Arg I typed out a whole post but it didnt go through.
Anyway, Hello guys
I am creating this thread to recieve some feedback from people who have used DAA during PCT, while shutdown.
I understand there is a thread on DAA over in the supplements section, I have read through it however I think this situation is slightly different. That thread mainly consists of natural weight lifters, not hypogonadal men.
My main aim is to learn your experiences with DAA, maybe with blood test results before and after?
Did it help libido, mood and energy?
I read that BBB had a friend who increased his free test by 40%, that seems very promising but I dont know if he was natural or enhanced. If DAA could yield this sort of increase in a man with HPTA shutdown, then I would be in luck :).
It must be noted, I feel I am shutdown from my previous cycle so this must be considered in assessing my results. I am not suggesting that DAA will initiate a HPTA restart, but I am wondering if it may boost the hormonal synthesis in the testes as it has been shown to in some journals.
I read a journal on rats, 2mM was injected and they saw an increase in free test from 5nmol/l to 18. Also LH and FSH so huge increases also.
So what I am asking is, what are your results using DAA during PCT?
As always, I will be conducting this study on myself also with blood results before and after. I am getting a blood test done this week (prior to DAA supplementation) and will do a follow-up test around 4-5 weeks from now.
i can only give you what i felt while using DAA. I dont have any bloodwork to back it up but i can tlll you that I wont post cycle without it. I always feel like shit after pct. I just dont recover well from anything longer than 8 week cycles. I was about 1 week out of pct when a friend mentioned DAA. I was intrigued and did a little research. I was feeling back to my old self within 3 days of 3g daily. Libido and mood were up . Good stuff in my book. Will probably start it 2nd week of pct going forward. hope this helps
[quote]bchrisen wrote:
i can only give you what i felt while using DAA. I dont have any bloodwork to back it up but i can tlll you that I wont post cycle without it. I always feel like shit after pct. I just dont recover well from anything longer than 8 week cycles. I was about 1 week out of pct when a friend mentioned DAA. I was intrigued and did a little research. I was feeling back to my old self within 3 days of 3g daily. Libido and mood were up . Good stuff in my book. Will probably start it 2nd week of pct going forward. hope this helps[/quote]
Thank you for your post. It was actually your post in another thread that made me look into DAA and I liked what I found. In most cases DAA has helped the majority of users, I posted it here as we are AAS-enhanced and the results may differ. However, your experience seems very promising.
I also have a hard time recovering post-cycle, my last cycle of tren I was shutdown for almost a year. I feel like a zombie post-cycle, energy is down the drain, libido is non-existant and I get bouts of depression. I have tried Triptorelin (research chem) which did nothing for HPTA restart, only when I used hCG (yes in PCT) did I see an improvement.
However lets see how this goes. All experiences are welcome wether it be with or without blood results.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I also have a hard time recovering post-cycle, my last cycle of tren I was shutdown for almost a year.[/quote]
Holy shit. If you don’t mind my asking, why on earth are you cycling at all? I can’t imagine you can keep much in the way of gains if you’re shut down that long post-cycle. Seems like you would either need to blast and cruise or just quit using AAS altogether.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I also have a hard time recovering post-cycle, my last cycle of tren I was shutdown for almost a year.[/quote]
Holy shit. If you don’t mind my asking, why on earth are you cycling at all? I can’t imagine you can keep much in the way of gains if you’re shut down that long post-cycle. Seems like you would either need to blast and cruise or just quit using AAS altogether.[/quote]
I seemed to arrive at the conclusion that it was not tren ace in those vials but may have been Deca, thats the only explanation I could think of to explain such a long shutdown. To be honest I keep most of my gains post-cycle even if im shut down hard, I just feel like shit. I also keep 90% of my strength post-cycle.
My last cycle was a 6-week prop cycle, and it has taken me slightly over 8 weeks to recover, I feel I am now getting into the flow of normality.
I am going to look into two-weeker’s from now on, but that wont be until august after a very long break in the USA
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
There was a lot of crap going around a few years back, a little closer to the Beijing games. Tren is a harder synthesis, so yeah, other short estered compounds were being often substituted in whole or in part by our friends in China.
OP, I’ve used DAA after my last few cycles. I don’t like jumping on it right away though; I wait until I’ve done 4 weeks of SERM before adding it in (and I usually go 7 weeks with SERM(s). I may be wrong but intuitively it seems like it makes more sense to largely re-establish the HPTA and start to normalize via standard mechanisms before adding in a compound to boost test. But then, I’m definitely on the ultra-cautious side when it comes to recovery.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
There was a lot of crap going around a few years back, a little closer to the Beijing games. Tren is a harder synthesis, so yeah, other short estered compounds were being often substituted in whole or in part by our friends in China.
OP, I’ve used DAA after my last few cycles. I don’t like jumping on it right away though; I wait until I’ve done 4 weeks of SERM before adding it in (and I usually go 7 weeks with SERM(s). I may be wrong but intuitively it seems like it makes more sense to largely re-establish the HPTA and start to normalize via standard mechanisms before adding in a compound to boost test. But then, I’m definitely on the ultra-cautious side when it comes to recovery.
