D-Aspartic Acid

Ok ladies results are in as promised!

I’ll put up my previous blood test results first which was on 2nd February 2012 (02/02/2012):

Test 4.29 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 4.9 (1.2 - 8.6)
FSH 4.2 (0.0 - 19.0)
Oestradiol 87 (73 - 275)

Newest blood results done on 17th March 2012 (17/03/2012):

Test 19.83 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 5.0 (1.2 - 8.6)
Oestradiol 121 (73 - 275)

Ok so all these results are PRIOR to DAA use. Im basically up and running thanks to those blasts of hCG that everyone here was against.
My test levels are at an all time high (highest previously were 14.4 (6.1 - 27.1)). In all honesty I dont even need to use the DAA but I will anyway for experiments sake.

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Ok ladies results are in as promised!

I’ll put up my previous blood test results first which was on 2nd February 2012 (02/02/2012):

Test 4.29 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 4.9 (1.2 - 8.6)
FSH 4.2 (0.0 - 19.0)
Oestradiol 87 (73 - 275)

Newest blood results done on 17th March 2012 (17/03/2012):

Test 19.83 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 5.0 (1.2 - 8.6)
Oestradiol 121 (73 - 275)

Ok so all these results are PRIOR to DAA use. Im basically up and running thanks to those blasts of hCG that everyone here was against.
My test levels are at an all time high (highest previously were 14.4 (6.1 - 27.1)). In all honesty I dont even need to use the DAA but I will anyway for experiments sake.[/quote]

Congrats man, I told you you’d be fine if you waited it out. And remember, the 300iu per day run of HCG is safer for your nuts than the blasts. Take some time off now, a good few months at least and from now on I would seriously consider running two weekers if you even cycle at all. Dont get tempted lol

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Ok ladies results are in as promised!

I’ll put up my previous blood test results first which was on 2nd February 2012 (02/02/2012):

Test 4.29 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 4.9 (1.2 - 8.6)
FSH 4.2 (0.0 - 19.0)
Oestradiol 87 (73 - 275)

Newest blood results done on 17th March 2012 (17/03/2012):

Test 19.83 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 5.0 (1.2 - 8.6)
Oestradiol 121 (73 - 275)

Ok so all these results are PRIOR to DAA use. Im basically up and running thanks to those blasts of hCG that everyone here was against.
My test levels are at an all time high (highest previously were 14.4 (6.1 - 27.1)). In all honesty I dont even need to use the DAA but I will anyway for experiments sake.[/quote]

Congrats man, I told you you’d be fine if you waited it out. And remember, the 300iu per day run of HCG is safer for your nuts than the blasts. Take some time off now, a good few months at least and from now on I would seriously consider running two weekers if you even cycle at all. Dont get tempted lol
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Yep thanks MG, you was one of the few that actually supported the hCG run (although not at my doses lol).
Yes I am definetly going to consider the 2-weekers from now on. I have 2-month holiday booked in the states straight after my exams and when I get back in July I might think about a cycle.

As for an update for the DAA, I am taking 3g in the morning (after a protein shake).

So far, I have had alot of flatulance and gas however im not 100% certain I can relate this to the DAA use.

  • Libido = Through the roof, I must say its crazy!
  • Acne = None
  • Lethargy = I am getting severe lethargy around midday, however this started BEFORE DAA supplementation. I thought it may be related to low T, but my bloods show no low T so I have no idea why this is.
  • Muscle profile = I am growing like a weed, however this is due to synergistic effect of hormonal homeostasis and getting my diet in check (first time ever). Muscles are extremely vascular, veins are thick. Pumps are Dbol-esque, and quite painful (bicep especially).

Current weight = ~190lbs, 8-9% BF

How tall are you? You look a lot bigger than 190 in your avatar… As a PLer, I might just not be used to seeing people under 10% bf.

Lethargy and gas could be diet related - not sure what getting your diet in check entails. Is DAA usually taken in one big dose in the morning? Could the lethargy be related to that?

[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
How tall are you? You look a lot bigger than 190 in your avatar… As a PLer, I might just not be used to seeing people under 10% bf.

