went up and some of the stability issues I was having got better. I’m not the only one to comment on this, as I have heard similar things from guys benching twice what I do.
Slattimer (900 lb bencher on this site) has made several comments about how torn up his elbows are from years of no direct bicep work.
If you don’t train biceps because you honestly don’t feel like you need to from your experience, then that’s fine. If you don’t train them because you think it’s cool and super hardcore to ignore specific muscles, then that’s a different story.
I actually agree with this. My elbows definitely get jacked up when I avoid bi’s completely. But I still contend that bi’s aren’t directly necessary for PLing. I mean, how much bi’s do you really need to hold a deadlift.[/quote]
You are right about not being helpful for the deadlift. THey are absolutely necessary for the bench though. Ask anyone who benches big in a shirt and they will tell you that they do hammer curls at least. THe more meat on your arms the better off you will be for shirted benching. I dont know the exact reasons for it but I can tell you that when I slack on my bicep work my bench suffers.
if youre pulling mixed, im sure they have something to do with the deadlift.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if youre pulling mixed, im sure they have something to do with the deadlift.[/quote]
To be honest, too much bicep work can increase the risk of a bicep tear while deadlifting with a mixed grip. The only reason to train biceps for powerlifting is the bench press.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Invictica wrote:
But I wasn’t referring to super heavies.
Look, If you’re a strength enthusiast just looking to get a little strong, I can see where you’re coming from. Bicep training is definetly okay. But if you’re a serious competitor, trying to put up a qualifying totals, be it at the state or national level, bicep training has no place in your program. Why put 3lbs in your biceps when you can put it on your back and legs? Even if its small, it will help your lifts. Besides the weight issue, you’re wasting time and energy that could be used to tune your form.
This is speaking strictly from an O-Lifting point of view. I don’t know anything about powerlifting and biceps.
First of all, this thread is about biceps in powerlifting, no one said anything about oly. lifting until you showed up and decided we all needed to hear your unrelated opinion.
Second of all, do you HONESTLY think doing 3 sets of curls at the end of one workout a week is going to land you with a shit ton of extra mass on your arms? Seriously? I have my doubts that those worried about being competitive in a weight class are even at the level where they need to be worried about anything other than just being competitive at all.
From a powerlifting standpoint, I would argue that at least SOME bicep training is necessary at some point. I noticed that when I stopped doing any sort of direct biceps training, I wound up with severe tendinitis in my biceps, shoulders, and elbows. This went away when I started doing a few sets of curls a week again. I also noticed that my bench went up and some of the stability issues I was having got better. I’m not the only one to comment on this, as I have heard similar things from guys benching twice what I do.
Slattimer (900 lb bencher on this site) has made several comments about how torn up his elbows are from years of no direct bicep work.
If you don’t train biceps because you honestly don’t feel like you need to from your experience, then that’s fine. If you don’t train them because you think it’s cool and super hardcore to ignore specific muscles, then that’s a different story.[/quote]
Everybody in here is entitled to express their opinions… If not, then the almighty moderators would’ve banned me… They are generous enough to spare me. Thanks Mod Brian, Mod Starr, and Chris Shugart!
naw i aint like him, im not a thread wh.o.r.e but i just wanted to know who does this cuz my arms are abnormally small,
and btw i have a decent bench too, i just ranted cuzi was mad at the time
DONT COMPARE ME TO TYPE2B cuz i only post threads when i have a question
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
First of all, this thread is about biceps in powerlifting, no one said anything about oly. lifting until you showed up and decided we all needed to hear your unrelated opinion.[/quote]
That’s why I stated, I was referring to olympic lifting. I know I was deviating from the topic but LFT187 said excluding any bicep training is dumb. But there are cases or sports where including it makes no sense. If he said excluding bicep training is dumb in powerlifting, then I retract my statement
To be fair ,okay, its not a big deal. But if its not going to help you in your respective sport, why do it? Waste of time, energy, resources, and its simply not a logical step. It’s like sharpening a knife for a gun fight. It might help but you have bigger concerns.
[quote]From a powerlifting standpoint, I would argue that at least SOME bicep training is necessary at some point. I noticed that when I stopped doing any sort of direct biceps training, I wound up with severe tendinitis in my biceps, shoulders, and elbows. This went away when I started doing a few sets of curls a week again. I also noticed that my bench went up and some of the stability issues I was having got better. I’m not the only one to comment on this, as I have heard similar things from guys benching twice what I do.
Slattimer (900 lb bencher on this site) has made several comments about how torn up his elbows are from years of no direct bicep work.[/quote]
That’s good to know, I was not aware. If I ever get into powerlifting I will remember this.
I never said it was cool and super hardcore to ignore specific muscle. An individual said excluding bicep training is dumb. I was merely presenting a case where its actually intelligent to leave it out.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
VikingsAD28 wrote:
Wilba wrote:
He seems like a young guy with sort of the right idea looking for acceptance. Maybe we could cut him some slack?
I agree, he is kinda getting hammered on this thread.
awell sure he’ll never squat 1000 or have 20inch arms soo /thread[/quote]
hey bud im not even 17 and ive got 400 in just briefs and a belt, so why dont you get the hell out of thes thread…