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I really should have clarified lol. Alot of Tren Ace is faked, but certainly not with deca or other long acting esters. Also if I understand correctly, in many cases Nandrolone is more expensive.
I blame my derp on the Tren. Its freezing outside and I’m drenched
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
Im near enough certain this tren was faked. It was made by a UK-based lab (which I had used around 2 years prior to this had been excellent) and there was a rumour going around that there were fakes going around.
Either it was indeed fake, or tren ace shut me down for a year, which I dont think is likely.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
There was a lot of crap going around a few years back, a little closer to the Beijing games. Tren is a harder synthesis, so yeah, other short estered compounds were being often substituted in whole or in part by our friends in China.
OP, I’ve used DAA after my last few cycles. I don’t like jumping on it right away though; I wait until I’ve done 4 weeks of SERM before adding it in (and I usually go 7 weeks with SERM(s). I may be wrong but intuitively it seems like it makes more sense to largely re-establish the HPTA and start to normalize via standard mechanisms before adding in a compound to boost test. But then, I’m definitely on the ultra-cautious side when it comes to recovery.
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Interesting, I think I am using the DAA around the right time now then. You didnt mention if/how it helped you though? How did you feel while taking it?
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
There was a lot of crap going around a few years back, a little closer to the Beijing games. Tren is a harder synthesis, so yeah, other short estered compounds were being often substituted in whole or in part by our friends in China.
OP, I’ve used DAA after my last few cycles. I don’t like jumping on it right away though; I wait until I’ve done 4 weeks of SERM before adding it in (and I usually go 7 weeks with SERM(s). I may be wrong but intuitively it seems like it makes more sense to largely re-establish the HPTA and start to normalize via standard mechanisms before adding in a compound to boost test. But then, I’m definitely on the ultra-cautious side when it comes to recovery.
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Interesting, I think I am using the DAA around the right time now then. You didnt mention if/how it helped you though? How did you feel while taking it?[/quote]
It’s extremely subjective obviously but yeah, it definitely helps a bit. Weight seems pretty steady, libido and overall mental well-being (i.e. my ability to deal with things under extremely stressful conditions) both seem to hit a stable point without any of those little dips that otherwise might pop up post PCT. Incidentally, I always get two or three small zits on my arms when I start DAA, which is a little odd because I rarely get acne on cycle (a little post-cycle).
I run peps and various other things too, so I can’t claim to be that scientific in determining the effect of any one compound.
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
I don’t think Tren Ace is commonly faked, considering you can ‘feel it’ within hours. Especially to swap it with Deca, that would be commercial suicide for a UGL. [/quote]
There was a lot of crap going around a few years back, a little closer to the Beijing games. Tren is a harder synthesis, so yeah, other short estered compounds were being often substituted in whole or in part by our friends in China.
OP, I’ve used DAA after my last few cycles. I don’t like jumping on it right away though; I wait until I’ve done 4 weeks of SERM before adding it in (and I usually go 7 weeks with SERM(s). I may be wrong but intuitively it seems like it makes more sense to largely re-establish the HPTA and start to normalize via standard mechanisms before adding in a compound to boost test. But then, I’m definitely on the ultra-cautious side when it comes to recovery.
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Interesting, I think I am using the DAA around the right time now then. You didnt mention if/how it helped you though? How did you feel while taking it?[/quote]
It’s extremely subjective obviously but yeah, it definitely helps a bit. Weight seems pretty steady, libido and overall mental well-being (i.e. my ability to deal with things under extremely stressful conditions) both seem to hit a stable point without any of those little dips that otherwise might pop up post PCT. Incidentally, I always get two or three small zits on my arms when I start DAA, which is a little odd because I rarely get acne on cycle (a little post-cycle).
I run peps and various other things too, so I can’t claim to be that scientific in determining the effect of any one compound.[/quote]
Seems promising. What dose was you using? And did you dose it on an empty-stomach?
I had bloods done today and will commence the DAA and low-dose AI from today.
[quote]jared530 wrote:
I go the peptides route for PCT gains. But my partner ran DAA during his last PCT and said he couldn’t tell if it helped much. [/quote]
Yeah I would go the peptides route also but the only peptide available to me is HGH which is also very expensive for the dose I have to run it to see gains.
[quote]jared530 wrote:
I go the peptides route for PCT gains. But my partner ran DAA during his last PCT and said he couldn’t tell if it helped much. [/quote]
Yeah I would go the peptides route also but the only peptide available to me is HGH which is also very expensive for the dose I have to run it to see gains. [/quote]
None of the US peptide companies ship outside of the US?
[quote]jared530 wrote:
I go the peptides route for PCT gains. But my partner ran DAA during his last PCT and said he couldn’t tell if it helped much. [/quote]
Yeah I would go the peptides route also but the only peptide available to me is HGH which is also very expensive for the dose I have to run it to see gains. [/quote]
None of the US peptide companies ship outside of the US?[/quote]
I dont know. PM me your online source? Im weary of research chem sites so I havent bothered thus far.