Lethargy and gas could be diet related - not sure what getting your diet in check entails. Is DAA usually taken in one big dose in the morning? Could the lethargy be related to that?[/quote]

I usually float above 200lbs below 10% BF but due to medical school and dissertation stress I was not able to train or eat. On my cycle of tren I pushed that up to 220ish at ~9% BF.
Previously I just ate whatever I wanted to as my metabolism allowed but kept protein high. But now I have cleaned my diet and am eating consistently and consuming carbs only at breakfast and post-workout.
As I mentioned, the lethargy I had PRIOR to DAA use, thats why I am lost as to the explanation of what could be the cause.
I am around ~5’9/10. Yes everywhere I have read the DAA was taken in the morning as a 3g dose preferablly on an empty stomach.
I must add I am also using USN’s Muscle Fuel Anabolic twice a day, may not be relevant but just thought I’d throw that out there.
Lets see how the weight increases/decreases with DAA use.

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
As I mentioned, the lethargy I had PRIOR to DAA use, thats why I am lost as to the explanation of what could be the cause.
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I missed that, my bad. If it started when you started cleaning up your diet, maybe you just need some carbs at lunch?

[quote]hockeysledder wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
As I mentioned, the lethargy I had PRIOR to DAA use, thats why I am lost as to the explanation of what could be the cause.
[/quote]

I missed that, my bad. If it started when you started cleaning up your diet, maybe you just need some carbs at lunch?[/quote]

Good analysis. Might give that a go, some slow digesting carbs at lunch.

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
As for an update for the DAA, I am taking 3g in the morning (after a protein shake).

So far, I have had alot of flatulance and gas however im not 100% certain I can relate this to the DAA use.

  • Libido = Through the roof, I must say its crazy!
  • Acne = None
  • Lethargy = I am getting severe lethargy around midday, however this started BEFORE DAA supplementation. I thought it may be related to low T, but my bloods show no low T so I have no idea why this is.
  • Muscle profile = I am growing like a weed, however this is due to synergistic effect of hormonal homeostasis and getting my diet in check (first time ever). Muscles are extremely vascular, veins are thick. Pumps are Dbol-esque, and quite painful (bicep especially).

Current weight = ~190lbs, 8-9% BF[/quote]

Lethargy and flatulence could be a sign of liver toxicity. SERMS unfortunately are liver toxic although not as bad as methylated gear. They also take ages to get out of your system.

Ive been thinking about your cycle and there must be a reason you’re suffering so badly with recovery. It could be just your body makeup, or it could be to do with your cycle. Test can be really suppressive if your estrogen levels get out of whack. I know you took arimidex, but I generally find that the doses commonly used are really not enough to get estrogen under control, especially with high amounts of aromatising gear. And having wild estrogen levels doesnt necessarily give you gyno or obvious side effects in everyone, there are plenty of people who have used high doses of aromatising gear for years with no AI.

Next time I would use letrozole and up the dose till you are dry as a bone then back off from there to get it right, or since your probably going to do two weekers you might be fine with being dry, although it can affect your mood and also your libido thats not a huge problem if you’re on for two weeks.

You know youve done something right though to have higher libido after a cycle than before lol

Flatchelance and lethargy are more likely side effects of a dairy or lactose issue than DAA. Just a thought, could switch to whey isolate from concentrate (if you havn’t already) and cut out other dairy. Had the exact same Issues and these steps fixed it for me 100%

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
As for an update for the DAA, I am taking 3g in the morning (after a protein shake).

So far, I have had alot of flatulance and gas however im not 100% certain I can relate this to the DAA use.

  • Libido = Through the roof, I must say its crazy!
  • Acne = None
  • Lethargy = I am getting severe lethargy around midday, however this started BEFORE DAA supplementation. I thought it may be related to low T, but my bloods show no low T so I have no idea why this is.
  • Muscle profile = I am growing like a weed, however this is due to synergistic effect of hormonal homeostasis and getting my diet in check (first time ever). Muscles are extremely vascular, veins are thick. Pumps are Dbol-esque, and quite painful (bicep especially).

Current weight = ~190lbs, 8-9% BF[/quote]

Lethargy and flatulence could be a sign of liver toxicity. SERMS unfortunately are liver toxic although not as bad as methylated gear. They also take ages to get out of your system.

Ive been thinking about your cycle and there must be a reason you’re suffering so badly with recovery. It could be just your body makeup, or it could be to do with your cycle. Test can be really suppressive if your estrogen levels get out of whack. I know you took arimidex, but I generally find that the doses commonly used are really not enough to get estrogen under control, especially with high amounts of aromatising gear. And having wild estrogen levels doesnt necessarily give you gyno or obvious side effects in everyone, there are plenty of people who have used high doses of aromatising gear for years with no AI.

Next time I would use letrozole and up the dose till you are dry as a bone then back off from there to get it right, or since your probably going to do two weekers you might be fine with being dry, although it can affect your mood and also your libido thats not a huge problem if you’re on for two weeks.

You know youve done something right though to have higher libido after a cycle than before lol[/quote]

Very very interesting points made. First off I would like to thank you for taking the time to analyse my situation, much appreciated.

Ok in regards to the aromatising gear, I feel I am an over-responder to adex. Previously I took 0.5mg EOD, but I could not stand the joint pain, it was excruciating. My shoulders were literally grinding, so I cut the dose down to .25mg EOD and the pain dissipated. However I must mention I did not feel ‘juiced’ so to speak. I didnt feel the Alpha Male, I did feel excellent no doubt about that but just not as good as previous cycles.
So I think your point may have a good base. I will definetly try the letro, I have pharm-grade access to AI’s anyway so im good to go.

In regards to liver toxicity, yes I have been going hard on the SERM’s but I ceased SERM usage around 3 weeks ago. So yeah I think it could be due to the SERM use. Any advice to rectify this?

[quote]putter2712 wrote:
Flatchelance and lethargy are more likely side effects of a dairy or lactose issue than DAA. Just a thought, could switch to whey isolate from concentrate (if you havn’t already) and cut out other dairy. Had the exact same Issues and these steps fixed it for me 100%[/quote]

You are right in that dairy or lactose intolerance can cause stomach discomfort, however this is not the case with me as I have not upped my dairy intake recently. I also use whey isolate, have been for some time now as like you I get bloat and discomfort from regular whey.

I just found this post while searching for another thread but wanted to comment.

I don’t use aas but tried daa. It gave me the shits, made my nipples sensitive and tingly and dropped my libido. I noticed water retention, less energy and would not recommend it.

I didn’t have blood work done and may be prone to aromatization but I didn’t like it.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I just found this post while searching for another thread but wanted to comment.

I don’t use aas but tried daa. It gave me the shits, made my nipples sensitive and tingly and dropped my libido. I noticed water retention, less energy and would not recommend it.

I didn’t have blood work done and may be prone to aromatization but I didn’t like it.[/quote]

The puffy nips and low libido tells me the DAA did in fact work. However your body just aromatised higher, I however have the advantage of a low dose AI to avoid this aromatisation. What did you dose it at?

Just a quick update.
Libido is through the roof! I mean like cycle-esque. Rapist level JK lol.
Alpha Male characteristics showing through, dominancy, positive-thinking etc.
Energy is getting better, putting lean weight on aswell. Bodyfat maybe tiny bit up maybe due to the caloric surplus.
Maybe a bit of puffy nips as I have discontinued the adex (to get fair blood test results). But maybe this is just me being paranoid :slight_smile:

Zinc zinc zinc zinc

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Zinc zinc zinc zinc [/quote]

Holy moly! I forgot.
Will grab some tomorrow :slight_smile:

Lower estrogen, inhibit aromatase and A5R, and increase Test. Throw in some GHRP + GHRH and your ‘on’ for pennies a day.

:smiley:
-PTD

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Lower estrogen, inhibit aromatase and A5R, and increase Test. Throw in some GHRP + GHRH and your ‘on’ for pennies a day.

:smiley:
-PTD [/quote]

GHRP-6? Research chem sites good-to-go? My supplier does not carry GHRP.
Does GHRP interact with lactotrophs?
Completely topic unrelated, but anyone noticed how many more women they pull while on-cycle? Makes me chuckle, then I get blown :slight_smile: lol

SB

GH can cause lactogenic gyno, but I believe it is rare.

I would use a new supplier, my RC site’s triptorelin made my balls blow up overnight and I had a positively cheery pct. I assume your site underdoses or is a fraudulent supplier.

And yes, I totally agree, I have a dedicated GF who is the absolute best when it comes to AAS (she’s a biochem major going into pharma school: free bloods whenever I want haha), that being said, on St. Patty’s day I was out in just a white v-neck cotton shirt and I seriously had 4 girls throw themselves at me between 9:30pm and 2:00am, it was almost comical. I seriously wasn’t even trying and I dropped the ‘GF’ card within the first few minutes of meeting these girls, none of whom I previously knew. I find I maintain intense eye contact when on Androgens, as compared to ‘beta-interval-eye-contact’ when I’m off, and (BRO-SCIENCE ALERT:) I swear to god they can smell the Androgens on me, I truly believe that, but can’t prove it whatsoever.

Topic somewhat related.
/rant

-PTD